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| planetzopebot | Python and Django job in Utrecht (Reinout van Rees' weblog) http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2010/08/24/python-django-vacature-utrecht.html | 04:04 |
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| CIA-7 | ctheune * r115903 /Sandbox/ctheune/ (testsummarizer testsummarizer/summarizer.py): Add test summarizer code as send to me by Stefan Holek. | 09:28 |
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| CIA-7 | ctheune * r115905 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/ (zope-dev-20100824.rst index.rst): add agenda for today | 10:43 |
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| do3cc | Theuni1: You have the code for the test summarizer? The one for mails? | 11:34 |
| Theuni1 | do3cc: yeah. i checked it in this morning | 11:37 |
| Theuni1 | its in the sandbox/ctheune | 11:37 |
| do3cc | finally | 11:38 |
| do3cc | I did a "mashup" with the buildbots page: http://goo.gl/photos/LfZb | 11:39 |
| Theuni1 | nice | 11:43 |
| Theuni1 | where is the live version of that? | 11:43 |
| do3cc | I have a grease monkey script for that, its a bit ugly, cause I have to parse the target pages with stock dom api | 11:46 |
| do3cc | you can't do it with normal javascript because you request the information with cross site xmlhttprequests, that works only from greasemonkey | 11:46 |
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| CIA-7 | do3cc * r115906 /Sandbox/do3cc: My own sandbox | 13:10 |
| CIA-7 | do3cc * r115907 /Sandbox/do3cc/greasemonkey_buildbot: greasemonkey script | 13:10 |
| CIA-7 | do3cc * r115908 /Sandbox/do3cc/greasemonkey_buildbot/checkbuildbots.user.js: The greasemonkey script, handle with care | 13:10 |
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| mlechner | hi, i'm storing python dictionaries in a pyton-skript to make them available for various zope modules by calling the first script. how can I edit this skript using another skript? I want to run the second skript manually to update my first skript holding dictionaries | 14:03 |
| mlechner | -> zop2! | 14:03 |
| mlechner | s/zop2/zope2/g | 14:04 |
| d2m | mlechner: model=context.scriptid; x=model.ZPythonScript_edit(params, body) | 14:07 |
| mlechner | thnx | 14:11 |
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| zamba | i'm looking for some help for the ldapuserfolder plugin.. it seems that it generates invalid ldap searches.. who can i talk to about this? | 15:04 |
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| ricky__ | Hi there. Anyone using ZSQLMethods with zope-mysqlda? I would like to do an insert and be returned the primary key of the inserted row, but that doesn't seem possible. If I use a separate method for a select to get the id the results object is zero length, although the insert works. It's as if the connection is reused and both methods see the database as a snapshot from before zope connected. If I try to do a flush or begin | 15:27 |
| ricky__ | /commit then I get transaction errors. I've tried stopping the zsqlmethod from caching, using a different ZSQL DB connection for each method but that's not working either. I'm about to learn about stored procedures but is there something I'm missing? | 15:27 |
| betabug | I don't use SQL with zope really, but AFAIK you can execute two SQL statements in one ZSQL methods | 15:29 |
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| ignas | is there a way to set the extensions directory for a zope2 buildout? | 15:51 |
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| ricky__ | betabug, thanks for that. I tried that but wasn't aware of the need for sql-delimiter. IIRC you were very helpful a few years ago when I was on here as well, thanks a lot! | 15:59 |
| betabug | no problem, glad to be of help! | 15:59 |
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| CIA-7 | hannosch * r115909 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/releaseteam/meeting-20100817.rst: Correct date | 16:33 |
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| hannosch | j-w, ccomb: hi | 16:59 |
| j-w | hi hannosch, ccomb | 16:59 |
| j-w | you made it :) | 17:00 |
| ccomb | hello ! | 17:00 |
| ccomb | 00 ? | 17:00 |
| hannosch | start! | 17:00 |
| ccomb | what are we missing for the new beta? | 17:00 |
| hannosch | passing tests | 17:01 |
| j-w | uhm, shall we do the regular order? like minutes of last meeting, tasks etc.? | 17:01 |
| j-w | and then do the beta? | 17:01 |
| hannosch | j-w: sure. I'm German, I love process and order :) | 17:01 |
| ccomb | k | 17:01 |
| ccomb | I'm french, I love disorder and complaining :D | 17:01 |
| j-w | less typos in the minutes this time? | 17:01 |
| j-w | so, ok? | 17:02 |
| hannosch | j-w: only the date, which I fixed | 17:02 |
| hannosch | +1 on the notes | 17:02 |
| j-w | i'm dutch - i like whatever suits me best ;) | 17:02 |
