| RaFromBRC | hmm... i'm not seeing an 'order' argument in the field constructor... i'm using the Z3.2 that ships w/ Z2.9, maybe 'order' as a constructor argument was added later? | 00:00 |
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| volvox | if you are going to the list, i would give my left arm to somebody commenting my "list woes" post of this morning. it's got me in a hole i can't exit | 00:00 |
| rocky | benji: ah, the eternal question, to do or to argue... and i so love arguing ... ;) | 00:01 |
| volvox | (it's a very nice arm, can send a photo) | 00:02 |
| rocky | lol | 00:03 |
| rocky | volvox: you're marco mariani ? | 00:04 |
| volvox | yep | 00:04 |
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| romanofski | moin | 06:32 |
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| alecm | anybody know if there's a good reason why the sort method of zope.viewlet.manager.ViewletManagerBase compares the actual viewlet instances, rather than their names, or some other sane-ish thing? | 07:12 |
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| eins | hi all | 11:47 |
| romanofski | hey eins :) | 11:52 |
| eins | hey romanofski | 12:10 |
| eins | whats up? | 12:10 |
| romanofski | doing well - how are you? | 12:10 |
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| eins | romanofski passed 2 exams today :) | 12:37 |
| eins | so doing also well ;) | 12:37 |
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| romanofski | eins: gratulations! | 13:36 |
| eins | thanks;) | 13:45 |
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| mgedmin | so, if a user has a file with a non-ASCII character (or several) | 13:54 |
| mgedmin | and he uploads that file with a web form | 13:54 |
| mgedmin | what is supposed to happen to the non-ASCII character in the filename in the mime headers that zope 3 sees? | 13:54 |
| * mgedmin googles | 13:56 | |
| * mgedmin discovers a reference to RFC 1867 "Form-based File Upload in HTML" | 13:56 | |
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| mgedmin | rfc 1867 says that in mime headers filenames (and other non-ascii values) ought to be encoded with RFC 1522 | 14:00 |
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| mgedmin | ... which means =?q?utf-8?lalalala=xx=yy=zzlalala?= as far as I can see ... | 14:01 |
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| * mgedmin experiments | 14:11 | |
| mgedmin | zope 3 views get utf-8 filenames, both with Firefox on Linux and MSIE on Windows | 14:12 |
| mgedmin | good | 14:12 |
| mgedmin | although Unicode would be better | 14:12 |
| rocky | that statement doesn't make sense | 14:13 |
| rocky | you can't compare utf-8 to unicode | 14:13 |
| mgedmin | in Python there is a definitive difference between u"\u263B" and "\xe2\x98\xbb" | 14:16 |
| mgedmin | one is unicode, the other is UTF-8 str | 14:16 |
| rocky | sure | 14:16 |
| rocky | did you know that a unicode string (in python) is actually just a utf-8 encoded binary string ? | 14:16 |
| mgedmin | request.form['fieldname'].filename gives me an str in UTF-8, when fieldname refers to an uploaded file field | 14:16 |
| rocky | utf-8 is an encoding | 14:16 |
| rocky | unicode is a characater set | 14:16 |
| rocky | utf-8 is an encoding for the unicode character set | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | rocky: Python stores unicode objects as UCS-2 or UCS-4 internally | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | not UTF-8 | 14:17 |
| rocky | bah | 14:17 |
| rocky | you're right | 14:17 |
| rocky | sorry | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | but that does not matter | 14:17 |
| rocky | i'm going to shut up now.. didn't realize the context of your question | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | to the application a unicode object is definitely different from a str object with 8-bit characters that just happen to be valid UTF-8 | 14:17 |
| rocky | you were saying it would be better to get a unicode "object" back | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | and this results in UnicodeEncodeErrors when you try to upload a file with a non-ascii filename into zope 3 | 14:18 |
| rocky | i thought you were saying that in your browser you were getting utf-8 filenames and wish you were getting unicode ones | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | yes | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | J1m has left... | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | any zope 3 core architects here? | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | would things break if zope.publisher.browser.FileUpload was changed so that its 'filename' attribute was a unicode object? | 14:19 |
| * mgedmin will write a message to the mailing list | 14:19 | |
| BjornT | mgedmin: fwiw, i think converting it to a unicode strings is the right thing to do. if the request contains a mixture of unicode and str strings, things break elsewhere | 14:20 |
| * rocky agrees ... not that that means much given his confused discussion with mgedmin | 14:23 | |
