| SteveA | so, by default the URLs reflact the way the objects are linked together | 00:00 |
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| SteveA | URLTraversal: IPublishTraverse. in zope/publisher/interfaces/__init__.py | 00:00 |
| regebro | OK, I'll have to read the code again. Sigh. Ah well. | 00:01 |
| SteveA | Object traversal (not specific to particular requests. as used to process page template TALES path expressions): ITraverser from zope/app/traversing/interfaces.py | 00:01 |
| regebro | Thanks for the help, I obviously was barking up a tree in the wrong forest... | 00:01 |
| SteveA | so, to hook directly into URL traversal, provide an IPublishTraverse adapter for the interface your object provides. | 00:01 |
| SteveA | to hook into object traversal, provide an ITraversable adapter for the interface your object provides. | 00:02 |
| SteveA | (I said ITraverser before, but I really meant ITraversable. They're defined in the same module.) | 00:02 |
| SteveA | hope your head feels better soon ;-) | 00:02 |
| regebro | Thanks. | 00:03 |
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| projekt01 | SteveA, ayt? | 02:31 |
| projekt01 | J1m, ayt? | 02:34 |
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| J1m | projekt01, yes, but not for long | 03:04 |
| projekt01 | J1m, Is the issue 85 still open (change metadata to another name)? | 03:06 |
| projekt01 | This issue is asigned to SteveA | 03:06 |
| projekt01 | Long time ago.... | 03:06 |
| J1m | First, it's not critical, so we can ignore it | 03:08 |
| J1m | second, we shoould get rid of it because it is moot. | 03:09 |
| projekt01 | Get rid of the naming? Or the issue? | 03:09 |
| projekt01 | What does moot mean? | 03:10 |
| J1m | Catalogs don't have the data structure they are trying to figure out a name for. | 03:10 |
| J1m | Moot means it doesn't matter. | 03:10 |
| J1m | weird words | 03:10 |
| projekt01 | Ok, this means we can close the issue? right? | 03:10 |
| J1m | yup | 03:11 |
| J1m | :) | 03:11 |
| projekt01 | Cool | 03:11 |
| projekt01 | I was sending some mails about other issues, if you have time tomorrow... | 03:11 |
| projekt01 | There are not important, but some of them are not relevant since different refactorings and could be closed. | 03:12 |
| J1m | I fear I won't, but I'll try | 03:12 |
| projekt01 | Ok | 03:12 |
| J1m | We should focuss on critical bugs | 03:13 |
| projekt01 | How else has the permission and skills for closing issues | 03:13 |
| projekt01 | Yup | 03:13 |
| J1m | I'm waaaay behind and am not having much spare time in the sprints here | 03:13 |
| J1m | This is cool because there are actually around 12 sprints going on at once, in the same 2 rooms | 03:14 |
| projekt01 | But I think we should also cleanup the bugtracker, like now it looks like nobody cares about (at least old issue) | 03:14 |
| J1m | sleep is more urgent :) | 03:14 |
| J1m | I need to go | 03:14 |
| J1m | get some sleep | 03:14 |
| projekt01 | Some issue are assinged since 2003 and nobody is doing something! | 03:14 |
| projekt01 | Ok | 03:14 |
| J1m | I agree that we should clean them up, but we should do so when we have more time. | 03:15 |
| J1m | I'm really pressed for time myself. | 03:15 |
| J1m | good night (morning, whatever) | 03:15 |
| projekt01 | Ok, I know, see you | 03:15 |
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| mp | zope3.css is broken | 04:22 |
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| mp | whoa, someone just fixed it | 04:36 |
| mp | it was fast | 04:36 |
| mp | I'm impressed | 04:36 |
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| viyyer | hi what are the basic requirements for strating zope3 programming guide ? | 07:26 |
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| viyyer | hi .. I have installed zope3 by untarring zope3-3 files on /opt and installed it to /var/zope3 ... where would my zope3 python path be? and how can I add zope3 path for python.. for directly importing zope3 libraries? | 15:26 |