| j-w | ok, tasks: i have access to download.zope.org (thank you Jens!!) | 17:02 |
| j-w | hannosch did the deprecation | 17:02 |
| CIA-7 | hannosch * r115910 zopetoolkit/ztk-versions.cfg: Upgrade a bunch of support tools and dependencies | 17:03 |
| j-w | we did not yet do the alpha though | 17:03 |
| hannosch | aha, I did that before we started :) | 17:03 |
| j-w | that was planned for yesterday | 17:03 |
| hannosch | j-w: we can do the alpha today | 17:03 |
| j-w | we have the idea to do that just after this meeting | 17:03 |
| j-w | right | 17:03 |
| hannosch | looks like the docs are "good enough" | 17:03 |
| ccomb | I'll postpone my task to the next meeting because the autorelease buildbot is not yet readable | 17:04 |
| j-w | ok | 17:04 |
| hannosch | ccomb: ok | 17:04 |
| ccomb | I need to export the version list in a usable way | 17:04 |
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| hannosch | I searched for "# was" to find anything | 17:04 |
| ccomb | the only upgrade it found latetely was lxml 2.2.7 | 17:04 |
| ccomb | ok | 17:04 |
| j-w | ok | 17:05 |
| agroszer | hi guys | 17:05 |
| j-w | hi | 17:05 |
| hannosch | agroszer: hi! our Windows tests hero | 17:05 |
| agroszer | btw: I'm trying now to get zc.recipe.testrunner working | 17:05 |
| hannosch | awesome! | 17:05 |
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| hannosch | j-w: did you have a look at what test failures we actually have and compile a list? | 17:05 |
| * hannosch remembers we talked about that last week | 17:05 | |
| j-w | no :( | 17:06 |
| j-w | yes we did | 17:06 |
| j-w | I wanted to but didn't | 17:06 |
| j-w | time.... | 17:06 |
| hannosch | no worries | 17:06 |
| hannosch | I'm just interested how much work is left before we actually get close to passing tests | 17:06 |
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| j-w | me too | 17:06 |
| j-w | I do know that janjaap has some what more time now to help on the buildbots-stuff | 17:07 |
| hannosch | aha, that's good. I talked briefly to Patrick Gerken, who started taking his role as buildbot coordinator more seriously again | 17:07 |
| j-w | that might help there, but our windows test hero did a lot of work too of course | 17:07 |
| j-w | yes | 17:07 |
| j-w | he's in contact with janjaap as well | 17:08 |
| j-w | so, that task still stands, the windows test failures | 17:08 |
| ccomb | Patrick also contacted me about the buildbot | 17:08 |
| ccomb | he at least made me rename the kgs3.4.1 to kgs3.4 | 17:08 |
| hannosch | :) | 17:08 |
| hannosch | is there anything we can do as the release team on the test front? or should we defer to the zope-dev IRC meetings and general community? | 17:09 |
| ccomb | One thing that came on the bb list | 17:09 |
| ccomb | again about community packages | 17:09 |
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| ccomb | I propose to add many community packages to the bb list | 17:09 |
| ccomb | some grok people wanted to share this list | 17:10 |
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| ccomb | is there something we should care of? | 17:10 |
| j-w | ccomb: collaboration sounds usefull | 17:10 |
| j-w | but that collaboration is outside of the ztk(release-team)-scope, right? | 17:11 |
| hannosch | I think the two of you can talk about that. until we cannot even get the tests passing for the stuff we already have, I don't want to add any more to it | 17:11 |
| ccomb | ok that was my question | 17:11 |
| ccomb | if, as ztk release team, we should bother with that | 17:11 |
| j-w | I don't think so at this moment | 17:11 |
| j-w | but we're mostly the same guys anyway ;) | 17:11 |
| hannosch | j-w: +1 | 17:11 |
| j-w | I wonder if there're zopedevelopers that work on Windows on a day to day basis | 17:12 |
| j-w | that could (should?) help with the test failures | 17:12 |
| hannosch | there are. but not many contribute back | 17:12 |
| wiggy | j-w the enfold people | 17:12 |
| hannosch | I only know one person in Plone that actually does use Windows and contributes on a regular basis | 17:13 |
| agroszer | j-w: there are | 17:13 |
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| j-w | can be kinda ask for these types of contributions on zope-dev? | 17:13 |
| j-w | *can we | 17:13 |
| ccomb | here at alterway we have many clients under windows | 17:13 |
| j-w | fixing tests mean | 17:13 |
| j-w | ah, ok | 17:13 |
| ccomb | but on plone 2.5 or 3 | 17:13 |
| j-w | anyway, I said I would look at it, so I will but help is always appreciated ;) | 17:14 |
| agroszer | first problem is (was) missing buildbots | 17:14 |
| j-w | yes | 17:14 |
| j-w | true | 17:14 |
| agroszer | next thing to tackle: win buildbots community packages | 17:14 |
| agroszer | for | 17:14 |
| agroszer | and some core packages too | 17:14 |
| agroszer | like zc.buildout | 17:15 |
| j-w | ow, that's kinda a core package indeed... | 17:15 |
