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| J1m | srichter, ayt? | 00:13 |
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| srichter | J1m: yep | 00:14 |
| J1m | Wanna announce 3.2.0 final later? | 00:14 |
| srichter | sure | 00:14 |
| J1m | I'm waiting for Tim to test the windows release. | 00:14 |
| srichter | ok | 00:14 |
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| J1m | The files are uploaded and I've updated the wiki pages. | 00:14 |
| srichter | cool, though I have not got my Wiki E-mail notification yet | 00:15 |
| J1m | http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage/Downloads | 00:15 |
| J1m | :) | 00:15 |
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| J1m | I simplified the page a bit. | 00:16 |
| srichter | yep, looking at it now | 00:16 |
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| srichter | ok | 00:17 |
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| J1m | srichter, the releases are ready. | 01:05 |
| J1m | Do you know what I have to change to make 3.2 show up as the stable release on: | 01:05 |
| J1m | http://www.zope.org/Products | 01:06 |
| J1m | ? | 01:06 |
| WebMaven | J1m I'll take a look. | 01:06 |
| J1m | I think I have to edit a variable somewhere. ;) | 01:07 |
| J1m | found it | 01:07 |
| d2m | J1m: sorry, just changed it (http://www.zope.org/Products/manage_propertiesForm) | 01:07 |
| J1m | Yeah, but it doesn't show up on the page for me. | 01:08 |
| J1m | :) | 01:08 |
| d2m | reloading the page did it for me | 01:08 |
| J1m | OK, as long as you can see it, I'm happy. :) | 01:09 |
| WebMaven | Unless I'm missing something, I see it. | 01:09 |
| J1m | Sigh | 01:09 |
| WebMaven | 'Download Zope3 3.2.0final the current Zope3 stable release' | 01:09 |
| J1m | ah, y'all are probably logged in. :) | 01:09 |
| WebMaven | Ah, different problem. Make sure the release is published. | 01:10 |
| * jenner sees http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3/3.2.0final | 01:10 | |
| WebMaven | I'll log out to see if I can duplicate the problem. | 01:11 |
| J1m | The release was published. | 01:11 |
| J1m | I could see it if I went to the Zope 3 area | 01:12 |
| d2m | WebMaven: that part of the page is really driven by a folder property, updates to the text are manual | 01:12 |
| d2m | J1m: please check with the server people on the current cache settings | 01:12 |
| WebMaven | oh, wierd... | 01:12 |
| srichter | J1m: ok | 01:13 |
| WebMaven | d2m: although while logged in I saw the correct release listed, as Anonymous the release listed is still 3.1 | 01:13 |
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| J1m | I think we only cache pages for anonymous users | 01:14 |
| jenner | WebMaven: where is it listed as 3.1? | 01:14 |
| jenner | 3.2.0final Stable 2006-01-05 18:04:1 | 01:14 |
| WebMaven | jenner: http://www.zope.org/Products/ | 01:14 |
| jenner | Oh, right | 01:14 |
| srichter | yep, when I was anonymous, I saw 3.1, once I logged in 3.2 | 01:15 |
| J1m | Well, I'm sure the cache will time out soon enough. | 01:15 |
| jenner | Uah, this sentence is really obsolete: "If you are currently using a Zope release older than 2.2, be sure to read Upgrading to Zope 2.2.0 for important upgrading information" | 01:15 |
| J1m | :) | 01:15 |
| d2m | J1m: the SWRelease is not shown on the frontpgae because the 'Effectivedate' is missing from the entry | 01:15 |
| jenner | upgrading from 2.2 to 3.2 :) | 01:16 |
| J1m | d2m, and also it's Thursday. | 01:16 |
| WebMaven | Thursday? | 01:17 |
| J1m | WebMaven, yeah, and the wind is blowing from the east. | 01:18 |
| J1m | It never works then. | 01:18 |
| WebMaven | effective date updated to today. | 01:19 |
| J1m | So is that supposed to help? :) | 01:19 |
| WebMaven | Yes. It's now listed on the front page. | 01:20 |
| d2m | ZODB was the same it seams | 01:21 |
| J1m | WebMaven, try logging out. | 01:21 |
| WebMaven | I assume that the cache still hasn't expired. | 01:21 |
| J1m | No I can't get to it anymore. | 01:22 |
| J1m | now | 01:22 |
| J1m | Can you set the effective date to yesterday? | 01:22 |
| WebMaven | No, wait, I see the problem, you retracted the Zope 3 folder... | 01:23 |
