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| dobee | srichter: ayt? | 13:00 |
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| srichter | dobee: yeah | 13:05 |
| dobee | hi | 13:06 |
| dobee | question about z3c.configurator | 13:06 |
| srichter | shoot | 13:06 |
| dobee | we have a problem there with the data armgument | 13:06 |
| srichter | what about it? | 13:06 |
| dobee | when 2 plugins share the same attribte names | 13:07 |
| srichter | right, then you have a problem | 13:07 |
| dobee | we cannot distinct those attribtues in data | 13:07 |
| dobee | so i want to change data to a dictionary of dictionaries | 13:07 |
| srichter | or implement a namespace | 13:07 |
| srichter | ie: pluginName.attrName | 13:07 |
| dobee | {pluginname: {},} | 13:07 |
| srichter | I think that would be okay too | 13:08 |
| srichter | oh, hold on | 13:08 |
| dobee | it breaks existing implementations | 13:08 |
| dobee | i am currently working on the configurator to allow to call specific named ones | 13:08 |
| dobee | TTW | 13:08 |
| srichter | the main idea originally was that the data attribute is totally informal | 13:08 |
| srichter | and now we require the user/programmer to know the names of the plugins | 13:09 |
| dobee | hm | 13:09 |
| srichter | which we didn't before | 13:09 |
| srichter | dobee: btw, I am surprised you use configurator over sampledata | 13:09 |
| srichter | anyways, I think I would be opkay | 13:10 |
| dobee | this is the first step to a merge | 13:10 |
| srichter | dobee: but please create a branch/tag before starting, so we can change code later | 13:10 |
| dobee | ok, you mean i should create a branch for my changes? | 13:11 |
| srichter | I have noticed this week again, how simple the configurator is to use and to explain; I would hate to loose that simplicity | 13:11 |
| srichter | dobee: no, a brnach for the old code | 13:11 |
| srichter | so we can switch to that | 13:11 |
| dobee | the data thing is the only incompatible change at all | 13:11 |
| srichter | maybe a heads up to the zope3-users mailing lsit too | 13:11 |
| dobee | ok, i'll create a 1.0 branch for the old code, or is that number to hight | 13:12 |
| dobee | high | 13:12 |
| srichter | interestingly enough, in the training example, I need to access one piece of data in two different plugins | 13:12 |
| srichter | this is certainly a use case to consider | 13:12 |
| srichter | and I do not even care about the schemas | 13:12 |
| srichter | no, that number is ok | 13:13 |
| dobee | i think we should care about schemas, if we use the schema based configurator plugin | 13:13 |
| srichter | maybe we should support both use cases | 13:13 |
| srichter | what about: if you have a schema plugin, you use your suggestion, but in general also allow a simple data dict | 13:14 |
| dobee | maybe we should add a keyword argument ala 'namespaces' | 13:14 |
| dobee | useNameSpaces=False | 13:14 |
| dobee | in configure | 13:14 |
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| dobee | so we are completly backward compatible | 13:14 |
| srichter | I think this is a good idea | 13:14 |
| dobee | me too, ok i'll gonna implement this | 13:15 |
| srichter | I like the sound of being backward compatible :-) | 13:15 |
| dobee | yeah | 13:15 |
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| srichter | cool, have fun | 13:15 |
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| ignas | srichter: can one make a title attribute in a viewlet zcml declaration translatable? in schooltool the navigation menu is being set up through viewlets in zcml, and i don't really want to move all that into python code ... | 13:23 |
| ignas | i can translate the string for users, but it is not being picked up by i18n extraction factilities | 13:24 |
| srichter | you need to move the code into Python or write your own special directive (not that bad) | 13:24 |
| ignas | hmm, any examples of such a directive in Zope3 or some other open source code ? | 13:24 |
| srichter | in my projects I create the Python objects | 13:24 |
| srichter | oftentimes you want to do more with the menu item anyways | 13:25 |
| ignas | hmm, kind of makes sense | 13:25 |
| ignas | just thought that there might be some magical zcml attribute like in tal that makes attributes translatable | 13:25 |
| srichter | ignas: simply extend the IViewlet directive by a title attribute that is a MessageId field, write a new handler that only calls the original one and register the directive | 13:26 |
| srichter | it's pretty easy | 13:26 |
| srichter | but I think Python code is okay here | 13:26 |
| srichter | I usually stick everything into a menu.py file | 13:26 |
| ignas | thanks | 13:27 |