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| Damascene | you install python separately | 15:37 |
| Damascene | it uses the same python that the system is running. | 15:37 |
| viyyer | Damascene, I was using programming_tutorial on zope3 .. | 15:40 |
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| viyyer | It asked me to install this buddydemo on the zope3 python directory.. ? where is this ? | 15:40 |
| Damascene | are you using the release or svn snapshot? | 15:42 |
| viyyer | I'm using the zope3-3 release | 15:43 |
| Damascene | did you make a zope3 instance? | 15:43 |
| Damascene | i believe it's usually in $zope3instancehome/lib/python. | 15:43 |
| Damascene | basically some directory where your PYTHONPATH is pointing to | 15:44 |
| viyyer | Damascene, yes.. !! I have the instance running /var/zope3 | 15:44 |
| Damascene | you can always put it in any directory as lnog as your setup your environment's PYTHONPATH to point to it | 15:44 |
| Damascene | look into /var/zope3 directory.. should be a lib/python subdir? | 15:44 |
| viyyer | Damascene, there is | 15:45 |
| viyyer | it does exist.. | 15:45 |
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| viyyer | Damascene, should I install it right there or.. in a specific sub-dir .. is it matters.. !! and If I want to test it on python.. how should I go about it ? | 15:46 |
| viyyer | oops . there is none.. !! | 15:48 |
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| Damascene | it's the same as using python libs/modules | 15:50 |
| Damascene | the general concept i mean | 15:50 |
| Damascene | of python libraries and modules | 15:50 |
| viyyer | Damascene, when I try importing buddydemo.. it shows an error.. unable to import persistent? | 15:50 |
| Damascene | there might even be a readme.txt file | 15:51 |
| viyyer | yes | 15:51 |
| Damascene | yeah put it in the same directory as that | 15:51 |
| viyyer | the readme talks about how to install distutils based packages into zope instance | 15:52 |
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| viyyer | Damascene, why do I get the eror with importing persistent ? | 15:54 |
| viyyer | should I add zope3 library to python path ? | 15:54 |
| Damascene | yeah you might have to | 15:55 |
| Damascene | but just tryto startup python | 15:55 |
| Damascene | er | 15:55 |
| Damascene | zope3 | 15:55 |
| viyyer | Damascene, it is started... do I need to restart ? | 15:58 |
| Damascene | yeah | 15:59 |
| viyyer | I am able to access it's web interface | 15:59 |
| Damascene | you need to restart when making code changes | 15:59 |
| Damascene | and/or adding new packages | 15:59 |
| Damascene | and you also need to create a buddydemo-configure.zcml in the packages-include folder | 15:59 |
| Damascene | okay i got to go now. sorry. good luck! | 15:59 |
| viyyer | thanks .. lot.. | 16:00 |
| viyyer | thanks a million | 16:00 |
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| SteveA | J1m: hi. do you know if it is possible for an object to be GCed while its __init__ is still being processed ? | 18:10 |
| SteveA | and, have you seen any errors like "SystemError: ../Objects/listobject.c:125: bad argument to internal function" lately ? | 18:11 |
| J1m | I don't think it woul be possible for an object to be GCed while a method is executing. | 18:16 |
| J1m | After all, it would be reachable from a stack frame, and I'm sure executing stack frames are reachable. | 18:16 |
| J1m | Just a sec, here's Tim, I'll conform w him. | 18:16 |
| faassen | even if the stackframe thing isn't going on, there's goig to be a reference to self. | 18:17 |
| faassen | I guess someone could reassign self or del it. :) | 18:17 |
| SteveA | i need to check the __del__ rules again... this thing has a __del__ | 18:18 |
| SteveA | and a __getattr__. and the __del__ and __getattr__ interact. | 18:18 |
| SteveA | argh | 18:18 |
| SteveA | horrible code | 18:18 |
| SteveA | it is the Transaction code from sqlobject's dbconnection code | 18:19 |
| J1m | I won't share everything Tim said. ;) But, basically, he thinks I'm right, | 18:19 |
