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| CIA-48 | chrism * r115601 /zope.i18nmessageid/branches/jython-compat: create branch | 06:55 |
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| CIA-48 | chrism * r115602 /zope.i18nmessageid/branches/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 08:06 |
| CIA-48 | 3.5.3 (unreleased) | 08:06 |
| CIA-48 | ------------------ | 08:06 |
| CIA-48 | - Made compilation of C extension optional again; 3.5.1 broke this | 08:06 |
| CIA-48 | inasmuch as this package become unusable on non-CPython platforms. | 08:06 |
| CIA-48 | Making the compilation of the C extension optional again implied | 08:06 |
| CIA-48 | removing ``setup.py`` code added in 3.5.1 which made the C extension | 08:06 |
| CIA-48 | chrism * r115603 zope.i18nmessageid/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Merge svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.i18nmessageid/branches/jython-compat to trunk. | 08:06 |
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| CIA-48 | chrism * r115604 zope.i18nmessageid/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): prep for 3.5.3 | 08:18 |
| CIA-48 | chrism * r115605 /zope.i18nmessageid/tags/3.5.3: tag 3.5.3 | 08:18 |
| CIA-48 | andreasjung * r115606 plonetheme.zope2/plonetheme/zope2/skins/plonetheme_zope2_custom_images/logo_calendar.gif: updated | 08:18 |
| CIA-48 | chrism * r115607 zope.i18nmessageid/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): back to dev | 08:18 |
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| planetzopebot | zope.i18nmessageid 3.5.3 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.i18nmessageid/3.5.3 | 09:34 |
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| planetzopebot | z3c.objectpolicy 0.1 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/z3c.objectpolicy/0.1 | 10:04 |
| CIA-94 | icemac * r115614 z3c.pdftemplate/ (4 files in 2 dirs): | 10:06 |
| CIA-94 | - Added missing install dependencies and test dependencies. | 10:06 |
| CIA-94 | - Fixed tests to run with current package versions. | 10:06 |
| CIA-94 | icemac * r115615 z3c.pdftemplate/ (src/z3c/pdftemplate/tests.py CHANGES.txt): - Using python's `doctest` module instead of the deprecated `zope.testing.doctest`. | 10:06 |
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| CIA-94 | chrisw * r115616 Zope/src/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py: restore ability to set sockname from command line | 10:19 |
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| mr_jolly | dx | 10:28 |
| kleist | i've got a .db file which works fine with zodb 3.9.4, but with 3.9.5 i get POSKeyError http://pastie.org/1083315 | 10:29 |
| kleist | ... is this a known and common problem? | 10:29 |
| kleist | ... fstest.py and fsrefs.py report no errors | 10:30 |
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| planetzopebot | Plomino 1.7.2 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Plomino/1.7.2 | 13:04 |
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| planetzopebot | dm.zope.mockup 0.1 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/dm.zope.mockup/0.1 | 14:04 |
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| baijum | Just posted a question to list: https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2010-August/175909.html Any idea ? | 14:57 |
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| _mup_ | Bug #615821 was filed: Turn package documentation into Sphinx style <zope.annotation:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/615821> | 15:14 |
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| CIA-94 | ctheune * r115617 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/ (zope-dev-20100810.rst index.rst): prepare today's meeting | 15:31 |
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| CIA-94 | baijum * r115618 bluebream/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added empty overrides.zcml - show best practices to developers | 17:01 |
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| Charlie_X | Theuni1: agenda URL isn't working | 17:57 |
| Theuni1 | booh! | 17:57 |
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| agroszer | I guess the cronjob or whatever is dead | 17:58 |
| Theuni1 | looks like the documentation wasn't updated | 17:58 |
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| Theuni1 | well, i'm here :) | 18:00 |
| Theuni1 | here's the raw data | 18:00 |
| Theuni1 | http://svn.zope.org/zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100810.rst?rev=115617&view=auto | 18:00 |
| * Charlie_X is here | 18:01 | |
| Theuni1 | first topic as requested by Charlie_X is summit/dzug conference | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | you wanted to get an update. anything specific you're looking for? | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | there's http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/ZopeSummit2010 with some information. and unfortunately Lennart won't be able to make it due to his work load. | 18:02 |
| Charlie_X | I think it's a bit low on publicity - no link from pycon.org, no announce from there either. | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | Are you talking about the DZUG conference or the summit? | 18:02 |
