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| pcardune | So, i'm starting to do some stuff wtih digital photo's and zope. digital images begin to take up tons of space especially when "deleting" them doesn't actually remove them from the zodb. Is there a way I can get the ZODB to not store old transactions for certain objects? | 04:04 |
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| pcardune | hmmm, blobs look interesting. I guess I will have to wait until they are supported in the main zodb branch. | 04:18 |
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| romanofski | moin | 10:02 |
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| baiju1 | so, 3.3 beta2 delayed? | 11:05 |
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| baijum_ | a daily/weekly build tar ball will be good for Zope 3, anything like that exist? | 11:34 |
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| philiKON | Theuni, ping | 12:36 |
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| philiKON | guys: when shall we have the next bugday? | 13:31 |
| philiKON | next thursday ok? | 13:31 |
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| philiKON | faasse1, did you port your fix for 534 to the 3.3 branch yet? | 13:46 |
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| philiKON | faasse1, ping | 13:59 |
| kobold | philiKON: hi, sorry for the disturb.. I sent you an email about a new account on codespeak for the SQLOS project. | 14:01 |
| kobold | well, probably jinty forwarded it because my original mail was rejected my the mailing list software. | 14:01 |
| philiKON | yup | 14:01 |
| philiKON | was busy last night | 14:02 |
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| philiKON | faasse1, ping | 14:15 |
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| philiKON | morning J1m | 14:29 |
| J1m | morning | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | something recently changed in zope 3.3? | 14:29 |
| philiKON | J1m, do you want to make the release now? | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | about TALES expression adapters? | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | they need new security declarations they didn't need before? | 14:29 |
| philiKON | indeed | 14:29 |
| philiKON | i think something like this | 14:29 |
| J1m | philiKON: soon | 14:29 |
| philiKON | at least some potential security hole was fixed | 14:29 |
| philiKON | J1m, ok. i'm still waiting for faasse1 to merge something to the 3.3 branch | 14:29 |
| philiKON | if he won't be back form lunch or whatever soon enough, i'll merg eit | 14:30 |
| J1m | ok, pls let me know when that's done. | 14:30 |
| J1m | is this going to be b2 or c1? I think it should be b2. | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | philiKON: do you have a bug #? I cannot find it by skimming doc/CHANGES.txt | 14:31 |
| philiKON | J1m, i agree with b2 | 14:31 |
| philiKON | mgedmin, 574 | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 14:31 |
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| mgedmin | it's not mentioned in doc/CHANGES.txt :( | 14:31 |
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| philiKON | mgedmin, blame Theuni | 14:32 |
| * mgedmin blames | 14:33 | |
| philiKON | mgedmin, perhaps you can add an entry? i'm not 100% sure what the repercussions of the change are | 14:33 |
| mgedmin | I can try, but I suspect that I understand it even less than you do | 14:33 |
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| mgedmin | maybe there should be a section "important backwards-incompatible changes" in the changes.txt file? | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | "if you define custom TALES expression adapters, you will now need to have a security declaration that protects XXX with permission YYY" | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | the XXX and YYY parts I'm not sure about | 14:34 |
| philiKON | i think you only need security declarations | 14:35 |
| philiKON | zope won't require you to choose a specific permission | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | for the methods you want to expose to the templates? | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | I guess my question boils down to: do I need to allow setEngine, or not? | 14:35 |