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| ChrisW | hi all, if http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3 the definitive place for Zope 3 downloads? | 13:28 |
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| rocky | good morning | 14:10 |
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| ChrisW | mornin ' rocky | 14:27 |
| ChrisW | you might know: | 14:27 |
| ChrisW | hi all, if http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3 the definitive place for Zope 3 downloads? | 14:27 |
| rocky | i thought it was | 14:27 |
| ChrisW | cool | 14:27 |
| ChrisW | just wanted to check, I've been running off svn for years ;-) | 14:28 |
| rocky | ;) | 14:28 |
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| mgedmin | philiKON: love for your ezmerge.py once again | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | I did some more hacking: added the ability to find out the branch point (with svn log --stop-on-copy) so that I can merge the whole branch to trunk with "ezmerge.py ALL branchname" | 16:10 |
| ChrisW | ezmerg.py? where? | 16:10 |
| mgedmin | ChrisW: http://codespeak.net/svn/user/philikon/ezmerge.py | 16:10 |
| mgedmin | plus I wrote ezswitch.py for switching the working dir between branches without having to copy and paste the long svn+ssh://.../ prefixes | 16:11 |
| philiKON | mgedmin: nice | 16:11 |
| mgedmin | this is where a distributed version control system would be useful: I could expose my branch and let you pull the changes if you like them | 16:12 |
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| philiKON_ | mgedmin: i still haven't looked at your mods :( | 16:14 |
| philiKON_ | i like some, i don't like others | 16:14 |
| mgedmin | I'll put my svn online so you can pick and choose | 16:15 |
| mgedmin | first I need to extract it out of my home directory svn repo | 16:16 |
| mgedmin | svndumpfilter, here I come | 16:16 |
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| ignas | is there a way to disable a view through zcml overrides ? | 16:37 |
| ChrisW | ah, the old disabling-stuff-through zcml conundrum | 16:38 |
| ChrisW | I wonder if the answer is still "no" :-S | 16:38 |
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| mgedmin | ignas: you could write a view class that raises NotFoundError in its __call__ and register it as an override | 16:39 |
| ignas | mgedmin: hmm, and what about a a menu item added by <page directive? | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | override it too, with <browser:menuItem ... condition="nothing" /> | 16:40 |
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| ChrisW | :-( | 16:40 |
| ChrisW | yuck | 16:40 |
| mgedmin | yeah | 16:40 |
| ChrisW | what about removing a permission? | 16:40 |
| ignas | removing a permission ? | 16:41 |
| ChrisW | as in undoing the action of a grant | 16:41 |
| ignas | won't do, we're using a custom security policy | 16:41 |
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| ChrisW | I want one of them :-) | 16:55 |
| ignas | one of what ? policies ? :) | 16:56 |
| ChrisW | custom policies | 16:56 |
| ignas | it's open source, you can have it :D | 16:56 |
| ChrisW | I'll come pick your brain when I get to writing it | 16:56 |
| ChrisW | yeah, but yours will be wrong, of course, as it Zope 3's default, that's why I want my custom one :-) | 16:56 |
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| ChrisW | anyway, how's Vilnius? :-) | 16:56 |
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| ignas | ChrisW: http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/trunk/schooltool/src/schooltool/securitypolicy/ | 16:57 |
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| ignas | Vilnius is getting colder again, had it quite warm last days | 16:57 |
| ChrisW | cool :-) | 16:58 |
| ChrisW | well, cold weather wise, cool code wise :-) | 16:58 |
| ignas | :) | 16:58 |
| ChrisW | have you guys, or anyone else, made progress on the zope3-without-zodb? | 16:59 |
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| ignas | ChrisW: haven't needed that yet | 17:00 |
| ChrisW | I want it :-) | 17:00 |
| faassen | with a rdb backend? | 17:00 |
| ChrisW | yep | 17:01 |
| ChrisW | that's one project | 17:01 |
| faassen | what's the other project? | 17:01 |
| ChrisW | but I'm also interested in just publishing an object from a class, without having to have a zodb, rdb, or anything else | 17:01 |
| ChrisW | there are many projects ;-) | 17:01 |
| faassen | well, you can hook it off traversal machinery, I think. | 17:02 |
| ChrisW | yeah, but I want no zodb to even be opened | 17:02 |
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| ChrisW | J1m pointed me in the right direction, just need to find some time and have a dig :-) | 17:02 |