| agroszer | yah, and breaks the winbot like hell | 17:15 |
| hannosch | j-w: ok. so you take a look at what is failing and maybe talk to agroszer about it, then we can see where we are at next week? | 17:15 |
| j-w | ok | 17:16 |
| j-w | so, alpha release then? | 17:16 |
| hannosch | j-w: one other meta question: what's Grok status re ZTK right now. is there a Grok release planned anytime soon? | 17:16 |
| j-w | not really | 17:16 |
| hannosch | so everyone is still waking up after summer vacation :) | 17:17 |
| wiggy | grok already had a release this year ;) | 17:17 |
| j-w | grok development needs a push to get moving again | 17:17 |
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| hannosch | j-w: ok. that's what I thought :) | 17:17 |
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| j-w | yeah | 17:17 |
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| hannosch | so, next alpha? | 17:17 |
| hannosch | for ZTK | 17:17 |
| ccomb | just now ! :) | 17:18 |
| betabug | hannosch: yeah, now that temperatures dropped to 32c ;-) | 17:18 |
| j-w | hannosch: yes, let's make the release | 17:18 |
| hannosch | mmh. we had the first snow flakes mixed into the rain today :) | 17:18 |
| ccomb | who did the last alpha, hannosch? | 17:18 |
| hannosch | ccomb: yes | 17:19 |
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| j-w | what if I try to follow the procedure? | 17:19 |
| hannosch | j-w: please do | 17:19 |
| hannosch | http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releaseteam/release-procedure.html | 17:19 |
| ccomb | so I suggest j-w do it this time, then me, so that we all know the procedure | 17:19 |
| j-w | right | 17:19 |
| hannosch | it's not really verbose, but there's not much to it | 17:19 |
| * j-w starts right now | 17:20 | |
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| hannosch | svn tag, login to download.zope.org, call one script, done | 17:20 |
| j-w | the doc says "check index.rst". What index.rst? | 17:21 |
| hannosch | in ztk/trunk | 17:21 |
| j-w | check for what? if it needs additional notes due to upgraded packages? | 17:21 |
| hannosch | it doesn't contain a version history, so there's not really anything to change | 17:21 |
| j-w | ok | 17:22 |
| do3cc | aehm, I mist the discussion here | 17:22 |
| hannosch | it's more important for 1.0 -> 1.1 release changes. should be fine for any 1.0.x | 17:22 |
| do3cc | this might be interesting for the buildbotters: http://goo.gl/photos/LfZb | 17:22 |
| do3cc | a greasemonkey script did that | 17:22 |
| agroszer | do3cc, no worries, the zope meeting is in 40 mins | 17:23 |
| hannosch | do3cc: this is just the ZTK release gang :) | 17:23 |
| do3cc | same interest rate in the buildbots | 17:23 |
| hannosch | j-w: if you have any questions just ask :) | 17:29 |
| j-w | hannosch: I should not run the checkversions script right now, right? | 17:29 |
| j-w | I mean, what ever it is right now we will release | 17:30 |
| hannosch | j-w: you don't have to | 17:30 |
| hannosch | I updated some stuff today already. I think it's the latest of all now | 17:30 |
| j-w | tagged | 17:32 |
| ccomb | \o/ | 17:32 |
| j-w | I ran the script on download.zope.org too | 17:33 |
| hannosch | and we have http://download.zope.org/zopetoolkit/index/1.0a3/ | 17:34 |
| j-w | anything I neeed to update the docs | 17:34 |
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| j-w | on docs.zope.org to pick up the release? | 17:34 |
| hannosch | nope | 17:34 |
| hannosch | http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releases/index.html | 17:34 |
| hannosch | that will be build automatically | 17:34 |
| j-w | ow, ok | 17:34 |
| LeoRochael | how do I define, in zope.conf, a logger for a specific subsystem? | 17:34 |
| hannosch | j-w: it's really that easy :) remember we wanted to automate this as much as possible | 17:35 |
| ccomb | we need to add "send an announcement" to the release-procedure page | 17:35 |
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| hannosch | ccomb: good point | 17:35 |
| j-w | but I need to update the docs in zopetoolkit/doc/source/releases, right? | 17:35 |
| hannosch | j-w: with what? | 17:35 |
| hannosch | j-w: it's an empty folder that gets populated by a script | 17:36 |
| hannosch | part of the Sphinx build | 17:36 |
| j-w | aha! | 17:36 |
| j-w | duh | 17:36 |
| hannosch | it's the update-releaseinfo.py in ztk/docs/scripts | 17:37 |
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| ccomb | what does "Launchpad tasks (none yet)" mean? | 17:37 |
| hannosch | ccomb: we might at some point get BluePrints for the ZTK | 17:37 |
| ccomb | ok | 17:37 |
| hannosch | at that point we might need to change their status to "releases" or some such | 17:37 |
| hannosch | released | 17:38 |
| hannosch | you can remove the line and we add stuff when there's actually something to do | 17:38 |