| philiKON | yup | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | thinking... | 14:35 |
| philiKON | and for zope.tales.interfaces.ITALESFunctionNamespace | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | probably not | 14:35 |
| philiKON | look at zope.app.pagetemplate/configure.zcml | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | ok, thanks | 14:35 |
| * mgedmin prods ignas, who is now fixing this problem in schooltool | 14:36 | |
| philiKON | the security declarations for zopetalesapi | 14:36 |
| * ignas is rerunning application | 14:36 | |
| philiKON | MJ, just responded to http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/690 | 14:38 |
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| Theuni | philiKON: pong | 15:09 |
| philiKON | Theuni, just wanted to let you know that: | 15:09 |
| philiKON | - i have refactored apidoc to use not-have verb | 15:10 |
| philiKON | - i made the whole ftesting thing work in instances | 15:10 |
| philiKON | - i now think that having a NoDevMode layer is a good thing :) | 15:10 |
| philiKON | - i thnk having enabled.zcml and disabled.zcml in apidoc isn't necessarily a bad thing | 15:10 |
| philiKON | </done> | 15:10 |
| Theuni | humm | 15:13 |
| Theuni | now i'll see how many conflicts i'll get on my branch | 15:13 |
| Theuni | s/branch/checkout/ | 15:14 |
| philiKON | conflicts? | 15:14 |
| Theuni | i've already been changing a lot of that | 15:14 |
| faasse1 | philiKON: merge something? | 15:15 |
| faasse1 | philiKON: what do you expect me to merge? | 15:15 |
| Theuni | i couldn't finish it yesterday though | 15:15 |
| philiKON | Theuni, ah | 15:15 |
| philiKON | Theuni, didn't know you already had stuff in there. wlel, J1m wants to make the release... so i just did it | 15:15 |
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| philiKON | faasse1, i think you haven't ported your fix for 534 to the 3.3 branch yet | 15:15 |
| faasse1 | faasse1: I did it on the 3.3 branch first. | 15:15 |
| philiKON | am i blind? | 15:16 |
| philiKON | yeah i am | 15:16 |
| philiKON | sorry for the fuss | 15:16 |
| faasse1 | faasse1: okay. :) | 15:16 |
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| philiKON | you like talking to yourself, eh? ;) | 15:16 |
| faasse1 | philiKON: oops | 15:17 |
| philiKON | Theuni, also, you didn't respond to my ping 3 hours ago ;) | 15:17 |
| faasse1 | philiKON: don't know, I jut am intrigued by that 1. :) | 15:17 |
| philiKON | hehe | 15:17 |
| Theuni | hm. hmm. that sets me back a bit on my energy of doing anything on that right now ... :/ | 15:17 |
| philiKON | :/ | 15:17 |
| Theuni | philiKON: i did. 5 minutes ago. i said "pong" | 15:17 |
| philiKON | yeah, 5 mins ago :) | 15:17 |
| Theuni | i don't like having to clean up stuff i did and find out what is still needed and what not | 15:18 |
| philiKON | what else is there left to do on this? | 15:18 |
| Theuni | at least integrating the one patch on the 507 issue but there are no tests with the patch | 15:18 |
| philiKON | right, that's what i responded to d2m | 15:18 |
| philiKON | i don't think d2m's patch is vital to the beta2 | 15:18 |
| philiKON | though | 15:18 |
| philiKON | do you? | 15:18 |
| Theuni | no it isn't. i already started working on the tests though | 15:18 |
| philiKON | oh | 15:19 |
| Theuni | my checkout is a mess. brr | 15:19 |
| philiKON | sorry | 15:19 |
| philiKON | i was under the impression you wanted to do it last night (i understood that you had time then), and when i saw no checkins i figured you hadn't come around to it | 15:19 |
| philiKON | my bad | 15:20 |
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| Theuni | no problem. i couldn't complete it last night (additionally my night is eastern standard time right now) | 15:27 |
| philiKON | Theuni, ah, in f12g? | 15:30 |
| philiKON | or just different sleep cycle? ;) | 15:30 |
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| philiKON | MJ, can you fix 690 on the 3.3 branch as well and add a changes.txt entry (on the 3.3 branch) | 15:33 |
| benji | Theuni is in a secret bunker somewhere on the eastern seaboard. :) | 15:33 |
| MJ | Sure | 15:34 |
| philiKON | thanks | 15:34 |
| benji | heh :) | 15:34 |
| philiKON | benji, :) | 15:34 |