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| J1m | Uggh | 01:23 |
| J1m | I just republished it. | 01:23 |
| d2m | J1m: "3.2.0final (3.2.0final)" is now under Pructs for Anonymous, but it depends on the instance you are looking at | 01:24 |
| J1m | ^*%$%$' | 01:24 |
| WebMaven | um. so did I. | 01:24 |
| J1m | OK, let's stop. :) | 01:25 |
| d2m | heh, just wait an hour and check again | 01:25 |
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| WebMaven | J1m: he means that the cache hasn't expired from all zeo clients yet, I think. | 01:25 |
| J1m | you mean cache servers. | 01:26 |
| J1m | (The ZEO caches are up to date.) | 01:26 |
| WebMaven | There are multiple cache servers? | 01:26 |
| J1m | Yes, I believe so. | 01:27 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. OK. | 01:27 |
| WebMaven | In any case, everything should now be published, have a current effective date, and should soon display the latest correct info even for Anonymous users. | 01:28 |
| J1m | I don't think the effective date matters. | 01:28 |
| WebMaven | It does for listing on the front page, I think. | 01:28 |
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| J1m | No, that's just a property insertion. | 01:30 |
| srichter | the effective date matters; WebMaven is right | 01:30 |
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| srichter | it is important for the front page listing as asserted above | 01:30 |
| WebMaven | Wow. I'm right. That's never hapened before. | 01:30 |
| WebMaven | J1m: it's possible we're talking at cross-purposes. the effective date is important for list on http://www.zope.org/, the property is used to show the release in the /Products page. | 01:32 |
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| WebMaven | So, everyone looking forward to PyCon? | 01:36 |
| srichter | I will probably not make it :-( | 01:37 |
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| * jenner loves events | 03:05 | |
| WebMaven | Ah, but events love subscribers, and subscribers love jenner. A Zope 3 love triangle! | 03:10 |
| jenner | :) | 03:10 |
| jenner | Seriously, as soon as you find out how they work you don't want to miss them anymore | 03:11 |
| WebMaven | Now a major motion picture starring Adam Sandler as Jenner, Angelina Jolie as Events, and Salma Hayek as Subscribers. | 03:12 |
| jenner | I've got a photo with scaled variants (thumbnail, icon, normal, huge etc), now if I transpose a photo using a utility (yay, I know how they work too) I trigger an event and a subscriber invalidates all those variants | 03:12 |
| WebMaven | Cool. | 03:12 |
| jenner | btw, I like the above casting :) | 03:13 |
| WebMaven | heh. | 03:14 |
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| eins | hi all | 08:07 |
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| baiju | Any idea whether Zope 3.2.0 final is officially released? Anyway, I put it for digging here : http://digg.com/programming/Zope_3.2.0_final_released_ | 08:20 |
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| jenner | guys, is there a ready-to-go messaging API (for displaying warnings, notifications etc. in ZMI)? | 15:19 |
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| marwin | hi guys | 15:23 |
| marwin | i'm learning zope3... just installed psycopgda, which works fine. | 15:23 |
| marwin | now i'm trying to make a dtml-document (ZPT works yet) | 15:23 |
| marwin | shouldn't something like that work? | 15:24 |
| marwin | <dtml-in "context.select_items_sql"><dtml-var name></dtml-in> | 15:24 |
| MacYET | and what happens? | 15:24 |
| MacYET | contect.select_items_sql is not a valid expression | 15:24 |
| marwin | NameError: name 'context' is not defined | 15:24 |
| MacYET | neither a path expression nor a python: expression | 15:24 |
| marwin | <dtml-in "path: select_items_sql"> | 15:26 |
| marwin | something like that? | 15:26 |
| MacYET | why do you guess instead reading docs? :-) | 15:27 |
| MacYET | context/method | 15:27 |
| marwin | is there a documentation about that dtml syntax? i searched all morning but didn't find anything | 15:27 |
| MacYET | python: context.method() | 15:27 |
| MacYET | ups, dtml | 15:27 |