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| CIA-7 | janwijbrand * r115911 /zopetoolkit/tags/1.0a3: Tag 1.0a3 release. | 17:40 |
| CIA-7 | adamg 1.2.1 * r115912 zc.recipe.testrunner/ (5 files in 2 dirs): this passes now on windoze | 17:40 |
| CIA-7 | adamg 1.2.1 * r115913 zc.recipe.testrunner/CHANGES.txt: passes on linux too, get ready for release | 17:40 |
| CIA-7 | adamg 1.2.1 * r115914 zc.recipe.testrunner/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Preparing release 1.2.1 | 17:40 |
| hannosch | j-w: can you remove the launchpad line in the docs, add a line to say "sent announcement" and actually sent one to the zope-dev list? | 17:40 |
| ccomb | I just did it | 17:41 |
| j-w | sure | 17:41 |
| hannosch | ccomb: all of it? | 17:41 |
| ccomb | both yes | 17:41 |
| hannosch | awesome! | 17:41 |
| hannosch | teamwork :) | 17:41 |
| j-w | ow, ok! | 17:41 |
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| j-w | ccomb: both? there's three things to do :) | 17:42 |
| ccomb | mmh | 17:42 |
| ccomb | ah the actual announcement should be done by j-w | 17:42 |
| j-w | like sending the annoucement as well :-) | 17:42 |
| j-w | right | 17:42 |
| hannosch | j-w: you did the work, you'll have the pleasure of taking the praise for it ;) | 17:43 |
| agroszer | dran, 5 minutes too late with zc.recipe.testrunner... | 17:43 |
| hannosch | agroszer: we can do another one. I'm sure there's more test failures left anyways ;) | 17:44 |
| j-w | we didn't do an announcement for the second alpha... | 17:45 |
| j-w | but anyway I'll create one for this third alpha | 17:45 |
| hannosch | uhm. we should have :) | 17:45 |
| j-w | hopefully the next is a beta | 17:45 |
| hannosch | lazy me | 17:45 |
| agroszer | fingers crossed | 17:46 |
| hannosch | ok, Zope2 trunk runs on the third alpha, all tests pass | 17:46 |
| agroszer | ccomb, btw, how's that list of community packages, or was that for bluebream? | 17:48 |
| ccomb | I suggested it on the bb list | 17:49 |
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| ccomb | I would just like to have a buildbot for all the community packages | 17:49 |
| agroszer | +1 here | 17:50 |
| agroszer | for windoze too | 17:50 |
| agroszer | it's just crazy that any package I touch breaks on win | 17:50 |
| ccomb | If someone explain me how to setup a windows slave, I could try to do it on the afpy server | 17:50 |
| ccomb | but I first want to setup 32bit linux slaves | 17:51 |
| ccomb | in virtual machines | 17:51 |
| agroszer | no worries about setting up one, we have the winbot | 17:51 |
| ccomb | cool | 17:51 |
| agroszer | just get a list of packages together | 17:51 |
| ccomb | so we just need the bot conf | 17:51 |
| ccomb | ok | 17:51 |
| agroszer | I guess a list of packages in a file, then use a script to add that many tasks | 17:52 |
| do3cc | I have code that parses a repository and CAN create a test for each package | 17:52 |
| j-w | hannosch, ccomb I'll make note of the help we need for fixing Windows-test-failures in the announcement? As part of the roadmap to 1.0 | 17:52 |
| agroszer | we should go with a handpicked list | 17:52 |
| do3cc | it understands white and blacklists | 17:52 |
| hannosch | j-w: please do | 17:52 |
| ccomb | do3cc: it would be nice to create a bib test matrix | 17:52 |
| ccomb | big | 17:53 |
| do3cc | yes | 17:53 |
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| hannosch | uh, Charlie_X is here, we need to free up the room soon :) | 17:53 |
| * Theuni1 yawns | 17:53 | |
| do3cc | my script parsers the svn for each package and checks wether a buildout.cfg is in there | 17:53 |
| agroszer | LOL, I'll stay | 17:53 |
| ccomb | hannosch: ok, what are the next tasks | 17:53 |
| ccomb | just focus on windows? | 17:54 |
| hannosch | ccomb: you work on the update versions bot, j-w looks at test failures and I do nothing :)) | 17:54 |
| agroszer | do3cc, better just a file, parsing the whole zope svn takes a while | 17:54 |
| hannosch | ccomb, j-w: next meeting, next week same time? | 17:55 |
| ccomb | hannosch: ok :D | 17:55 |
| j-w | hannosch, ccomb ok | 17:55 |
| do3cc | agroszer: I parse something like this: http://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/ | 17:55 |
| do3cc | but yes, its slow | 17:55 |
| ccomb | j-w hannosch thanks! | 17:55 |
| agroszer | a buildbot restart can't take half an hour | 17:55 |
| hannosch | awesome, /me eats all the remaining chocolate in the room | 17:56 |
| do3cc | you can do a reconfig, then the server stays awake, adn continues to work | 17:56 |
| agroszer | not on stupid windoze | 17:56 |
| do3cc | also, in 0.8.1 the slaves continue to work on started projects | 17:56 |
| agroszer | nice, gotta update winbot | 17:57 |
| do3cc | wait a bit, I am just testing my stuff, maybe I am wrong ;-) | 17:58 |
| j-w | hannosch, ccomb see you next week | 17:58 |
| * Theuni1 pokes hannosch | 17:58 | |
| hannosch | j-w: cya | 17:59 |
| Theuni1 | get me back ma chocolate! | 17:59 |