| philiKON | benji, more nato projects, eh? | 15:34 |
| Theuni | sorry philiKON you have to be sacked now | 15:35 |
| * philiKON runs | 15:35 | |
| benji | s/sacked/eliminated/ | 15:35 |
| * Theuni puts philiKON in a sack and puts him in a closet in the bunker | 15:35 | |
| philiKON | mmmmh mmmmmh Mmmmmh mmmhhh! | 15:35 |
| * MJ keeps mum about his prior involvements with NATO and Zope. | 15:35 | |
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| * MJ waits for all the tests to finish. | 15:40 | |
| * benji wonders how many faster computers have been purchased because of the Zope 3 test suite. | 15:41 | |
| faasse1 | we need to make the Zope 3 test suite run with Google Map/Reduce | 15:41 |
| faasse1 | that way Guido will have to say that Zope is the unofficial official Python web framework instead of Django. | 15:42 |
| faasse1 | http://www.advogato.org/person/titus/diary.html?start=186 | 15:43 |
| benji | faasse1: when I get my next laptop (dual core), I'll definately want the tests to take advantage of it | 15:43 |
| * mgedmin knows his one was | 15:43 | |
| * mgedmin also bought an extra 0.5 gig of RAM so that running zope 3 tests would not flush the full zope 3 tree from the disk cache | 15:44 | |
| faasse1 | I think Guido should stay out of the web framework business. He stayed out of it at ZC, so why should he start now? :) | 15:44 |
| Theuni | hehe | 15:44 |
| philiKON | :) | 15:46 |
| Theuni | philiKON: how is the beta release coming along? | 15:46 |
| philiKON | Theuni, J1m will do the tgz | 15:46 |
| philiKON | i'll tell him when MJ's patch is in | 15:46 |
| Theuni | alright | 15:47 |
| philiKON | Theuni, are you going to seattle btw? | 15:49 |
| Theuni | unsure yet, but don't think so. | 15:51 |
| faasse1 | what's in Seattle? | 15:52 |
| benji | coffee | 15:52 |
| philiKON | faasse1, ploneconf | 15:53 |
| philiKON | and coffee | 15:53 |
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| Theuni | i don't drink coffee | 16:09 |
| philiKON | me neither | 16:10 |
| * Theuni corrects | 16:10 | |
| Theuni | i don't drink no stinkin' coffee | 16:10 |
| philiKON | Theuni, J1m, is that you? ;) | 16:11 |
| philiKON | J1m, i think we're ready for the release | 16:11 |
| Theuni | hmm. funny. in german you have kAffee and kOffein in english you have cOffee and cAffeine | 16:11 |
| philiKON | lol, true | 16:11 |
| philiKON | never thought about that | 16:11 |
| benji | english and german, the evil twins of languages | 16:11 |
| philiKON | in der Tat | 16:12 |
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| benji | indeed | 16:14 |
| J1m | philiKON: k, I'll start it soon | 16:17 |
| J1m | I'm still trying to wrap up this stupid PPC test failure. | 16:18 |
| J1m | crap. now it's failing another way. | 16:20 |
| philiKON | :( | 16:20 |
| J1m | I'm gonna go ahead with the release. :( | 16:20 |
| J1m | The bad thing is that I suspect that there's a real bug lurking here. | 16:21 |
| philiKON | i see. but i agree with going ahead with the release | 16:21 |
| J1m | But it's really hard to dignose as the errors don't happen if I run the tests by themselves. | 16:21 |
| J1m | and running all of the tests, or enough to trigger the errors takes too long on PPC. | 16:22 |
| J1m | These ZEO tests are an absolute nightmare. | 16:22 |
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| Bernulf | hi 2 small questions :) I wana import my data from zope 2 to zope 3. here is a small example http://pastebin.de/11130 - so this way my container is created fine but in the zmi i have no created at entry :( | 16:42 |
| Bernulf | with .title and .description i wana set the entries Title and Description coresponding to the Title and Description in the Metadata view of the zmi but this way it doesn't work - how can set this values right? | 16:44 |
| flox | IZopeDublinCore(object).title and .description | 16:47 |
| flox | i guess | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | pastebin.de is sloooooow | 16:47 |
| flox | Bernulf: this is stored on an annotation 'DublinCore' | 16:47 |
| Bernulf | ok thanks! i will try it :) | 16:47 |
| Bernulf | ok | 16:48 |
| Bernulf | slow? really? should i post it somewere else? | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | I see it now | 16:49 |