| faassen | Tim said it depended on the floating point implementatin of your OS. :) | 18:19 |
| SteveA | i started off getting an infinite loop when running my app's testsuite | 18:20 |
| J1m | We haven't seen the system error | 18:20 |
| SteveA | i looked into it, and there's a __getattr__ hook. the first thing this hook does is call a method that checks self._obselete | 18:20 |
| J1m | Tim says don't use __del__ | 18:20 |
| J1m | we've decided to deprecate it | 18:21 |
| faassen | deprecate __del__ in Python? :) | 18:21 |
| J1m | yup | 18:21 |
| SteveA | checking self._obselete causes a call to __getattr__ and a loop, because '_obselete' isn't in self.__dict__. but, the only time this is the case is before line 2 of __init__ | 18:21 |
| SteveA | yay | 18:21 |
| faassen | I never use __del__ myself. | 18:21 |
| SteveA | i never use __del__ | 18:21 |
| J1m | I doubt that anyone will listen to us though ;) | 18:21 |
| faassen | hey, this time I'll listen to you guys! | 18:21 |
| SteveA | you have four supporters here | 18:21 |
| faassen | del __del__! | 18:21 |
| faassen | I can probably convince Guido of it too. | 18:22 |
| faassen | unfortunately it'll be one of our Guidos here at Infrae. | 18:23 |
| SteveA | convince gudio. i still have his business card | 18:23 |
| J1m | Tim says that somehow, someone has passed a non list to PyList_Size | 18:23 |
| J1m | Does your app have any C code? | 18:23 |
| SteveA | hmm, interesting. | 18:23 |
| SteveA | none of its own. | 18:23 |
| SteveA | it does use various libraries | 18:23 |
| SteveA | like the ones in zope3, psycopg database adapter | 18:24 |
| J1m | You could put a gdb breakpoint on that line, let it stop, and see who's calling it with that arg | 18:24 |
| SteveA | looks like i need to make a debug build, and see what i can do | 18:24 |
| SteveA | unfortunately, the error occurs intermittently | 18:24 |
| J1m | you don't need a special build to use gdb | 18:24 |
| SteveA | okay | 18:25 |
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| SteveA | thanks tim and jim. i'll see what's up. | 18:25 |
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| SteveA | oh wait... there's a SystemError raised during __init__, so the instance is immediately ready for GC | 18:34 |
| SteveA | that explains the problem with __del__ and __getattr__ | 18:34 |
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| anto9us | does zope3 have postgresql support? | 19:48 |
| Damascene | yes | 19:48 |
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| anto9us | great! is it native or an addon? | 19:48 |
| Damascene | well technically everythign is a little add-on. but there is a psycopgda adapter/package | 19:49 |
| anto9us | the same one that's used with zope 2? | 19:49 |
| Damascene | you just need psycopg (python postgres driver) | 19:49 |
| Damascene | no, i'm pretty suer it is not. but you can pull it from the SVN | 19:49 |
| Damascene | iirc | 19:49 |
| anto9us | will it work on windows? | 19:50 |
| Damascene | maybe. i don't use windows with zope3. | 19:51 |
| anto9us | thanks, I'll take a look at the SVN, not used it before though, I'm a bit of a newbie | 19:52 |
| Damascene | maybe it's in a package. let me see | 19:54 |
| anto9us | is gadfly ACID compliant do you know? | 19:55 |
| anto9us | it may be a better option to port my database | 19:55 |
| Damascene | i'm kind of a newbie myself. but maybe you can manuallyd ownload the files. ;( | 19:56 |
| Damascene | http://svn.zope.org/ | 19:56 |
| Damascene | nto sure on gadfly | 19:56 |
| anto9us | another thing, does zope3 have ssl support? | 19:58 |
| efge | anto9us: gadfly is a toy database, not something for production | 19:58 |
| anto9us | thanks efge | 19:58 |
| anto9us | well, getting zope3 installed and running on my winxp based laptop was easy :D | 20:00 |
| anto9us | what's the easiest frontend to SVN on windows? | 20:07 |
| d2m | http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ | 20:08 |
| anto9us | d2m: do I need the webprojects version? | 20:10 |