| * hannosch cannot speak, muffles something like soooorry | 17:59 | |
| * j-w wipes cookie crumbles from mouth | 17:59 | |
| j-w | coffee is cold by now - bye ;) | 17:59 |
| agroszer | bugger, buildout lets me s..k | 18:00 |
| Theuni1 | ding ding | 18:00 |
| * Theuni1 waits for the ground crew to pick up the garbage | 18:00 | |
| * agroszer hits buildout | 18:00 | |
| Charlie_X | Bloody typical: the ZTKers eat and drink everything in site and leave a mess... | 18:00 |
| Theuni1 | arrr! | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | alright | 18:01 |
| benji | Theuni1 needs a puppy named "ground crew" | 18:01 |
| LeoRochael | Anyones know how can I define, in zope.conf, a logger for a specific subsystem? | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | ! | 18:01 |
| CIA-7 | adamg * r115915 /zc.recipe.testrunner/tags/1.2.1: Tagging 1.2.1 | 18:01 |
| CIA-7 | ccomb * r115916 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/releaseteam/release-procedure.rst: update the release procedure (announcement) | 18:01 |
| CIA-7 | adamg 1.2.1 * r115917 zc.recipe.testrunner/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Back to development: 1.2.2 | 18:01 |
| CIA-7 | adamg * r115918 zopetoolkit/ztk-versions.cfg: bump zc.recipe.testrunner version | 18:01 |
| CIA-7 | hannosch * r115919 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg): Update to Zope Toolkit 1.0a3 | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | first topic today: bug day review | 18:01 |
| hannosch | LeoRochael: I think I've seen a feature request about that at some point but it hasn't been implemented | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | Unfortunately my long term plans were killed so I had no chance to participate. I know that one of our guys, (michael howitz), joined, though. | 18:02 |
| LeoRochael | hannosch: thanks | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | Who else was there? What happened? | 18:02 |
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| hannosch | I think Michael fixed the zope.dublincore 3.6.3 crap, which broke lots of other tests | 18:03 |
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| Theuni1 | those were permission and backwards-compatibility issues, right? | 18:05 |
| hannosch | yep | 18:06 |
| hannosch | I saw Jens spent time on Zope2 stuff, some ZSQLMethods things got resolved | 18:06 |
| hannosch | otherwise not much happened I think | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | michael is working on extracting zope.app.generations into a zope.generations package | 18:07 |
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| Theuni1 | there was and is still discussion aroudn that | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: what kind of things on ZSQLMethods did you work on or should I check the tickets? | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: i think he meant that jens worked on those | 18:08 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: check the SVN or the bug tracker for it | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch: did you notice how many people showed up on irc? | 18:08 |
| hannosch | Theuni1: I wasn't there | 18:08 |
| Charlie_X | Oh yeah. I should learn to read. The internet is wrecking everything? | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | we did have quite a good amount of people subscribe for the bug day | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch: ah, sorry. | 18:08 |
| Charlie_X | Maybe we can just request feedback on the ML. | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | we probably should | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | I'll send a mail | 18:08 |
| Charlie_X | Okay. | 18:09 |
| * hannosch had a customer showing up and got a big site live on Plone 4 that day :) | 18:09 | |
| Theuni1 | nevertheless, it seems like we had many people were able to schedule for the long term, but short term didn't work out. | 18:09 |
| Theuni1 | not sure what to do against that, probably we need to check how it turns out the next time. | 18:09 |
| Charlie_X | I really couldn't join in this time. | 18:09 |
| do3cc | agroszer: I was wrong, my buildbot is hanging | 18:10 |
| agroszer | then I won't update ;-) | 18:10 |
| Charlie_X | We need to keep at it and hand out some virtual "stars" for those who take part. | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: or beer. | 18:11 |
| Theuni1 | I'd like beer. | 18:11 |
| Theuni1 | :) | 18:11 |
| agroszer | and to others please, who still s..c with the bugs | 18:11 |
| hannosch | Theuni1: not much can be done about that. the Plone TuneUp days (bug days) are just scheduled at a fixed date every three weeks and some different people show up each time | 18:11 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch: does that mean there's more stable throughput with that approach or is it just different? | 18:11 |
