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| bradb | i'm trying to register a custom display widget. in my browser:schemadisplay directive, i've got: | 19:52 |
| bradb | <browser:widget | 19:52 |
| bradb | field="bugdescription" | 19:52 |
| bradb | class="canonical.launchpad.browser.widgets.BugDescriptionDisplayWidget" /> | 19:52 |
| bradb | when trying to start my z3 instance though, i get: | 19:52 |
| bradb | ConfigurationError: ('Invalid directive', u'widget') | 19:52 |
| bradb | i expected it to not raise an exception. why did it raise an exception instead of simply registering my custom display widget like i asked? | 19:53 |
| mexiKON | no browser: namesapce | 19:55 |
| mexiKON | simply use <widget ... /> | 19:55 |
| bradb | ouch | 19:55 |
| bradb | so, for edit forms you use browser: but /not/ for schemadisplays? :) | 19:55 |
| mexiKON | huh? | 19:56 |
| mexiKON | <browser:editform ...><widget ... /></browser:editform> | 19:56 |
| mexiKON | tyhat's what i always use | 19:57 |
| mexiKON | same with addform | 19:57 |
| bradb | i use browser:widget | 19:57 |
| mexiKON | oh | 19:57 |
| mexiKON | hmm | 19:57 |
| mexiKON | i c now, you want schemadisplay | 19:57 |
| mexiKON | does schemadisplay even support the widget subdirective? | 19:57 |
| bradb | it's documented that it does, yes | 19:57 |
| mexiKON | hmm, it does, indeed | 19:57 |
| mexiKON | weird | 19:57 |
| mexiKON | bradb, will you be at EP? | 19:58 |
| bradb | not this year, unfortunately. :) too much work to do + moving into a new place right now. | 19:59 |
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| mexiKON | ic | 20:00 |
| mexiKON | too bad | 20:00 |
| elbixio | hi, are pluggableauth and pau related or do they provide completly different functionality? | 20:03 |
| mexiKON | pluggableauth is x3.0 | 20:04 |
| mexiKON | pau is 3.1 | 20:04 |
| mexiKON | those numbers are zope versions in case you're wondering | 20:04 |
| elbixio | :O | 20:04 |
| mexiKON | so, yes, they provide the same functionaity | 20:04 |
| mexiKON | pluggableauth will be deprecated with zope 3.1 | 20:05 |
| elbixio | but if i try to use Zope trunk i could use pau | 20:05 |
| mexiKON | yep | 20:08 |
| mexiKON | you really should | 20:08 |
| elbixio | ok, i'll read the apidoc, thanks philipp | 20:08 |
| mexiKON | np | 20:10 |
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| mexiKON | hi J1m | 20:16 |
| mexiKON | do you have a minute? i would like to talk to you about a testing issue i have | 20:16 |
| J1m | k | 20:18 |
| J1m | mexiKON, what's up? | 20:19 |
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| mexiKON | J1m, so | 20:21 |
| mexiKON | J1m, it's about Five | 20:21 |
| mexiKON | Five has >70 tests now | 20:21 |
| mexiKON | we used to do testing like this: there was a "FiveTest" product that had all the mock objects; tests would play around with those | 20:22 |
| mexiKON | of course, this makes tests neither atomic nor is it easy to refactor. it's also harder and harder to add more tests because "FiveTest" grew | 20:22 |
| mexiKON | so got rid of FiveTest | 20:22 |
| mexiKON | problem is this: | 20:22 |
| J1m | 70? | 20:22 |
| mexiKON | yup | 20:23 |
| mexiKON | more than 70 | 20:23 |
| J1m | That's not very many | 20:23 |
| mexiKON | it isn't | 20:23 |
| mexiKON | but the number will increase | 20:23 |
| mexiKON | i hope | 20:23 |
| mexiKON | that's my goal at least | 20:23 |
| J1m | So what is wrong with unit tests? | 20:23 |
| mexiKON | so i want to make sure we do it right | 20:23 |
| mexiKON | problem is this: | 20:23 |
| mexiKON | it's hard to not make a unit test an integration test in Zope 2 | 20:24 |
| mexiKON | that's just the way tests are in Zope 2 | 20:24 |
| mexiKON | or, rather, ZopeTestCase-based tests | 20:24 |
| mexiKON | so, most tests rely on Five's ZCML being executed | 20:25 |
| mexiKON | because they need the services, etc. etc. | 20:25 |
| J1m | I'm not sure I believe that. I was able to make unit tests for ZClasses. | 20:25 |
| J1m | well, that's not entirely true | 20:25 |
| J1m | anyway, go ahead with your question. | 20:25 |
| mexiKON | we have *some* unit tests | 20:25 |
| mexiKON | but very few | 20:26 |
| mexiKON | if you want test stuff like Five-based traversal, it's hard to test w/o the object actually in the whole Zope 2 context | 20:26 |
| mexiKON | so, most tests need Five ZCML being executed, also becaus ethey themselves would like to execute some ZCML so they want the metadirectives to be active | 20:27 |
| mexiKON | of course, by loading custom ZCML, each test case also loads stuff | 20:27 |
| mexiKON | we want this to be cleaned up | 20:27 |
| mexiKON | cleanup after every test and reexecuting Five's ZCML + some custom ZCML is very very very slow | 20:27 |
| mexiKON | i thought of doing setUp/tearDown before adn after every test *suite* | 20:28 |
| J1m | You should look at the layer support in my new test runner | 20:28 |