| Charlie_X | Conference, primarily. Looks like a good set of talks. Still looking for more. | 18:02 |
| Charlie_X | ? | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | nope | 18:03 |
| Theuni1 | talks are fixed | 18:03 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: do you have an influence on getting a link on pycon.org? | 18:03 |
| Charlie_X | Never tried. Shouldn't be too hard. If I can't get it done MAL certainly can. | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | well, make it so ;) | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | i can write a message to the list | 18:04 |
| * Charlie_X slaps head | 18:04 | |
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| Charlie_X | Can you do an English announce to python-announce, europython? I can definitely get that on the pycon mailing list. | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | yeah | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | i also have the conferences@python.org on my radar | 18:06 |
| Charlie_X | Everything is in German, n'est ce pasß | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | s/ß/? | 18:07 |
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| agroszer | is it? | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | So for anyone who hasn't seen the list of talks yet, it's here: http://www.zope.de/tagung/Dresden_2010/programm | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | No, not everything. | 18:07 |
| agroszer | I guessed like Gary would speak english | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | There's Gary Poster, MatthewWilkes, Vincent Pelletier, Martijn Jacobs. | 18:07 |
| agroszer | would help a bit to indicate there on the page | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | There will definitely be a lot of German in General. But a few are in English, too. | 18:08 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, are you prepared to record everything? | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: it's basically all people who don't have German names. | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: no, too much effort for us to get a reasonable result. | 18:08 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, ehhhh that's a bit implicit knowledge | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | we'll try to get all slides, though | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: ;) | 18:08 |
| agroszer | well, at least the slides | 18:09 |
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| MatthewWilkes | Theuni1: I could listen to philiKON, witsch and tomster and Germanicise my name to confuse things further? :) | 18:09 |
| Theuni1 | MatthewWilkes: hell yeah | 18:09 |
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| agroszer | Theuni1, betr. videos, I could ask Ree how they did it for ploneconf.hu | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | Karlchen_X: anything else? | 18:10 |
| Karlchen_X | On the conference, no. What's the status of the summit? | 18:10 |
| agroszer | schön | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: we're not prepared for dealing with that, really. there's also the issue of release forms, etc. | 18:10 |
| agroszer | dzug takes over the channel | 18:10 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, okokok | 18:10 |
| Karlchen_X | agroszer: Matt Hamilton has posted the plans for this year's Plone conference. Looks like the way to go IMNSHO. | 18:11 |
| Theuni1 | Karlchen_X: i'm getting really close to preparing the actual topics etc. like tomorrow. i've been putting this off for a while, but looks like it will happen | 18:11 |
| agroszer | no plone, thanks | 18:11 |
| * Karlchen_X has been "avoidling" for over a week now. | 18:11 | |
| Theuni1 | otherwise, everyone who comes needs to say whether they would also like to join the conference/sprints and everyone needs to make sure they have hotel room. | 18:11 |
| agroszer | I was at ploneconf.hu cause it was near | 18:11 |
| Theuni1 | andrea should have mailed everyone who registered and ask for a room | 18:11 |
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| Karlchen_X | agroszer: basically hire someone else to do the AV. Doesn't work out expensive and it happens. | 18:11 |
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| Charlie_X | Theuni1: no e-mail about a room here. | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: ok, best would be you shoot a quick mail to ag@gocept.com, she'll get you one. | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | so, next topic | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | test runners | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | I have the feeling that we have way too much noise. | 18:14 |
| agroszer | or noone cares about fixing problems | 18:14 |
| agroszer | I did the winbot, but I can't fix all the win bugs | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | Ö= | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | :) | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | it is a bit difficult to filter out useful information from the emails | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | mgedmin: that's my feeling as well | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | i was pondering to restructure the aggregation abit | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | i've seen some other aggregations that make a table instead of resorting everything | 18:16 |