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| Damascene | do you guys use a normal text editor to do coding or an advanced IDE? | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | gvim | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | takes some time to learn, but is worth the investment | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | tags and keyword completion are killer features | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | emacs is also good in the same way (needs learning, worth the effort), but also completely different | 20:18 |
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| Damascene | acutally, i use vim right now | 20:21 |
| Damascene | or ultraedit under windows (but i do have gvim as wel) | 20:21 |
| Damascene | although i dont' thnk i'm familiar with 'tags' | 20:21 |
| Damascene | i'll try to exploit more of vim's features then | 20:23 |
| Damascene | thanks for the advice | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | Damascene, take a brief look at http://mg.pov.lt/blog/hacking-tools.html | 20:23 |
| Damascene | ah, seems like i better use 'gvim' more than just vim alone | 20:24 |
| _projekt01 | damascene, I use ultra edit ;- | 20:31 |
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| Damascene | _projekt01: i've never tried to use ultraedit for 'project' development. i'm quite pleased it even has a ctags option | 20:32 |
| _projekt01 | Yup, I use cTags in uEdit | 20:33 |
| _projekt01 | You can find it here: http://ctags.sourceforge.net/tools.html | 20:34 |
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| anto9us | has anyone managed to get psycopgda running with the latest zope3 on win32? | 21:04 |
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| anto9us | zope3 fails to start, I'm getting an error when trying to runzope - AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'new_type' | 21:08 |
| Damascene | anto9us: you also need psycopg installed | 21:09 |
| Damascene | psycopgdb is kind of like an adapter for zope3 + psycopg | 21:09 |
| Damascene | maybe you should see if you have psycopg installed as well? | 21:10 |
| anto9us | I see, thanks :) | 21:10 |
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| mgedmin | yippee, full zope 3 starts up in 4 seconds on my new laptop | 21:38 |
| J1m|away | Did you get a new laptop? :) | 21:40 |
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| * mgedmin nods | 21:41 | |
| mgedmin | a T42 | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | a quick question: | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | can I change an attribute of a persistent object and commit the transaction from a PostMortemDebuggingHTTPServer prompt? | 21:42 |
| * mgedmin tried, and it didn't work | 21:42 | |
| Damascene | mgedmin: re T42, NICE laptop. i got the wimpy T41 myself. | 21:42 |
| alga | Whoo, what a joy indeed | 21:44 |
| alga | 5.9 seconds for me | 21:44 |
| * alga got an X40 | 21:44 | |
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| tvon|desk | alga: nice | 22:29 |
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| alga | yeah :-) giving my old X20 for my wife to use | 22:34 |
| alga | after the hinges are replaced. again. | 22:34 |
| tvon | my x31 needs a few repairs. last x20 I saw was built like a brick (in a good way) | 22:34 |
| tvon | girl who owned it had dropped it countless times.. pcmcia slot was all crooked.. still ran fine | 22:35 |
| anto9us | can anyone tell how to get psycopgda working on win32? | 22:39 |
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| anto9us | or point me in the right direction? | 22:40 |
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| anto9us_ | ghost anto9us | 23:08 |
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| WebMaven | hi zopepaul | 23:21 |
| WebMaven | Greetings from PyCon | 23:21 |
| zopepaul | WebMaven: hi | 23:23 |
| * zopepaul wished he was at pycon...well, not really, wished pycon were here :) | 23:23 | |
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