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| projekt01 | dobee, ayt? | 13:33 |
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| dobee | projekt01: now | 14:11 |
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| projekt01 | dobee, is it possible to remove the dependecy of resourcelibrary in zc.table? | 14:13 |
| dobee | projekt01: hm, i dunno, i didn't use it | 14:24 |
| dobee | but i think you could remove the dep. with the same pattern z3c.widget.tiny uses | 14:25 |
| dobee | projekt01: it is conditional there | 14:25 |
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| projekt01 | dobee, ok thanks | 14:34 |
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| timte | are folks usually using zope.app.generations for migration of zodb to newer versions of your software or are there other more useful ways? | 14:34 |
| projekt01 | timte, generations are fine | 14:34 |
| timte | ok, thanks | 14:35 |
| projekt01 | But, you need to have a initial generation version set in the instance before you can apply other migrations. | 14:35 |
| projekt01 | This means you have to start a t least the Server with a generation 0 before you can apply with a higher "real" generation | 14:36 |
| timte | yeah, read that in marius howto | 14:37 |
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| projekt01 | Ok | 14:37 |
| timte | can I disable automatic execution of the evolve scripts and execute it manually instead? | 14:38 |
| projekt01 | Yes | 14:40 |
| projekt01 | timte, I guess this depends on the minimum_generation versions you define (or something like that) | 14:41 |
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| CrippsFX | good morning world. | 15:04 |
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| CrippsFX | morning benji. How's the wife and kids? | 15:20 |
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| zagy | hum | 15:48 |
| zagy | an includeOverrides should override an adapter registration, shouldn't it | 15:49 |
| srichter | zagy: yes, but not subscribers | 15:49 |
| zagy | or what exactly does includeOverrides do | 15:49 |
| zagy | all i want is a custom namechooser | 15:49 |
| zagy | does it matter when/where the includeOverrides occours? | 15:50 |
| ignas | zagy: it would be a lot better having a specific container | 15:51 |
| ignas | and registering a more specific name chooser for that container | 15:51 |
| ignas | rather than using overrides | 15:51 |
| zagy | oh well | 15:53 |
| zagy | it might be an idea to not include zope.app.container.configure.zcml at all | 15:53 |
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| ignas | zagy: why not do it properly? | 16:01 |
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| zagy | ignas: i just find it disturbing to get an error and not knowing why | 16:03 |
| ignas | what error? | 16:03 |
| zagy | configuration conflict | 16:04 |
| zagy | despite an override | 16:04 |
| ignas | lisppaste6: url | 16:04 |
| lisppaste6 | To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/zope3-dev and enter your paste. | 16:04 |
| ignas | paste the traceback | 16:04 |
| CSWookie | We have a bot? Heh. | 16:05 |
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| zagy | ignas: i already remove all the override stuff again | 16:06 |
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| CrippsFX | hey, is it possible to have multiple sub-sites? i.e. I have a main site that different departments sign in to ... each deprtment has it's own site. On one department's site, I want to have another sub-site for a given sub-set of information. | 16:28 |
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| timte | yup | 16:34 |
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| projekt01 | CrippsFX, see z3c.layer.trusted if you need to traverse over a (parent) site which you not have access to. | 16:47 |
| projekt01 | This "trusted" traverser configuration allows you to traverse over a site to a subsite which you don't ahve access. | 16:47 |
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| CrippsFX | projekt01: well, I only want to have access to said site from the dept. site, so I don't think "trusted" is what I'm looking for, but you did answer my question. :) | 16:52 |