| agroszer | what about a sort of table, like project x platform | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: the aggregator doesn't have that information | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | but just having a stable sort every day would help | 18:16 |
| * mgedmin wants a web page with pretty colours | 18:17 | |
| Theuni1 | currently its hard to read and keeps changing every day | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | mgedmin: i feel the same | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | i think the aggregator should write a status page and provide an overview + a single link to it | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | the current aggregator has so much noise due to the plain text format | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | I guess just getting a list of "These are the ones that failed:" that aggregates the subject and then have a single link to the full page would be helpful | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | Does anybody know where the code for the aggregator lives? | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | And who is running it again? | 18:18 |
| agroszer | epy.co.at | 18:18 |
| * Theuni1 feels like automated messages should announce which human is responsible for them | 18:19 | |
| agroszer | does that ring a bell? | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | so that's austria | 18:19 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: this will sound like procrastination but maybe a brainstorm at the summit? Stefan Schwarzer showed some interesting visualisation of test results at Europython. I certainly agree the current length of the e-mails invites /ignore. | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | yeah, i have a face in my head but i can't get the name | 18:19 |
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| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: yeah, maybe | 18:19 |
| agroszer | Patrick Gerken (do3cc) ? | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: nope, that's munich | 18:19 |
| Charlie_X | Didn't Stefan Holek set stuff up? | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | yeah, that's him | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: yeah, maybe, it's not that far away, anyway | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | i'll take a note | 18:20 |
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| agroszer | it shouldn't be hard to make the aggregator know about the projects | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | increasing the amount of tests was a good idea, but i think the aggregator is hitting his capacity :) | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: you coming to the summit? | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | Charlie_X, are those slides with test visualizations online? | 18:21 |
| * mgedmin missed EP this year | 18:21 | |
| Theuni1 | if yes, i'd postpone the issue | 18:21 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, nicht hetzen, ja? | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | hop hop! | 18:21 |
| agroszer | sure | 18:21 |
| agroszer | just the paperwork... | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | paperwork? | 18:21 |
| agroszer | emm bitwork | 18:21 |
| agroszer | gotta write that email | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | anyway, i would like to keep the aggregator general purpose | 18:22 |
| Charlie_X | Sorry, it was Mark Fink who gave the talk: http://wiki.europython.eu/Talks/Visualizing%20Software%20Quality | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | not knowing about the projects makes it easier to integrate things that aren't attached to packages/projects | 18:22 |
| agroszer | yay EP slides | 18:22 |
| do3cc | re | 18:22 |
| Charlie_X | In particular the qa analyzer on http://www.testing-software.org/ | 18:23 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, can you get Stefan to document and publish that script? | 18:23 |
| Charlie_X | Looks like a good fit for the ZTK. | 18:23 |
| agroszer | (or whatever) | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: i'll try to | 18:23 |
| do3cc | that would be awesome | 18:23 |
| do3cc | right now the script is not even in a public repo | 18:23 |
| agroszer | ops | 18:23 |
| Charlie_X | MatthewWilkes: Is Stefan still working for Jarn? | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | alright | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | i'll try to find stefan | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: how's the documentation on the egg builder? | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | i noticed that i wanted to point there when mcdonc asked this morning | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | also, it seems to run daily | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | any chance to increase that frequency? | 18:26 |