| Bernulf | ok :) | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | you could make a custom DublinCore adapter that knows to use the title/description attributes of your object | 16:49 |
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| mgedmin | or you could do like flox suggested | 16:49 |
| Bernulf | ok thanks! and why is there no created date in my zmi? | 16:50 |
| flox | Bernulf: maybe ur custom object does not adapt to IZopeDublinCore | 16:50 |
| flox | u hv to declare that ur custom component provide 'IAttributeAnnotatable' | 16:51 |
| Bernulf | hm i declare it over the zcml-implements so it implements IAttributeAnnotatable. but is the creation data really stored in a annotation? | 16:53 |
| flox | modification date is attribute of IZopeDublinCore interface | 16:54 |
| flox | the same for creation date | 16:54 |
| flox | once ur component is 'IAttributeAnnotatable', u automatically hv all Dublin Core things | 16:56 |
| Bernulf | ok! thanks a lot! it works :) | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | maybe the user doesn't have permission to edit dublin core metadata | 17:02 |
| * mgedmin was late by 2 seconds... | 17:02 | |
| Bernulf | ;) | 17:03 |
| Bernulf | i had to set created manually :) | 17:03 |
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| runyaga | Theuni, ? | 17:44 |
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| philiKON | J1m, ayt? | 17:57 |
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| philiKON | J1m, nm | 17:58 |
| J1m | yes | 17:58 |
| philiKON | J1m, subscription adapters, incl. subscribers, can have names, right? | 18:00 |
| philiKON | (i looked at the zope.component APIs and figured they could) | 18:00 |
| J1m | I don't think names are supported yet. | 18:02 |
| J1m | I think the arguments are just placeholders. | 18:03 |
| philiKON | ah, ok | 18:03 |
| J1m | I don't remember for sure though. :) | 18:03 |
| philiKON | hmm | 18:03 |
| philiKON | i won't mention anyting in the book then :) | 18:03 |
| J1m | actually, the interface says the name argument is ignores. | 18:04 |
| philiKON | ah, ok | 18:04 |
| J1m | ignored | 18:04 |
| J1m | It should probably only allow ''/ | 18:04 |
| philiKON | thanks, should've looked at the ifaces | 18:04 |
| J1m | '' | 18:04 |
| J1m | But the implementation raises an error. | 18:05 |
| philiKON | yup. btw, i'll be off for more wedding preparations tonight, but when i get back and the tarball is ready, i can do the rest of the MakingARelease steps | 18:05 |
| J1m | The interface should be fixed. | 18:05 |
| J1m | If you set up the release on z.o, I can upload the tar and exe, assuming that I get them done today. | 18:06 |
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| philiKON | ok | 18:06 |
| philiKON | i'll do that | 18:06 |
| J1m | wanna fix the interfaces? :) | 18:10 |
| philiKON | J1m, just looked at them. what's wron gwith them | 18:10 |
| J1m | (while I futz with the release) | 18:10 |
| philiKON | it says that the name argument is ignored | 18:10 |
| philiKON | btw, added http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3/3.3.0b2 | 18:10 |
| philiKON | name | 18:11 |
| philiKON | The adapter name. | 18:11 |
| philiKON | Currently, only the empty string is accepted. Other | 18:11 |
| philiKON | strings will be accepted in the future when support for | 18:11 |
| philiKON | named subscribers is added. | 18:11 |
| J1m | It says the name argument is ignored, but the name argument must be an empty string | 18:11 |
| J1m | which one are you looking at? | 18:11 |
| philiKON | IComponentRegistry.registerSubscriptionAdapter | 18:11 |
| J1m | ah | 18:12 |
| philiKON | ah, you were talking about registerHandler | 18:12 |
| philiKON | i'll fix that | 18:12 |
| J1m | I was looking at the unregister method. | 18:12 |
| philiKON | i'l fix them | 18:12 |
| J1m | I think all of the name arguments for subscribers and handlers need to be double checked. | 18:12 |
| philiKON | will do | 18:12 |
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| philiKON | J1m, done | 18:20 |
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| J1m | thanks | 18:22 |
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| d2m | philiKON: http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3/3.3.0b2 is empty | 19:22 |
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| philiKON | d2m, i know | 19:29 |