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| projekt01 | CrippsFX, you only need the trusted traverser if your principals are only define in the sub site, but not in the parent site. | 16:55 |
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| CrippsFX | projekt01: yeah, my principals are defined on the domain, so they will usually have "view" rights for everything under the main site. | 17:05 |
| CrippsFX | ..well ... once I figure out how to make principals based on domain authentication ;) | 17:06 |
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| xbeanx | One YOU figure out? :P | 17:14 |
| benji | CrippsFX: are you authenticating against a Windows domain? | 17:18 |
| benji | if so, look at zc.winauth, it might do what you want or be a starting point for you. | 17:18 |
| CrippsFX | xbeanx: okay, once YOU figure it out. | 17:20 |
| CrippsFX | xbeanx: and listen to benji, he knows what's going on ;) | 17:20 |
| CrippsFX | thanks benji | 17:20 |
| xbeanx | thanks benji | 17:20 |
| xbeanx | Is there any general description of the zc. and z3c. packages anywhere? | 17:21 |
| xbeanx | I see a lot of them but don't know what half of them do. | 17:21 |
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| benji | many are in the cheeseshop, but many older ones (like zc.winauth) were created in the pre-egg era and haven't been updated. Looking through http://svn.zope.com/ and reading README.txt files is the only fallback there | 17:27 |
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| J1m | faassen, note the new buildout release. | 18:08 |
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| * CrippsFX looks out the window at the beautiful scenery .... then farts. | 18:18 | |
| CSWookie | CrippsFX: Thank you for sharing. | 18:19 |
| faassen | J1m: I'll take a look. | 18:19 |
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| J1m | faassen, with verbose output, it now shows you why it is including distributions. | 18:19 |
| CrippsFX | CSWookie: can't hide that6 sort of thing. | 18:19 |
| CSWookie | CrippsFX: Hmmm. | 18:20 |
| faassen | CrippsFX: well, hide it next time, please. thanks. | 18:20 |
| CrippsFX | faassen: done :) | 18:20 |
| faassen | CrippsFX: not really conductive to what I'd say is an improved atmosphere. :) | 18:20 |
| CrippsFX | yeah ... sure doesn't help the work move along. | 18:21 |
| * CrippsFX is off to continue coding. | 18:21 | |
| Theuni_ | /win 10 | 18:21 |
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| faassen | J1m: cool, that's definitely going to help people. | 18:22 |
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| xbeanx | rocky: can I PM you? | 18:52 |
| rocky | xbeanx: indeed | 18:52 |
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| CSWookie | Does the global keyword in ZPT do what I think it does? rebind some upscope name? | 19:05 |
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| CrippsFX | I'm getting an error that I find exceedingly odd: "ImportError: No module named interfaces" ... this happens at "File "/home/acripps/zope/lib/python/computer/configure.zcml", line 7.4" ... line 7.4 is right before my first <class> directive ... and after the "configure" directive where I choose my xml namespaces for the document. Has this happened to anyone else before? | 20:16 |
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| CrippsFX | my configure.zcml and my interfaces.py for zope/lib/python/computer are located here: http://www.pastebin.ca/526067 | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | is there a __init__.py in that directory? | 20:21 |
| CrippsFX | mgedmin: yep ... it's even non-empty. | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | hm | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | can you import it from an interactive python session? | 20:21 |
| CrippsFX | the __init__ or, the computer package? | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | the interfaces module | 20:22 |
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| CrippsFX | just a moment. | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | or the computer module | 20:22 |
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| CrippsFX | mgedmin: nope. it doesn't like the interfaces. I can import the computer module, but computer.interfaces is a no go. | 20:23 |
| xbeanx | interface="zope.annotation.IAttributeAnnotatable" is the correct declaration, isn't it? | 20:24 |