| agroszer | seems to be online now | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | maybe 3 hours or so? | 18:26 |
| agroszer | http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/winbotsetup.html | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | how expensive is a run if nothing needs to happen? | 18:26 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, sure, easy | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | if it is *really* cheap we could even make it check every 30 minutes or so | 18:27 |
| agroszer | around 40 secs | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | yeah | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | lets make that 30 minutes | 18:27 |
| agroszer | let's hope pypi does not kick our asses | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: the docs look good | 18:28 |
| agroszer | for DoS'ing them | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | if they do you can check gocept's mirror | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | i wnated to poke martin about the stability issues | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | anyway | 18:28 |
| mcdonc | that thing is cool | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | I wonder whether you could add one thing to the docs | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | mcdonc: what? | 18:28 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, what? | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: can you make a short paragraph in the beginning explaining the general operation, how people interact with the magic and how they see it worked or not? | 18:29 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, ok | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | like the 5 sentence abstract for those who need the results of the thing not to set up the thing itself | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | Meeting time is up. I'd like to announce two little things: i wrote the blueprint for consolidating the documentation and made a bug that references all the packages whose documentation we should work on. | 18:30 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: thanks | 18:30 |
| Theuni1 | otherwise, you can have beer now. | 18:30 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: can you send me an e-mail with the desired changes to the bug tracker script? | 18:31 |
| Charlie_X | I've forgotten to nag you on numerous occasions. | 18:31 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: uh, can't even remember right now | 18:31 |
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| Theuni1 | darn | 18:31 |
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| Charlie_X | I think it ties in to reducing the amount of mail noise. | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | yeah | 18:33 |
| Charlie_X | And pointing the finger. | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | ah | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | right | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | that was about the repository checker | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | pointing out who has committed to which projects | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | so that you can ctrl-f for it | 18:33 |
| mcdonc | the wineggbuilder is cool | 18:33 |
| mcdonc | sorry for not qualifying the coolness | 18:33 |
| agroszer | thx | 18:34 |
| Charlie_X | hey mcdonc, don't think you can escape repoze.who questions just by changing channels! ;-) | 18:34 |
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| * mcdonc lights Charlie_X on fire | 18:35 | |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: can you please put that in an e-mail for me? | 18:35 |
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| Theuni1 | sent | 18:36 |
| Charlie_X | ta | 18:36 |
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| Theuni1 | alright, i'm outta here. need to pretend some real life | 18:37 |
| agroszer | bye | 18:37 |
| Charlie_X | See ya. | 18:37 |
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| kosh | so how are you freaks doing today? | 18:46 |
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| sm | excellent kosh, and yourself ? | 19:23 |
| kosh | doing fine here mostly | 19:24 |
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| * sm remembers to look into mcdonc's beef with zopeplanetbot | 19:27 | |
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| sm | hmm.. what was it | 19:30 |
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| mcdonc | it'll come around on the guitar again | 19:32 |
| mcdonc | the url to blog entries | 19:32 |
| mcdonc | as presented via the feed | 19:32 |
| mcdonc | somehow | 19:32 |
| mcdonc | had a PONG in it | 19:32 |
| mcdonc | someone injected a PONG | 19:32 |
| mcdonc | i dont think it was us | 19:32 |
| sm | PONG, thank you. I will get to the bottom of it | 19:33 |
| mcdonc | thanks sm | 19:33 |
| * kosh hands sm a flamethrower to help | 19:35 | |
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| regebro | iiiiiiii7,, lz | 19:50 |