| hannosch | I think we use Fridays and so far it works ok-ish | 18:11 |
| Charlie_X | Yeah, slow and steady is the key. I enjoy reading the feedback, though. | 18:12 |
| hannosch | Theuni1: I'm not convinced scheduling a real date gets us more people | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | i asked for feedback on the list | 18:12 |
| hannosch | +1 | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | i'll do another doodle then for september | 18:12 |
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| Charlie_X | How close will a bug day be to the conference? | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | 4 weeks in between would be the week of the summit and conference | 18:13 |
| Charlie_X | We could maybe just set tutorial day? | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | thats the follow-up day for the summit | 18:13 |
| Charlie_X | A lot of us are going to be together anyway. | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | not sure whether you wanna do bugs there ;) | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | monday/tuesday will be at the offices in halle and then there's the migration with busses to dresden | 18:14 |
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| Theuni1 | so | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | the week after, or maybe two? | 18:15 |
| Charlie_X | So what's wrong with Wednesday being bug day. It's about 2 hours from Halle to Dresden, isn't it? | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | wednesday is the first conference day | 18:15 |
| Charlie_X | oh, I'm so confused. | 18:15 |
| Charlie_X | Give it two weeks then | 18:16 |
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| Theuni1 | k | 18:17 |
| Charlie_X | 28th or 29th September look okay. | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | right | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | i'll doodle that week then | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | so | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | next topic is buildbot organizatino | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | do3cc, agroszer you two asked for it, right? | 18:17 |
| do3cc | who me? | 18:17 |
| Charlie_X | I should have the improvements to my nagging script done by then! ;-) Hopefully much sooner now that my major travelling has stopped. | 18:17 |
| agroszer | me | 18:17 |
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| agroszer | my thinking was that if we want a nice summary, we should have some "central" settings for the bots | 18:18 |
| agroszer | but anyway, we should test the same | 18:18 |
| do3cc | agroszer: did you see the link I sent an hour? | 18:18 |
| agroszer | bb in 2 mins | 18:19 |
| do3cc | I started checking what people are actually testing | 18:19 |
| * hannosch pestered do3cc a bit and he tries to coordinate that stuff again :) | 18:19 | |
| Theuni1 | yay | 18:19 |
| do3cc | who is this hannosch guy? | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | hooray for pestering | 18:19 |
| do3cc | What would be nice, if we would have common ground on wording | 18:19 |
| do3cc | some people call the dev dev, others trunk | 18:19 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch is the guy who eats all the chocolate | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | right | 18:20 |
| Charlie_X | +1 for calling trunk, trunk | 18:20 |
| agroszer | back | 18:20 |
| do3cc | would it be a sensible idea to postprecess the spinx docs and add the last known buildbot status? | 18:20 |
| do3cc | -1 for trunk, i prefer dev trunk is so svn only | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | is that an issue? | 18:21 |
| * hannosch doesn't care as long as everyone uses the same | 18:21 | |
| do3cc | we dont name it the same right now | 18:22 |
| Charlie_X | you're right hannosch, consistency is the key. | 18:22 |
| hannosch | we use .dev in version numbers. so it's an established pattern | 18:22 |
| do3cc | so I suggest everybody to name their trunk dev | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | i'm for making it the same name. | 18:22 |
| hannosch | 1.0.1 vs. 1.0dev | 18:22 |
| do3cc | what about postprocessing? | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch: good reason. | 18:22 |
| do3cc | I've done this locally with greasemonkey now: http://goo.gl/photos/LfZb | 18:22 |
| do3cc | the ugly script for that is here: http://svn.zope.org/Sandbox/do3cc/greasemonkey_buildbot/ | 18:23 |
| agroszer | do3cc, anything that gives some nice overview (and is not overcomplicated) | 18:23 |
| do3cc | maybe it makes sense to do this server side once in a while, with a better highlighting ;-) | 18:23 |
| agroszer | bzw easy to maintain | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | do3cc: probably. i don't think relying on people having extensions installed is a good idea | 18:24 |