| xbeanx | oops, maybe not | 20:25 |
| CrippsFX | xbeanx: pg. 258 ;) | 20:25 |
| xbeanx | funny, I have code that declares it as zope.annotation.IAttributeAnnotatable that actually works | 20:25 |
| CrippsFX | hm. I *could* give that a shot. | 20:26 |
| CrippsFX | I don't think it'll help though. | 20:26 |
| CrippsFX | nope. no help | 20:26 |
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| CrippsFX | mgedmin: hm. Doesn't appear to be a config problem ... it appears to be a python problem. weird. | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | well, if the module cannot be imported, you need to figure out why | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | either it cannot be found or some exception happens that prevents it from being imported | 20:38 |
| CrippsFX | mgedmin: actually, xbeanx is onto something ... I have a file called computer in the same directory, and the whole site package is called computer, so I should rename one of them. | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | ah | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | that one must be fun | 20:39 |
| CrippsFX | yeah :P | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | I learned this lesson when I had a local module named 'foo.calendar' and then wanted to import stdlib's calendar module for some constants | 20:40 |
| CrippsFX | good thing that other sets of eyes can catch the things I miss | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | the very next svn checkin was "rename foo.calendar to foo.cal" | 20:40 |
| CrippsFX | hahaha | 20:40 |
| xbeanx | sometimes I wish I had an extra set of eyes in my drawer that I could pop in during times like this...... | 20:40 |
| xbeanx | the worst is errors like "if x=y: .....in the middle of 1500 lines of code | 20:41 |
| CrippsFX | xbeanx: ouch. That's happened to you before? | 20:41 |
| xbeanx | umm.. No, I've heard about it though | 20:42 |
| xbeanx | I don't make errors | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | there's obviously spaces missing around the '=', that's your problem | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | :) | 20:42 |
| xbeanx | I just have a script that does everything for me, and it's proven correct... # ./domywork | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | actually, I stared at that line for 30 seconds and missing spaces were the only thing I noticed | 20:43 |
| xbeanx | I also have written # ./takeabreak and # ./playgames | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | the = versus == thing hit me much later | 20:43 |
| xbeanx | haha, see mgedmin now stick that in the middle of 10 pages of code and see how long it takes to find it | 20:43 |
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| CrippsFX | mgedmin: yeah ... that's why it's a problem ;) | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | that's why proper spacing is Very Important | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | ... and also test-driven development | 20:46 |
| xbeanx | and second eyes, sometimes | 20:49 |
| CrippsFX | sweet. I'm getting different errors now. | 20:49 |
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| xbeanx | lol | 20:50 |
| xbeanx | what are you writing a random error generator or what? | 20:50 |
| CrippsFX | xbeanx: you betcha. | 20:52 |
| CrippsFX | actually, now it's bitchin' over IAttributeAnnotatble | 20:52 |
| CrippsFX | *IAttributeAnotatable | 20:53 |
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| xbeanx | IAttributeAnnotatable | 20:53 |
| CrippsFX | xbeanx: yep. it was a typo | 20:54 |
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| CrippsFX | hm. I ca view localhost:8080, but localhost:8080/@@contents gives me a system error. It's a ComponentLookupError. In my ipdb component I have a utility registered as "ipdb.Computer" but from the browser subpackage, I have ipdb.Computer used as a factory in my "addMenuItem" directive ... the error I'm getting is that "getUtility" is raising the componentLookupError. I know this is a configuration problem ... and a small one ... I jsut can't re | 22:13 |
| CrippsFX | member how to fix it. | 22:13 |
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| philiKON | CrippsFX: you need an IFactory utility named 'ipdb.Computer' | 22:25 |