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| mgedmin | is that a cat typing? | 19:51 |
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| regebro_elenor | Nope. It's Elenor. | 19:53 |
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| davisagli | regebro_elenor: :) | 19:55 |
| davisagli | regebro_elenor: gotta get them started young :) | 19:56 |
| regebro_elenor | g.f | 19:56 |
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| regebro | Ok, whacking on the keyboard now lost it's interest. Back to normality. :) | 20:00 |
| sm | this is not mcdonc's issue, because that's hard, but there's something weird about http://planetzope.org/ZopeNews/feed_rss.xml | 20:00 |
| sm | items keep disappearing off it.. they get announced here, but you won't see them at http://planetzope.org | 20:01 |
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| d2m | sm, hi | 20:51 |
| d2m | re your request on items disappearing from planetzope: these are just the items announced on pypi | 20:52 |
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| sm | hi d2m | 20:54 |
| sm | how come they disappear so quickly ? | 20:54 |
| d2m | the feeds are updated every hour, pypi is a fast feed | 20:54 |
| sm | ideally, shouldn't planetzope's feed retain items according to its policy ? | 20:55 |
| sm | ie, last N items harvested from all feeds ? | 20:55 |
| d2m | in the old planetzope version i had the pypi items in an extra box in the sidebar | 20:56 |
| d2m | and the items where persisted to the ZODB too | 20:57 |
| d2m | s/where/were | 20:57 |
| d2m | i do not persist feed items any longer | 20:57 |
| d2m | i do not use zope for planetzope.org any longer btw. | 20:58 |
| kosh | hehe | 20:58 |
| kosh | planetzope does not use zope | 20:58 |
| sm | what do you use ? I like venus | 20:58 |
| d2m | modern times ;) | 20:58 |
| d2m | i use python2.6, google feeds api and jquery | 20:59 |
| kosh | ah I have tried some other things and I just don't see anything that works as well as zope does | 21:00 |
| sm | oh, clicky-expanding titles.. I see | 21:00 |
| kosh | security seems to be barely an afterthought | 21:00 |
| d2m | kosh: true | 21:00 |
| kosh | everyone I do has people that edit documents on the server etc kind of stuff | 21:00 |
| kosh | I have started using jquery recently, it is okay just have to be careful with it if IE users need to view the site | 21:01 |
| kosh | since it is so easy to just kill an IE machine especially an older one with IE6 with it | 21:01 |
| sm | I like a planet page you can rock up to and start reading high-signal content - like planet debian, planet gnome etc. Do the pypi package updates belong ? Though no-one has complained about them being announced here. | 21:02 |
| kosh | actually people have complained about them being announced here | 21:02 |
| d2m | kosh: don't mix with checkin messages | 21:03 |
| kosh | okay it was probably the checkin messages people complained about | 21:04 |
| kosh | sometimes the channel gets spammed with them | 21:04 |
| d2m | sm, should i move the pypi feed out of planetrzope ? | 21:04 |
| sm | imho they're not interesting to general zope planet readers, and could be dropped from the main feed, yeah. Especially given their unusual disappearing act | 21:05 |
| d2m | ok by me | 21:05 |
| sm | any other votes ? | 21:05 |
| sm | no hurry. I'll keep after this PONG bug | 21:06 |
| d2m | there it goes... | 21:06 |
| d2m | sm, btw - are you looking at planetzope.org or planet.zope.org? | 21:07 |
| sm | the former | 21:07 |
| d2m | ok | 21:07 |
| sm | the latter should be shut down, eh | 21:07 |
| d2m | heh | 21:07 |
| sm | seriously. It's bad | 21:07 |
| sm | that's the hostname yours should be at | 21:07 |
| kosh | what is the PONG bug? | 21:07 |
| d2m | afk | 21:09 |
| sm | kosh: once in a while, planetzopebot seems to corrupt urls with "PONG" | 21:09 |
| kosh | hehe | 21:09 |
| sm | when announcing items here | 21:09 |
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| kleist | kosh, IE6 deserves to be killed | 21:20 |
| kosh | of course it does | 21:20 |
| kosh | but sometimes it has to be supported still | 21:20 |
| kosh | lots of big companies that pay for stuff to be written still have an IE6 only policy | 21:20 |
| kleist | kosh, but then again the British Government wouldn't agree, neith their zillions of users | 21:20 |
| kleist | kosh, i know... that the sad facts of RL | 21:21 |
| sm | mcdonc: I'm pretty sure it affects all of your blog's posts, and only those :) | 21:30 |
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| sm | something triggering a bug in a library I'm using.. possibly the %20 urls | 21:30 |
| mcdonc | heh ok | 21:30 |
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| mcdonc | its the %20 to PONG library | 21:31 |
| sm | which is good info. I'll come back to it asap, can't have the groundhog series getting mislinked | 21:31 |
| mcdonc | aw sure you can.. its only in irc | 21:31 |
| mcdonc | afaik | 21:31 |
| * sm just clicked there, looks cool | 21:31 | |
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| sm | mcdonc: found it! fixed now, I hope | 22:18 |
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| mcdonc | PONG | 22:30 |
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