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| WebMaven | What determines whether, when adding an object, a 'name' form field appears in the container? | 08:13 |
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| WebMaven | srichter: Back again, I see. | 09:49 |
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| WebMaven | srichter: OK, I got your email. | 10:15 |
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| WebMaven | srichter: the bug in the version attached to the email you replied to was fixed in the version I sent six hours later. | 10:17 |
| srichter | ok | 10:18 |
| WebMaven | So, the message objects can only be added inside a SQLAlchemy container. | 10:19 |
| WebMaven | Since you don't consider the import changes an improvement, I can put them back. | 10:19 |
| srichter | it's ok, I have my version on my system | 10:20 |
| srichter | I am pretty much done with my example, so I have no further interest looking into this; I just know I would not develop this way | 10:21 |
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| WebMaven | Well, what do you think of constraining the containment, then? | 10:21 |
| WebMaven | Ah. OK. | 10:21 |
| srichter | It is not transparent enough at this stage; Maybe I should have a look at sqlos | 10:21 |
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| WebMaven | Did you look at the two examples I wrote? | 10:22 |
| srichter | no, I have no time this week | 10:23 |
| WebMaven | I have no clue what's going on with the second one, but if you could look at the small UI bug in the first one I'd be very grateful. | 10:23 |
| WebMaven | I don't know why the name-choosing form field reappeared. | 10:23 |
| WebMaven | this is the latest version of rogue.za_example_1 | 10:24 |
| WebMaven | BTW, I got very frustrated with SQLOS/SQLObject, it has bugs when you don't follow the database column naming conventions, which are *supposed* to be overridable, but you apparently can't override the naming of the id column of you have FK relationships between tables. | 10:27 |
| WebMaven | This was about six months ago. Maybe these bugs have been fixed. | 10:28 |
| WebMaven | But at least SQLOS had an example. ;-) | 10:29 |
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| harobed | srichter: you are here ? | 10:30 |
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| srichter | yes | 10:33 |
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| harobed | srichter: I wonder why my post in zope3-dev about README in root svn directory isn't commented :( | 11:30 |
| srichter | harobed: could be one of two reasons: (a) people think it is not interesting to them, or/and (b) they have no strong objection | 11:34 |
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| srichter | harobed: people are usually really busy, so they only respond to messages that push their button | 11:34 |
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| harobed | srichter: ok, I know but I haven't svn access then I can't commit this README file | 11:35 |
| harobed | I think this README can be very useful for zope3 newbies users | 11:37 |
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| srichter | ok, I'll look into it over the weekend, I just cannot do it now | 11:38 |
| harobed | thanks | 11:39 |
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| ccomb | Is there a reason why __init__ constructors and their docstring are not documented automatically by the ++apidoc++ ? | 13:43 |
| ccomb | for ex, the SimpleTerm class has the following constructor __init__(self, value, token=None, title=None) and the following docstring : """Create a term for value and token. If token is omitted, str(value) is used for the token. If title is provided, term implements ITitledTokenizedTerm.""" | 13:45 |
| ccomb | But I had to look at the source code to find it | 13:45 |
| ccomb | It's important documentation, but it is not visible. Or did I miss something ? | 13:48 |
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| mgedmin | I would like to commit a couple of bugfixes to the zope 3 test runner (bare except: clauses that trap KeyboardInterrupts) | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | however if I try to run the testrunner tests in a Zope 3 svn checkout with ./test.py -s zope.testing, I get 0 tests | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | what am I doing wrong? | 18:09 |
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| mgedmin | not setting the PYTHONPATH correctly, most likely | 18:12 |
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| * mgedmin tries to remember if there's a way to list all names adapters from IFoo to IBar | 20:04 | |
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| ccomb | getAdapters ? | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't mention anything about names | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | I could loop through absolutely all adapter registrations and filter, but that seems so inelegant | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | what I actually need is a set of adapters with the same name, and I want the name to be choosable from the UI | 20:14 |
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| mgedmin | I think I'll go with utilities that describe the set and provide some additional information (e.g. description) | 20:15 |
| ccomb | you have several adapters to the same interface with the same name ? | 20:15 |
| ccomb | for the same object ? | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | no, I have several adapters to the same interface with different names for the same object | 20:16 |
| ccomb | ok | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | and my "set of adapters" are adapters to different interfaces, but with the same name | 20:16 |
| ccomb | ah | 20:18 |
| ccomb | maybe components.registerAdapter | 20:19 |
| ccomb | no | 20:19 |
| ccomb | components.registeredAdapters | 20:19 |
| ccomb | look at zope.component.registry.txt in the section adapters | 20:20 |
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| ccomb | if I do getUtility(IFoo, 'name', context) and context is not locatable | 20:44 |