| do3cc | writing these tables is a pita | 18:24 |
| Charlie_X | looks great do3cc | 18:24 |
| Charlie_X | I'll take that up. | 18:24 |
| do3cc | I check how to embed this into the make file | 18:24 |
| hannosch | do3cc: we already have a script there. the update-releaseinfo.py | 18:25 |
| do3cc | do we have a link checker running over the docs? | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | incidentally, parsing buildbot status with jquery is a breeze | 18:25 |
| do3cc | hannosch: thanks, I check that | 18:25 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc: why are some results half-red and half-green? | 18:25 |
| do3cc | read the text ;-) | 18:25 |
| hannosch | do3cc: should be easy to do the same. just add something to the Makefile and say the "all" step runs it | 18:25 |
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| do3cc | AFPY green, POV red | 18:25 |
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| do3cc | mgedmin: I got the buildbot page with xmlhttprequest, then jquery cant parse the full page, thats why I didn't use jquery there | 18:26 |
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| mgedmin | do3cc, look here: http://pastie.org/1112539 | 18:26 |
| do3cc | mgedmin the problem is, that you cant parse a full html page you got via xmlhttprequest | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | yes you can, look where I pasted | 18:27 |
| hannosch | so there's progress on this. anything else on the test front we need to discuss now? | 18:27 |
| do3cc | I will suggest tha to send mails for some of their grok tests | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | i've got the aggregator code yesterday | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | var jqueryable_object = $(string_with_html_data_you_got_via_xmlhttprequest) | 18:27 |
| do3cc | we will soonishly add tests for zodb under linux | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | that means we can move towards a better daily summary | 18:28 |
| hannosch | Theuni1: cool. I saw. I was about to pester Stefan in the office this week otherwise :) | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | heh | 18:28 |
| do3cc | I'd love to see, how long some things are broken already | 18:28 |
| do3cc | great that you got the scripts, Theuni1 | 18:28 |
| do3cc | mgedmin I tried that in and out yesterday | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | oh, hey, http://zope3.pov.lt/ has similar (working) code | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | what I pasted is from an intranet site (also working just fine) | 18:30 |
| do3cc | weird | 18:30 |
| do3cc | oh nice, I didn't know about the -1 trick | 18:31 |
| Theuni1 | time | 18:31 |
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| Theuni1 | (keep talking if you want to) | 18:31 |
| do3cc | what improvements are wanted for the daily summary? | 18:31 |
| Theuni1 | - stable sorting | 18:31 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: I briefly wanted to check with you about when to drop Python 2.5 | 18:31 |
| Theuni1 | - show only the broken ones | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | - less noise | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | - provide an online summary with everything on it to get a quick overview | 18:32 |
| do3cc | meh, only the broken onces means, I don't know who is still testing | 18:32 |
| hannosch | I'd like them to be grouped (so I can more easily see Zope2 in there) | 18:32 |
| do3cc | Online overview I am going to embed in buildbots.rst | 18:32 |
| agroszer | hannosch, that speaks for some consistent naming | 18:32 |
| CIA-7 | adamg * r115920 zc.recipe.testrunner/ (4 files in 2 dirs): | 18:32 |
| CIA-7 | - Merge fixes from 1.2.1 (svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zc.recipe.testrunner/tags/1.2.1) | 18:32 |
| CIA-7 | Excluding nailing zope.testing version. That fixes a bunch of windows issues | 18:32 |
| do3cc | my next steps | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | do3cc: it's not just about the buildouts | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | buildbots | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | there's tests that aren't buildbots | 18:33 |
| do3cc | only epy right now | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | thats why we have the test list and the aggregator | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | anything that can produce mails can get into it | 18:33 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: we are dropping Python 2.4 with ZTK 1.1. There's no plan to retire Python 2.5 anytime soon | 18:33 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: for example it's a pain to get Python 2.6 installed on Debian 5.0. As long as that's the case and Debian 6.0 isn't out yet, I'm leaning towards supporting 2.5 | 18:34 |