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| philiKON | J1m: ping | 22:46 |
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| J1m | philiKON, pong | 23:07 |
| philiKON | J1m: so i'm adding PasteDeploy capabiilities to zope.server | 23:08 |
| philiKON | so that you can connect WSGIPUblisherApplication (or any other WSGI app) to zope.server via PasteDeploy | 23:08 |
| J1m | why zope.server? | 23:08 |
| philiKON | and not via zope.app.server | 23:08 |
| philiKON | as an exercise | 23:08 |
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| philiKON | also, why not :) | 23:09 |
| J1m | something about this doesn't make sense to me. | 23:09 |
| philiKON | you were encouraging this the other day ;) | 23:09 |
| J1m | zope.server is just a wsgi server. | 23:09 |
| J1m | I encourage use of paste.Deploy. | 23:09 |
| philiKON | right, but you still need a function that pasteDeploy works with | 23:09 |
| philiKON | for each server and wsgi app, pastedeploy wants a callable with a certain signature | 23:09 |
| J1m | You need a "main" application. | 23:09 |
| philiKON | and that callable needs to be an entry point | 23:10 |
| J1m | Oh sure. | 23:10 |
| philiKON | right, the name of entry point doesn't actually matter | 23:10 |
| philiKON | the default is just "main" | 23:10 |
| J1m | Adding paste.Deploy entry points to zope.server makes sense. :) | 23:10 |
| philiKON | right | 23:10 |
| J1m | Is that all you're talking about? | 23:10 |
| philiKON | so that's what i'm doing | 23:10 |
| philiKON | yes | 23:10 |
| J1m | ah, ok | 23:10 |
| philiKON | anyway, my question is | 23:10 |
| philiKON | about version numbering | 23:10 |
| philiKON | i obviously want to release a new zope.server egg | 23:11 |
| philiKON | how do i increase the version number now? | 23:11 |
| J1m | Is this a trick question? | 23:11 |
| philiKON | what's the policy? | 23:11 |
| philiKON | i wish it was | 23:11 |
| J1m | Dis you read the thread on the mailing list? | 23:12 |
| J1m | Did you read the thread on the mailing list? | 23:12 |
| J1m | anyway, just increase the evrsion #. | 23:12 |
| philiKON | so it's 2.4.0b1 right now, this will beocme 2.4.1? | 23:12 |
| philiKON | is this not a feature? | 23:12 |
| J1m | It's 2.4 now? | 23:12 |
| philiKON | 2.4.0b1 | 23:12 |
| J1m | You mean 3.4? | 23:12 |
| philiKON | err | 23:12 |
| philiKON | 3.4.0b1 | 23:12 |
| J1m | so It would become 3.5. | 23:13 |
| philiKON | ok | 23:13 |
| J1m | You probably need to make a 3.4 branch. | 23:13 |
| J1m | Or maybe just release 3.4.0. | 23:13 |
| J1m | and tag it. | 23:13 |
| philiKON | gotcha | 23:13 |
| J1m | I doubt a branch is needed. | 23:13 |
| * philiKON doubts too | 23:13 | |
| philiKON | so, i wasn't sure whether we actually go ahead now and increase the major version | 23:14 |
| philiKON | independently | 23:14 |
| J1m | You'd be increasing the minor version, I believe. | 23:14 |
| * J1m needs to review version-number-compone nt-naming-jargon | 23:14 | |
| J1m | major.minor.maintenance | 23:16 |
| philiKON | ah, ok | 23:16 |
| J1m | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning | 23:16 |
| J1m | :) | 23:16 |
| philiKON | thanks | 23:16 |
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| derek_richardson | I'm in the unusual position of having cut my teeth on zope 3 without having done non-trivial work in zope 2. I have an application for zope 3.3 that I want to backport to zope 2.x (for some suitable value of x like 10). Is there documentation for going from z3->z2, instead of z2->z3? What's the best way to learn how to backport in this case? | 23:26 |
| Theuni_ | "Five" is the technology to mix Zope 2 and Zope 3 code. It will also help you integrate your Zope 3 code into Zope 2. | 23:32 |
| Theuni_ | If you're based on Zope 3.3 then you should be able to integrate it using Zope 2.10 as that is running Zope 3.3 as well. | 23:32 |
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| Theuni_ | You might want to update to the most current Five version that supports Zope 2.10 instead of the out-of-the-box version though. | 23:33 |
| philiKON_ | they usually go hand in hand though | 23:33 |
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| * derek_richardson is looking at http://codespeak.net/z3/ now. Thanks. | 23:34 | |
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