| philiKON | d2m, jim will upload tarballs | 19:29 |
| d2m | philiKON: ok, thanks | 19:30 |
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| J1m | src tar ball available at: http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3/3.3.0b2/Zope-3.3.0b2.tgz | 20:45 |
| J1m | starting on the windows release. | 20:45 |
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| Theuni | hooray! | 21:01 |
| Theuni | btw: is anybody putting up press releases for the 3.3 final? the dzug always creates their own PR information on those things, but we might want to share that. | 21:02 |
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| J1m | dang, found a bug on windows | 22:01 |
| J1m | I shouldn't have uploaded that. :( | 22:02 |
| J1m | I think I'll cheat. | 22:02 |
| J1m | darn, there's no good way to cheat. | 22:03 |
| J1m | I think I'll retract the release. :( | 22:04 |
| Theuni | :( | 22:04 |
| Theuni | is it the bug that shows in the buildbot? | 22:04 |
| J1m | Next time I'll test on windows before uploading anything. | 22:05 |
| Theuni | uh. forget that. that was zope 2.9 ... | 22:05 |
| J1m | No, it's a spurious test failure in zope.testing. | 22:05 |
| J1m | hm, | 22:05 |
| J1m | it only occurs on Parallells | 22:05 |
| J1m | OK, I'mnot gonna sweat it. | 22:06 |
| J1m | How many people are going to install it on parallels? | 22:06 |
| J1m | :) | 22:06 |
| J1m | I'll stick with what I've got. | 22:06 |
| J1m | I'll upload the src release again and then upload the windows release. | 22:07 |
| Theuni | *phew | 22:07 |
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| benji | strange that it would only happen on parallels | 22:07 |
| J1m | On parallels, windows drive letters are lower case, as God intended them to be. ;) | 22:08 |
| benji | I'd be surprised if that was only parallels. | 22:08 |
| J1m | well, he haven't had reports of this before. | 22:09 |
| J1m | 3.2 would have had this same problem, I believe. | 22:09 |
| Theuni | hngn. so we need to introduce normalization on all pathnames? | 22:10 |
| J1m | I guess I'll double check that the test failure occurs in 3.2. | 22:10 |
| J1m | This is just in a test. The test has already been updated, but Zope wasn't updated to use the newer version of zope.testing. | 22:10 |
| Theuni | oh ic | 22:11 |
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| benji | so the next beta/rc will have the updated zope.testing? | 22:11 |
| J1m | yes | 22:11 |
| benji | cool | 22:12 |
| Theuni | btw: what's the schedule on the rc after the beta now? 1 week? 2 weeks? | 22:12 |
| J1m | Don't know | 22:12 |
| Theuni | we should set something IMHO | 22:12 |
| Theuni | does our development plan (6-month-cycle) say something about this? | 22:13 |
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| J1m | no | 22:19 |
| Theuni | so what about 1 week until rc and then one week until final if no issue with the rc comes up? | 22:24 |
| J1m | I think we want to see what feedback we get from the beta. | 22:24 |
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| Theuni | humm humm ... alright. although i kind of would feel better if we had a timeout for that. | 22:42 |
| Theuni | otherwise people might take their time very slowly to try out the beta | 22:42 |
| J1m | I think that's fine. | 22:43 |
| Theuni | alright | 22:43 |
| J1m | I mean to schedule the next release soon :) | 22:43 |
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| J1m | Actually, philipp planned to have a release in abouta week or so I think. | 22:44 |
| Theuni | you mean final? | 22:48 |
| benji | I would think we'd have a RC before final | 22:53 |
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| J1m | I think he planned to have an rc or a beta | 22:54 |
| Theuni | alright. so that's almost the schedule i hoped for :) | 22:55 |
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| J1m | I decided to remale the release with the windows fixes. | 23:18 |
| J1m | The new tar ball is available at the same place. | 23:18 |
| J1m | I'm uploading the exe | 23:18 |
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| J1m | ok, the exe is there too. | 23:26 |
| J1m | You windows users -- have a blast! | 23:26 |
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