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| mgedmin | philiKON, http://mg.pov.lt/eazysvn/ | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | oh, he left already | 17:22 |
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| mgedmin | svn.zope.org seems to be rather slow today for me | 17:45 |
| faassen | maybe everybody is checking out grokproject? :) | 17:46 |
| faassen | that is, typing 'grokproject foo' and causing a zope 3 checkout to happen. | 17:46 |
| faassen | fanciful hope. :) | 17:46 |
| ChrisW | heh | 17:47 |
| ChrisW | I should really give grok a spin | 17:47 |
| faassen | easy_install grokproject | 17:48 |
| faassen | then 'grokproject myproject' :) | 17:48 |
| faassen | let us know if that doesn't work. | 17:48 |
| ChrisW | it won't right now | 17:48 |
| ChrisW | I don't have easy_install ;-) | 17:48 |
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| ChrisW | what do I need to do that on Windows? | 17:49 |
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| faassen | ChrisW: okay, I don't know. :) | 17:50 |
| faassen | ChrisW: the buildout will likely fail on windows right now. | 17:51 |
| faassen | ChrisW: buildout can be made to work on windows but this needs more of a story. | 17:51 |
| ChrisW | well, LEMME KNOW WHEN YA DUN AND I'LL GIVE IT A GO | 17:52 |
| ChrisW | (I'm a windows cave man, remember ;-) ) | 17:52 |
| ChrisW | and cavemen, sadly, aren't brave or clever enough to put Ubuntu on their laptops :-S | 17:53 |
| * ignas SMASH windows laptop! | 17:53 | |
| ChrisW | *snivvle* | 17:53 |
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| faassen | ME GROK NEED SMASH WINDOWS | 18:00 |
| ChrisW | :'( | 18:01 |
| faassen | ME GROK MEAN SUPPORT WINDOWS | 18:01 |
| ChrisW | leave my windows alone, they keep the draught out | 18:01 |
| faassen | ME GROK PET NICE WINDO | 18:01 |
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| mgedmin | only when they're closed :) | 18:07 |
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| WebMaven | I need some adapter help. | 19:17 |
| ChrisW | shoot | 19:17 |
| WebMaven | Ok, I am making an app with ZAlchemy, so I am working on a dublin core adapter. | 19:17 |
| ChrisW | joy | 19:18 |
| WebMaven | I have a RelationalDC class that stores title, description, and the two dates | 19:18 |
| WebMaven | No, I'm unsure how to adapt my content class to it | 19:19 |
| WebMaven | Sorrw, meant *now* I am unsure. | 19:19 |
| ChrisW | you can't be wanting to adapt to it | 19:19 |
| ChrisW | it sounds like you want to adapt and instance of it and your content object to give your something that implements the dublin core interface | 19:20 |
| WebMaven | Mmm. Probabaly. | 19:21 |
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| WebMaven | I actually have to instantiate it once during the content class creation to get a unique id. | 19:22 |
| WebMaven | but they get instantiated on the fly from the DB. | 19:22 |
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| WebMaven | So, what do I need to do? | 19:23 |
| ChrisW | no idea I'm afraid | 19:23 |
| WebMaven | if you're getting hung up on the rdb stuff, just ignore it. Assume you have an alternate DC class you need to use. | 19:24 |
| WebMaven | Does that help? | 19:26 |
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| WebMaven | ChrisW: hello? | 19:29 |
| ChrisW | you're assuming I have time to sit and read this channel ;-) | 19:33 |
| WebMaven | :-) well, you did offer to help | 19:33 |
| ChrisW | no, I commented on your question... | 19:33 |
| ChrisW | that's not a promise to stay here and hand hold you until your problems is solved ;) | 19:33 |
| WebMaven | Well, no, I suppose not. | 19:34 |
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| WebMaven | Adaptation is giving me a headache. This should be simple. | 21:59 |
| ccomb | I also have a headache, but because of vocabularies and sources | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | I once learned a way of using vocabularies that works, and just keep using it | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | I'm a bit afraid to learn sources ;) | 22:01 |
| ccomb | that's exactly what I'm trying to do | 22:02 |
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| WebMaven | So, I'm trying to adapt an RDB-persistent class to provide another class with Dublin Core. | 22:05 |
| WebMaven | As far as I can tell, only the actual adaptation isn't working, and I'm too tired to see why. | 22:06 |
| WebMaven | So, any assistance would be appreciated. | 22:06 |
| WebMaven | ccomb have you seen csvvocabularies ? | 22:07 |
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| ccomb | no | 22:12 |