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| * mgedmin files http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/648 | 14:53 | |
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| * BjornT points mgedmin to http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/593 | 15:13 | |
| mgedmin | BjornT: thanks, but why didn't I see that bug when I searched for 'upload'? | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | does the collector search match only whole words? | 15:18 |
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| BjornT | probably, and it probably doesn't have a nice "stem matching" either | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | I cannot resolve svn.zope.org! | 15:27 |
| volvox | 63.240.213.173 | 15:28 |
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| baijum | Can anyone look here: http://zope3.pastebin.com/708416 I was simple copy pasting README.txt in zope.annotation . What 'Could not adapt' ? | 16:20 |
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| baijum | s/What/Why | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | because you did not register the IAnnotations adapter on IAttributeAnnotatable | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | zope.app.testing.setup.setUpAnnotations() does that, IIRC | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | from zope.annotation.attribute import AttributeAnnotations | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | zope.component.provideAdapter(AttributeAnnotations) | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | that's it | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | I don't know offhand what zope.annotation.factory is | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | ah, I think I know | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | baijum: just register the AttributeAnnotations adapter in addition to the one you are already registering | 16:25 |
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| baijum | mgedmin, thanks! will try now | 16:29 |
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| baijum | I updated what worked for me at bottom of http://zope3.pastebin.com/708454 | 16:39 |
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| baijum | I read zope.annotation README.txt now, there is three typos, please commit it. http://zope3.pastebin.com/708484 or should I report a collector issue with patch? | 16:58 |
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| * mgedmin wants to have runzope and debugzope on the same data.fs at the same time... | 17:18 | |
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| philiKON | mgedmin, use zeo | 17:22 |
| philiKON | setup a zeo server with your data.fs | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | that's an idea | 17:22 |
| philiKON | use one zeo client as runzope | 17:22 |
| philiKON | and the other one for debugzope | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | I wish I remembered how to set up zeo | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | last time I did that maybe 4 years ago | 17:23 |
| philiKON | mkzeoinstance | 17:23 |
| philiKON | to create a zeo server instance | 17:23 |
| philiKON | of course, you could also just do it all in the zope 3 checkout | 17:23 |
| philiKON | no idea how you're working | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | checkout | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | it's simpler that way (for me) | 17:23 |
| philiKON | right | 17:23 |
| philiKON | bin/runzeo | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | but it's all a matter of zope.conf etc, isn't it? | 17:24 |
| philiKON | to start the zeo server | 17:24 |
| philiKON | or bin/zeoctl start | 17:24 |
| philiKON | right, then you need to change your zope.conf from filestorage to clientstorage | 17:24 |
| philiKON | zope.conf.in has an example | 17:24 |
| philiKON | at leat it should | 17:24 |
| philiKON | hmm, zopeskel/etc/zope.conf.in has one | 17:25 |
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| * mgedmin has always distrusted local components | 17:26 | |
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| philiKON | mgedmin, you can still use local components in debugzope | 17:27 |
| philiKON | try zope.app.compoennt.hooks.setSite :) | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | yes, but somewhere along the line my invisible pain threshold is crossed | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | and I switch from "let me just quickly do this from a python prompt" mode | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | to "let me write a proper view for that" mode | 17:28 |
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| philiKON | mgedmin, :) | 17:30 |
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| volvox | zope.app.securitypolicy.principalrole.principalRoleManager does not contain roles assigned via zcml, right? how do I retrieve them? | 20:10 |
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