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| DerekD | hi - is there a ZODB/ZEO-specific channel? | 00:40 |
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| DerekD | ...or a channel which people are actively monitoring? | 00:44 |
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| runyaga | DerekD, here | 00:56 |
| runyaga | DerekD, or #repoze | 00:57 |
| runyaga | #zope, #repoze, #pyramid, #plone | 00:57 |
| DerekD | hi, cool | 00:57 |
| DerekD | I'm seeing some weirdness with my ClientStorage | 00:57 |
| DerekD | might be something I'm doing wrong | 00:57 |
| DerekD | I have a single OOSet under the root that holds objects of a specific type | 00:58 |
| DerekD | I want to be able to access and modify them from a Python CGI page. It works for the most part but it seems like I need to explicitly touch each object in the set in order for the members of each objest to be fetched | 01:00 |
| mcdonc | independent of everything except your last sentence | 01:10 |
| mcdonc | whoops sorry | 01:10 |
| mcdonc | your last sentence is true independent of what came before it | 01:10 |
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| mcdonc | you do often need to explicitly ask for an attribute of an object for the state of the object to be fetched | 01:11 |
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| moo-_- | I get Host not found for 50% of download.zope.org queries | 11:03 |
| moo-_- | has anybody else issues? | 11:03 |
| betabug | not downloading much there lately | 11:04 |
| betabug | moo-_-: if you can reproduce it, maybe mail zope-web@zope.org mailing list | 11:04 |
| moo-_- | betabug: thanks | 11:07 |
| betabug | hmmm, yeah, something is fishy with DNS | 11:16 |
| betabug | ns7.zoneedit.com and ns1.zoneedit.com do not always respond | 11:19 |
| betabug | maybe they need a reboot after the leap second thing? | 11:19 |
| betabug | same for www.zope.org btw | 11:19 |
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| betabug | moo-_-: looks like the problem fixed itself, works for me again now | 11:23 |
| moo-_- | betabug: that's why I said 50% | 11:29 |
| moo-_- | did the same yesterday | 11:29 |
| moo-_- | :) | 11:29 |
| moo-_- | zope car driving with two wheels | 11:30 |
| moo-_- | or on two wheels | 11:30 |
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| DerekD | hi - does anyone know why the __dict__ of any object I have in ZODB is empty when it's in ghost state? | 17:43 |
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| kosh | hmm he did not remain around very long | 17:59 |
| kosh | I actually know the answer to that one | 17:59 |
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| betabug | hey kosh, that's how IRC is supposed to work: ask a question and then run as fast as you can | 18:31 |
| betabug | we have been doing it wrong all those years | 18:32 |
| teix | kosh: well seems that DerekD is WFD now :) | 18:34 |
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| DerekD | ha, sorry | 18:35 |
| DerekD | I didn't realize that this comp was going to keep going to sleep on me | 18:35 |
| kosh | ah | 18:35 |
| DerekD | I leave for 2 mins and I'm off | 18:35 |
| kosh | okay the reason why __dict__ doesn't work is that accessing __dict__ and other magic methods does not cause an object to be loaded from the db | 18:35 |
| kosh | if you access any other attribute/method first you can then check __dict__ and it will work | 18:35 |
| kosh | betabug, so how is life going? is your country still burning to the ground and trying to take the rest of the world with it? | 18:36 |
| DerekD | yup...that's consistent with what I'm seeing. Is there a foolproof way of triggering this if my object's attributes aren't set in stone? | 18:36 |
| kosh | access a method that your object has | 18:37 |
| DerekD | i.e. I don't have an attribute that will always exist at runtime | 18:37 |
| DerekD | ok | 18:37 |
| DerekD | well, I do have __str__(), etc | 18:37 |
| kosh | since your objects are stored in the db don't they all have an id? | 18:37 |
| DerekD | just to give a little more background, let me run through a use case | 18:38 |
| DerekD | it's actually VERY similar to this: http://www.blueskyonmars.com/images/2008/06/examples.html | 18:38 |
| DerekD | it's a decorator pattern-y OOSet of objects of the same class | 18:39 |
| DerekD | on one side, I create a certain number of objects and add them to the OOSet | 18:40 |
| DerekD | these are then retrieved and listed or modified on the other side | 18:40 |
| kosh | if those things all have self.name then just access yourobject.name first | 18:40 |
| DerekD | unfortunately, they may not. they'll have some set of attributes, but the client doesn't necessarily know (or care) which ones | 18:41 |
| DerekD | that was the purpose of __str__() using self.__dict__ | 18:41 |
| DerekD | if I have an object called derek, "print derek.__str_()" successfully populates the dict before returning | 18:43 |
| DerekD | but "print derek" doesn't, even though derek.__str__() is being called | 18:43 |
| DerekD | is there a good way of getting the list of attributes without using __dict__? | 18:55 |
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| kosh | use a standard variable to hold all those attributes like data instead of assigning them like you are | 18:58 |
| kosh | anything you touch __dict__ and it is not for debugging your code is wrong | 18:58 |
| kosh | however I have to get going | 18:58 |
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| DerekD | ok | 19:01 |
| DerekD | thanks | 19:02 |
| kosh | sorry I did not have more time to help for now | 19:02 |
| kosh | organic chemistry is not much fun | 19:03 |
| kosh | have fun freaks | 19:03 |
| kosh | betabug, make sure to prepare for the end of the world, go play some fallout 3 to get ready for next week :) | 19:03 |
| betabug | hahaha | 19:03 |
| * betabug <- not the gamer time | 19:03 | |
| betabug | hf at skool | 19:04 |
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| mgedmin | DerekD, obj._p_activate() | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | will cause a ghost object to be fully loaded | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | actually even hasattr(obj, 'does_not_matter_what') will work | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | when I pdb and do a p obj.__dict__ and see {}, I generally hit up to repeat the line and do p obj.__dict__x | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | just to trigger a load with the minimum number of keystrokes | 19:15 |
| DerekD | hi mgedmin - that's interesting | 19:15 |
| DerekD | so I have 2 options now: change my class to contain all user-defined attributes in a dict, or "bootstrap" the object | 19:16 |
| DerekD | I guess one issue with bootstrapping is that I don't know which function will be the first to attempt to access | 19:17 |
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| tintin | Anyone there? | 20:39 |
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| betabug | sure | 21:18 |
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