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| ccomb | ok I've read the readme, thanks. | 22:14 |
| ccomb | but I'm generating dynamic vocabularies | 22:14 |
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| ccomb | I'm currently learning zope3 by playing with zblog, and I'm implementing category management for the blog entries. | 22:17 |
| ccomb | but anyone knows if category management already exists somewhere ? I guess yes ? | 22:17 |
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| ccomb | (because I'm trying to make it completely independant from zblog and it could be used for any object.) | 22:21 |
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| WebMaven | Can someone tell me what this means: | 22:55 |
| WebMaven | ForbiddenAttribute: ('c', <rogue.za_example_4.message.HelloWorldMessage object at 0xb64cf28c>) | 22:55 |
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| WebMaven | when it comes from within an adapter | 22:55 |
| timte | is HelloWorldMessage an adapter? | 22:56 |
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| WebMaven | the HelloWorldMessage is the adpated object. | 22:56 |
| ccomb | maybe add self.__parent__=context ? | 22:56 |
| WebMaven | to the adapter? | 22:57 |
| ccomb | yes | 22:57 |
| WebMaven | OK. | 22:57 |
| ccomb | I've solved a similar thing like that | 22:57 |
| timte | does HelloWorldMessage have any security declarations? | 22:57 |
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| timte | like <class class="...HelloWorldMessage"><require permission=".." ...> </class> | 22:58 |
| WebMaven | ccomb: that didn't do anything. | 22:59 |
| WebMaven | timte: yes | 22:59 |
| WebMaven | <require | 23:00 |
| WebMaven | permission="zope.View" | 23:00 |
| WebMaven | interface=".interfaces.IHelloWorldMessage" | 23:00 |
| WebMaven | /> | 23:00 |
| WebMaven | <require | 23:00 |
| WebMaven | permission="zope.ManageContent" | 23:00 |
| WebMaven | set_schema=".interfaces.IHelloWorldMessage" | 23:00 |
| WebMaven | /> | 23:00 |
| WebMaven | What do you suggest? | 23:01 |
| ccomb | this is the declaration on the adapter HelloWorldMessage class ? | 23:02 |
| WebMaven | HelloWorldMessage is not an adapter | 23:02 |
| timte | Does the interface include c? | 23:02 |
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| WebMaven | timte: no, c is a generated attribute | 23:03 |
| timte | generated? | 23:03 |
| ccomb | When an attribute does not exist, you generally get ForbiddenAttribute before being warned that the attribute does not exist | 23:03 |
| WebMaven | (represents the db columns) | 23:03 |
| ccomb | so this is a method ? | 23:04 |
| WebMaven | but it exists. | 23:04 |
| ccomb | is it also declared in the interface ? | 23:04 |
| WebMaven | HelloWorldMessage is a class that is mapped by SQLAlchemy to a table. | 23:04 |
| WebMaven | no, it is not declared. | 23:05 |
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| ccomb | The security declaration tells set_schema=".interfaces.IHelloWorldMessage" | 23:05 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. | 23:05 |
| ccomb | you have either to add c into the schema | 23:06 |
| ccomb | or add a security declaration for c | 23:06 |
| WebMaven | I see. | 23:06 |
| timte | one could perhaps add a getColumn(col) method to the interface and then call that with c? | 23:07 |
| timte | if an object uses attributes on itself, does it check for security declerations then as well? | 23:07 |
| WebMaven | Well, actually the code is calling context.c.id | 23:08 |
| WebMaven | so I really just need access to id | 23:08 |
| WebMaven | I will explore thr SQLAlchemy API and find the most appropriate way to get that id and add a security declaration. | 23:08 |
| WebMaven | Thanks. | 23:08 |
| timte | WebMaven: or use grok which doesn't use these nasty security declarations ;) | 23:11 |
| WebMaven | heh. | 23:12 |
| WebMaven | OK, is there an opposite in schema definitions to required? | 23:25 |
| WebMaven | can I make a field forbidden? | 23:26 |
| ccomb | ¿ what for ? | 23:26 |
| ccomb | to display it, but not modify it ? | 23:27 |
| WebMaven | ensure it is never edited or passed as a parameter. | 23:27 |
| WebMaven | yes. | 23:27 |
| WebMaven | Well, no. | 23:27 |
| WebMaven | I don't even want to display it. | 23:27 |
| WebMaven | it's an internal value. | 23:27 |
| ccomb | so it is an attribute, not a schema field | 23:27 |
| WebMaven | Uh, yes. | 23:28 |
| WebMaven | does that mean I can say id=0 in the interface? | 23:29 |
| WebMaven | in IHelloWorldMessage ? | 23:29 |
| ccomb | id=Attribute(... | 23:29 |
| WebMaven | Ah! | 23:29 |
| WebMaven | thx. | 23:29 |
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