| agroszer | hannosch, good, py24 has some weird problem on the winbot | 18:34 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: that is essentially different to what we discussed months ago. But it is a ZTK decision. | 18:34 |
| * Charlie_X mumbles something unflattering about Debia | 18:34 | |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: the only thing I remember we discussed was recorded at http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/python-versions.html | 18:35 |
| hannosch | I think once we get a clearer picture on the Python 3 move, we might want to consider the fate of Python 2.5 - that's the only real reason I can see to stop supporting it | 18:36 |
| Charlie_X | Personally I'm worried that maintaining support for 2.5 will make it harder to manage the 2/3 gap. Syntactically there is little between 2.4 and 2.5 and neither are supported by Python any more. | 18:36 |
| Charlie_X | In IRC, way back when, we did actually agree that ZTK 1.1 could be >= 2.6 only. | 18:37 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: so far it seems we did well on the 2/3 move even with 2.4 being supported | 18:37 |
| hannosch | I don't see any compelling reason to stop supporting it right now. but we should take that up once we get ZTK 1.0 out and start talking about ZTK 1.1 features and timeline | 18:38 |
| do3cc | there is a risk that we continue support python versions that arent maintained by python | 18:38 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: so far we were lucky. But I agree, get ZTK 1.0 out the door first. | 18:39 |
| Charlie_X | fredvd: what version of Python will you be moving to? | 18:39 |
| agroszer | do3cc, what about the svn mode "copy"? | 18:41 |
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| do3cc | i think it hides, when something gets deleted in svn, no? | 18:41 |
| agroszer | (for the buildbots) | 18:41 |
| agroszer | I don't think so | 18:42 |
| agroszer | it maintains a separate folder, svn up's it all the time and does a copy before build, builds on the copy | 18:42 |
| agroszer | copy is erased all the time | 18:42 |
| agroszer | that means bin, parts, whatever is erased | 18:42 |
| agroszer | if something is removed from svn, on the next svn up it will be removed locally too | 18:43 |
| Charlie_X | Right, see you all next week. | 18:43 |
| agroszer | I'll take copy | 18:45 |
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| * mgedmin tweaks buildbot summary on http://zope3.pov.lt/ front page a bit | 18:50 | |
| mgedmin | now it doesn't make me want to poke my eyes out any more | 18:50 |
| Theuni1 | yay | 18:50 |
| Theuni1 | what do you want to poke out now? | 18:50 |
| do3cc | more green | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | it's an interesting zope3recipes failure: http://zope3.pov.lt/buildbot/builders/py2.4-64bit-linux/builds/771/steps/test/logs/stdio | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | extra " install_dir /sample-buildout/develop-eggs/tmpVSnZbcbuild" being printed out in a test | 18:51 |
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| agroszer | mgedmin, that sounds distribute'ish: | 18:53 |
| agroszer | hide_distribute_additions = (re.compile('install_dir .+\n'), '') | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 18:53 |
| agroszer | taken from buildout | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | thank you | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | I did upgrade virtualenv on that box (1.3.3 -> 1.4.5), I believe the new one uses distribute instead of setuptools | 18:53 |
| do3cc | hey, buildout, that reminds me, anybody who can make a buildout guru merge a branch of mine? | 18:54 |
| do3cc | It will make buildbot work better | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | do3cc, I think contacting Gary Poster is your best route | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | maybe an email to distutils-sig@ | 18:55 |
| do3cc | buildout is on distutils-sig? | 18:55 |
| kosh | hail freaks! | 18:55 |
| agroszer | do3cc, yup | 18:55 |
| do3cc | weird | 18:55 |
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| do3cc | oh really | 18:58 |
| do3cc | and I am not the only one with loong and old branches wanting to merge | 18:59 |
| agroszer | a littlebit problematic, yup | 18:59 |
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| CIA-7 | - When the result of a WSGI application was received, ``task.write()`` was | 22:18 |
| CIA-7 | only called once to transmit the data. This prohibited the transmission of | 22:18 |
| CIA-7 | partial results. Now the WSGI server iterates through the result itself | 22:18 |
| CIA-7 | making multiple ``task.write()`` calls, which will cause partial data to be | 22:18 |
| CIA-7 | transmitted. | 22:18 |
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| CIA-7 | srichter * r115922 /zope.server/tags/3.8.1: Create release tag. | 22:18 |
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