| mexiKON | but, alas, the test runner grabs the individual test cases and puts them into itsown suite | 20:28 |
| mexiKON | layer support... hmm. how does that work and help me? | 20:28 |
| J1m | (My new test runner is being used for ZODB 3.4, and will be used for Zope 2.9 and 3.2) | 20:28 |
| mexiKON | cool | 20:28 |
| J1m | Look at the documentation first. :) | 20:29 |
| mexiKON | note that this is Zope 2.7 in the wrost case | 20:29 |
| mexiKON | ok | 20:29 |
| mexiKON | are you sure that the zope 2.7 test runner has this? | 20:29 |
| J1m | http://svn.zope.org/zope.testing/trunk/src/zope/testing/testrunner.txt?rev=30503&view=markup | 20:29 |
| J1m | No, Zope 2.7 doesn't have this. | 20:30 |
| J1m | Now does Zope 2.8 or 3.1 | 20:30 |
| J1m | Nor does Zope 2.8 or 3.1 | 20:30 |
| J1m | Is Five limited to the Zope 2.7 test runner? | 20:30 |
| mexiKON | well, we need a Zope 2.7 solution | 20:30 |
| mexiKON | well, Five is at least included in Zope 2.8, so we're limited to what Zope 2.8 has | 20:31 |
| J1m | I wonder if that is strictly necessary | 20:31 |
| mexiKON | you want to be able to run all the tests in a Zope 2.8 release with its rest runner, right? | 20:31 |
| J1m | It would be nice | 20:31 |
| J1m | alternatively you could use the same trick the Z3 functional tests currently use. | 20:32 |
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| mexiKON | what's that? | 20:32 |
| J1m | They have a separate setup thing that they run once. | 20:32 |
| J1m | It's a bit of a hack | 20:32 |
| J1m | But the set up runs the first time a functional test runs | 20:32 |
| J1m | That may not work for you though | 20:33 |
| mexiKON | well, that's what sorta have now | 20:33 |
| mexiKON | i want tesets to be more atomic, though | 20:33 |
| J1m | Z3 knows to run the functional tests after the unit tests. | 20:33 |
| J1m | I thought you wanted to share setup? | 20:33 |
| mexiKON | between the tests of one test suite | 20:33 |
| mexiKON | yes | 20:33 |
| mexiKON | take a doctest, for example | 20:33 |
| mexiKON | lots of tests, one setUp/tearDown | 20:33 |
| mexiKON | (I want to convert more stuff to doctests, too) | 20:34 |
| J1m | Another problem is that ZCML doesn't provide any facilities for tearing down. | 20:34 |
| J1m | It might be nice if it did. | 20:34 |
| mexiKON | well, what i do is this: | 20:34 |
| mexiKON | i load zcml, but don't execute actions | 20:35 |
| mexiKON | no, wait, i used to do that | 20:35 |
| mexiKON | never mind | 20:35 |
| mexiKON | what i do is: | 20:35 |
| mexiKON | to setUp, i load the zcml | 20:35 |
| mexiKON | to tearDown, i use placelesssetup.tearDown | 20:35 |
| mexiKON | all the services gone -> all zcml is gone | 20:35 |
| J1m | some z3 zcml modified module globals. | 20:36 |
| J1m | some z3 zcml modifies module globals. | 20:36 |
| mexiKON | yes, and some <five: /> directives monkey patch classes | 20:36 |
| mexiKON | but that's a minor glitch | 20:36 |
| mexiKON | a glitch that even Zope 3 doesnt' cope with | 20:36 |
| mexiKON | unless you have explicit tearDown | 20:36 |
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| J1m | It does in the case of functional tests by running them last. | 20:37 |
| mexiKON | true | 20:37 |
| J1m | do you have a question? :) | 20:38 |
| mexiKON | i'm pondering | 20:38 |
| mexiKON | it's not obvious for me what to do | 20:38 |
| mexiKON | i guess i should a) convert as much to doctests | 20:38 |
| mexiKON | and b) try to minimize the amount of config needed for a test case so that individual and atomic setup/teardown isn't so expensive | 20:39 |
| J1m | You could probably design a test suite that has it's own suite-based setUp and tearDown. | 20:39 |
| mexiKON | i did that already | 20:39 |
| mexiKON | it works when running each test module individually | 20:39 |
| mexiKON | python2.3 tests/test_foobar.py | 20:39 |
| mexiKON | however, the zope test runner ignores the custom test suite, it uses a bulk one and inserts the tests into that | 20:40 |
| J1m | I guess that's true. So does mine, now that you mention it. | 20:42 |
| J1m | I don't have any ideas for you off the top of my head. | 20:43 |
| J1m | And I need to get back to thinking about multi-database zope 3 apps :) | 20:43 |
| mexiKON | ok :) | 20:49 |
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| projekt01 | Hi together, I'll working on the nested menu implementation for the Boston skin right now. | 22:28 |
| projekt01 | Does anybody has a better idea then using the javasript "IE7" for build nested dropdown menus | 22:29 |
| projekt01 | Otherwise I will implement it like here: | 22:30 |
| projekt01 | D:\prototype\menu\version_2\index.html | 22:30 |
| projekt01 | Ok, that was the wrong copy/paste | 22:30 |
| projekt01 | http://www.kundenprojekt.ch/demo/index.html | 22:30 |
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