| MacYET | forget it | 15:27 |
| MacYET | why dtml? | 15:27 |
| MacYET | nobody uses DTML | 15:27 |
| MacYET | especially not in Zope 3 | 15:27 |
| MacYET | use ZPT | 15:27 |
| MacYET | ZPT is the way to go | 15:28 |
| MacYET | DTML NOT | 15:28 |
| marwin | if i would develope something new, i would take zpt... but we have existing ugly dtml-webpages... and i have the job to evaluate if it is possible to migrate ... | 15:30 |
| MacYET | then it is likely the same as in Zope 2 | 15:30 |
| marwin | is there a zope3 dtml documentation? | 15:30 |
| MacYET | dtml is dtml | 15:30 |
| marwin | not really... if I have html-tags in it, the tags are displayed instead of interpreted by the browser. | 15:32 |
| MacYET | *Üshrug* | 15:32 |
| marwin | and if i want to include a file with <dtml-var file> it doesn't work | 15:32 |
| MacYET | post to zope3-users | 15:32 |
| srichter | marwin: don't expect any support for DTML in Zope 3 | 15:41 |
| MacYET | srichter: kick dtml | 15:44 |
| srichter | :-) | 15:44 |
| srichter | well, we still want it for SQL script support | 15:44 |
| srichter | there is also a very old proposal in the wikis about DTML 2 | 15:45 |
| MacYET | then kick the dtml document | 15:45 |
| MacYET | :-) nobody needs and wants dtml | 15:45 |
| MacYET | ups, i am on zope3-dev | 15:45 |
| MacYET | i wanted to be on z3-base | 15:45 |
| MacYET | damn | 15:45 |
| srichter | it is probably not a bad idea | 15:46 |
| srichter | on the other hand, once we have a TTW development story for Zope 3, it might become interesting again | 15:46 |
| d2m | very good idea, you could remove everything except folder, file and image -- all other content types should be configured by the user | 15:47 |
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| srichter | all content types, including file and image are for demo purposes only right now | 15:56 |
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| jenner | so, there's no notification system right now, right? | 16:11 |
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| srichter | jenner: what is a notification system? | 16:15 |
| jenner | srichter: something wich would pass messages (errors/warnings) to a view | 16:15 |
| jenner | s.th. like | 16:16 |
| jenner | try: | 16:16 |
| jenner | doSomethingDangerous() | 16:16 |
| jenner | except SomeException: | 16:16 |
| jenner | notify(MyNotificationEvent(level=MyNotificationEvent.error, SomeException)) | 16:16 |
| srichter | this is an application task | 16:16 |
| jenner | and an adapter which would inject the messages into a viewlet | 16:16 |
| srichter | so do | 16:16 |
| srichter | try: | 16:16 |
| srichter | something() | 16:16 |
| srichter | except SomeException: | 16:17 |
| srichter | self.error_view = zapi.getMultiAdapter((error, self.request), Interface) | 16:17 |
| srichter | where self is the view | 16:17 |
| srichter | in the template you can then display the error message using | 16:18 |
| srichter | <tal:block replace="structure view/error_view" /> | 16:18 |
| jenner | but what if I do this something() outside of a view (e.g. in a utility) | 16:19 |
| * jenner tries to misuse the events first | 16:20 | |
| srichter | then have your view catch that error | 16:20 |
| jenner | I'd like to have a stack which would contain all messages/warnings/infos which might happen while a view is called... anyway, I'll try to create a more general solution first, I can still fall back to <tal:block replace="structure view/error_view" /> if that fails :) | 16:22 |
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| jenner | guys, is there a way to query some interface related info "through" a security proxy? like iface.providedBy(proxiedObj)? | 21:20 |
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| benji | you can always remove the proxy first | 21:30 |
| J1m | Ijenner, have you tried it? I believe it should work. | 21:33 |
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| J1m | s/Ijenner/jenner | 21:33 |
| jenner | benji: yes, but I have a bad feeling about this :) | 21:34 |
| benji | :) | 21:36 |
| jenner | hm, seems to work, must be s.th. else then :) | 21:42 |
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