| ccomb | I won't be able to get my utility, right ? | 20:44 |
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| mgedmin | if the utility is a local one, then probably not | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | but if you're calling getUtility while processing a request you don't need to pass context to it | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | it will look in the current site | 20:46 |
| ccomb | I'm in a Source | 20:46 |
| ccomb | and I can't get my local utility | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | what's the context that gets passed to the source? | 20:50 |
| ccomb | in the source, the context is my AnnotationCategorizable adapter | 20:50 |
| ccomb | that adapts any IAnnotationCategorizable object to my ICategories | 20:51 |
| ccomb | huh, actually I should have called it AnnotationCategories | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | you may want to have the adapter's __init__ set self.__parent__ = context | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | that will also let any local permission grants take effect | 20:55 |
| ccomb | aaaah, maybe ! thanks, I'll try | 20:55 |
| ccomb | and I was obliged to set the adapter trusted, what I didn't like | 20:56 |
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| mgedmin | two different things | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | trusted adapter has an unproxied self.context and can do anything it likes with it | 20:58 |
| ccomb | my adapter needs to write in __annotations__ | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | but the adapter itself is then wrapped in a proxy, and you therefore need to provide permission declarations for the adapter class, *and* set the adapter's __parent__ so that local permission grants work | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | untrusted adapters are zope.Public by default (IIRC) so you do not need to worry about security declarations and __parent__, but anything you want to get from self.context must be allowed by the security declarations on the context class | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | the traditional pattern is that when you create an adapter that accesses context's annotations you make it a trusted adapter | 20:59 |
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| benji | anyone know why the tests are failing? | 22:26 |
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| benji | ahh, in a different message, Adam Groszer fessed up and said that he wouldn't be able to fix it until tomorrow | 22:32 |
| mgedmin | anyone knows why ./test.py -s zope.testing in a z3 checkout finds 0 tests? | 22:36 |
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| benji | that's a good question, mgedmin :) | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | here's a simple one: how much tests do you see if you run that command? | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | is it my setup, or something more sinister? | 22:44 |
| benji | % python ./test.py -s zope.testing | 22:44 |
| benji | Total: 0 tests, 0 failures, 0 errors | 22:44 |
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| mgedmin | not my fault then | 22:46 |
| benji | mgedmin: if you create an instance and run bin/test -s zope.testing, it should work | 22:46 |
| * mgedmin does not like instances | 22:46 | |
| mgedmin | for development, that is, I quite like them for deployment | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | my preferred work cycle is simple: check out; hack; run tests; commit | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | another silly question: if I do run the tests manually with PYTHONPATH=src python src/zope/testing/tests.py | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | I see 4 failures | 22:48 |
| benji | yeah, I don't like instances either | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | does anyone else see them? | 22:49 |
| benji | checking | 22:49 |
| benji | yep, I see four as well | 22:50 |
| benji | mgedmin: let me guess, you're running with Python 2.4.4 | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | yes, probably | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | differences in traceback formatting? | 22:52 |
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| benji | differences in formatting, but not tracebacks I don't think | 22:53 |
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| ccomb | I'm fed up with /me not beeing able to get his utility | 22:54 |
| mgedmin | one of the failures is due to an extra function call in unittest.py | 22:56 |
| benji | mgedmin: they pass when run with 2.4.3 | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | so, if I fixed the tests with 2.4.4 and committed, would a buildbot notice that I broke 2.4.3? | 22:57 |
| mgedmin | do zope 3 buildbots use instances for testing? | 22:57 |
| mgedmin | (my first question presupposes that I (accidentally, of course) break the tests with 2.4.3) | 22:58 |
| mgedmin | (I have no intention of breaking things for 2.4.3) | 22:58 |
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| benji | mgedmin: I bleive so, but it's very likely you'll break 2.4.3, so I would recommend testing for youself; unfortuanately that bit of text matching is very brittle, so it would also be best if you tested with several flavors of 2.4 and 2.3 :( | 23:01 |
| mgedmin | talk about barriers for entry :( | 23:01 |
| * mgedmin has python 2.4.1 handy on a debian machine | 23:02 | |
| benji | apparently very few people depend on consistency between Python point releases for those particular messages, they seem to change with each release | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | should the test runner care? A judicious application of ELLIPSIS or the normalizer would help, I think | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | is 2.3 important for zope.testing? IIRC zope 3 as a whole started requiring 2.4 a while ago | 23:03 |
| benji | it might; I think there is already some normalizing going on | 23:04 |
| benji | right, Z3 requires 2.4, but zope.testing works on 2.3 | 23:04 |
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