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| wiggy | Module zope.interface.adapter, line 430, in add_extendor | 00:25 |
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| wiggy | AttributeError: type object 'ICurrencyManager' has no attribute '__iro__' | 00:25 |
| wiggy | has anyone seen that before? | 00:25 |
| faassen | J1m_: I'm trying to make Zope and Grok work on windows. I have the problem that it keeps trying to build the ZODB 3.9-dev egg on windows, which fails, even if I specify that I want ZODB 3.8.0b2 in setup.py | 00:35 |
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| faassen | J1m_: on linux, it builds the ZODB 3.9-dev egg too, and then builds the ZODB 3.8 version and then uses the latter. | 00:36 |
| faassen | J1m_: but on a platform without a compiler I can't really afford the situation where it tries to build both.. | 00:36 |
| J1m_ | You must have a part in your buildout that is requesting ZODB without any restrictions. | 00:37 |
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| faassen | J1m_: hm. how do I find out which part? | 00:38 |
| J1m_ | run with -vv and you should be able to see who else is requiring zodb. | 00:38 |
| J1m_ | It reports why it is getting things. | 00:38 |
| faassen | okay, I'll run that again. | 00:38 |
| faassen | Should I be looking for 'Installing' output? | 00:40 |
| faassen | J1m_: ah, wait, there it is. zope.app.component must be | 00:41 |
| faassen | J1m_: but what is requiring zope.app.component, which part? | 00:41 |
| J1m_ | Whatever part is being installed or updated when you see that message. | 00:42 |
| faassen | okay, so you scroll up to the 'Installing' output. | 00:42 |
| J1m_ | It may be requiring it indirectly. | 00:42 |
| J1m_ | yes, or updating. | 00:42 |
| faassen | J1m_: if it requires it indirectly, and my buildout.cfg section says I want this version, would it still get the other version too? | 00:43 |
| J1m_ | no | 00:43 |
| J1m_ | what buildout is this? | 00:44 |
| faassen | it's grok's buildout. | 00:44 |
| J1m_ | url? | 00:44 |
| faassen | http://svn.zope.org/grok/trunk/buildout.cfg?rev=77933&view=markup | 00:44 |
| faassen | I think it's 'grokdoc' which is doing this somehow. | 00:44 |
| faassen | it depends on zope.pagetemplate and zope.app.render, and I think that might then be doing the nastiness. | 00:44 |
| J1m_ | grrrr, I wanted something I could check out. | 00:45 |
| * J1m_ figures it out... | 00:45 | |
| faassen | J1m_: svn.zope.org/repos/main/grok/trunk | 00:45 |
| J1m_ | Thanks | 00:46 |
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| J1m_ | hm, I should have suggested -v | 00:48 |
| J1m_ | :) | 00:48 |
| faassen | J1m_: :) | 00:48 |
| faassen | J1m_: anyway, it looks like it's grokdocs, I'm trying it with a hardcoded ZODB bit in the buildout.cfg now | 00:48 |
| J1m_ | right, in the docs part. | 00:49 |
| faassen | J1m_: thanks! | 00:49 |
| faassen | J1m_: hopefully I can make it work on window snow. | 00:49 |
| faassen | J1m_: it's frustrating that one has to repeat the requirements in multiple parts, is there a way around this? | 00:50 |
| J1m_ | well, you have a few months to do that. | 00:50 |
| faassen | J1m_: I was placing version requirements in setup.py to that purpose, but of course this one didn't use that setup.py. :) | 00:50 |
| faassen | J1m_: a few months? | 00:50 |
| J1m_ | until windows snow | 00:50 |
| faassen | J1m_: windows now, I meant. | 00:50 |
| J1m_ | oh! ;) | 00:50 |
| J1m_ | brb | 00:50 |
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| J1m_ | faassen, the versions sections lets you specify a specific version. | 01:12 |
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| J1m_ | That applies to the whole buildout. | 01:12 |
| faassen | J1m_: ah, I didn't realize that existed, thanks. | 01:15 |
| faassen | J1m_: still would be valuable to reuse this between buildouts. | 01:15 |
| faassen | J1m_: i..e if I have my application that wants to use the versions grok specifies. | 01:15 |
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| J1m_ | I'm not sure what you mean. | 01:16 |
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| faassen | J1m_: if I have someone who uses grok. | 01:17 |
| faassen | J1m_: I don't want to have to explain to them that in order to make their application work on windows | 01:18 |
| faassen | J1m_: they should list the exact same version listing as in grok's buildout.cfg in their own versions section. | 01:18 |
| faassen | J1m_: instead I want to say, we maintain this information for you. | 01:18 |
| J1m_ | Does grok work with zodb 3.7? | 01:18 |
| faassen | J1m_: I have no idea. | 01:18 |
| J1m_ | try using prefer-final = true in your buildout section. | 01:19 |
| faassen | J1m_: we tried that, that will fail. | 01:19 |
| J1m_ | why? | 01:19 |
| faassen | J1m_: we depend on various 3.4b eggs that don't have a final yet, I think. | 01:19 |
| faassen | J1m_: I mean, we could then make this part of the setup.py. | 01:19 |
| J1m_ | well, for those, you could require >=3.4dev | 01:20 |
| faassen | J1m_: anyway, I think there is value in being able to share these listings easily. | 01:20 |
| faassen | J1m_: yes, but then all the people who use grok applications will have to repeat this information. | 01:20 |
| faassen | J1m_: in their own buildout.cfg | 01:20 |
| faassen | J1m_: right? | 01:20 |
| J1m_ | well, buildout can load configuration files from urls. | 01:20 |
| faassen | J1m_: what about from python packages? | 01:21 |
| J1m_ | Let's switch to skype... | 01:21 |
| faassen | J1m_: if you specify this stuff in setup.py you almost have this reusability, but then you lose the flexibility. | 01:21 |
| faassen | J1m_: actually I should stop, I don't have time. :) | 01:21 |
| J1m_ | k | 01:21 |
| faassen | J1m_: it's just something that came up tonight. | 01:21 |
| J1m_ | Then lets discuss this later. | 01:21 |
| faassen | J1m_: we'll discuss it some other time. | 01:21 |
| faassen | J1m_: we intend to figure this out after this grok release. it's clear we have some stuff to figure out still. | 01:22 |
| faassen | J1m_: so it's good to know I can discuss it with you in the future. thanks! | 01:22 |
| J1m_ | later | 01:22 |
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| pcardune | is there a way to query for subscribers? i.e. get all the subscribers without actually calling them? | 05:34 |
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| pcardune | nvm, i figured it out | 05:39 |
| pcardune | I love how the act of asking the question, is 90% of the time shortly followed by the act of realizing the answer | 05:39 |
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| markusleist | Hi, which is the best way to traverse to an object in zope3 in my obj-methode outside the publisher? | 14:44 |
| markusleist | I have an object-path to obj2 (like '/a/b/c/obj2') via XML-RPC-call for obj1 in which I must check an attribute from obj2. | 14:44 |
| markusleist | Is there an adaption of "IPublishTraverse" for this purpose? | 14:44 |
| projekt01 | markusleist, just call the url of the view at the right context/url | 14:46 |
| projekt01 | traversing is the same as with browser views | 14:46 |
| projekt01 | you don't need to do something special | 14:46 |
| markusleist | I'll try it | 14:47 |
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| witsch | philiKON_: ayt? | 16:00 |
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| witsch | ah, hi J1m | 16:01 |
| J1m | hi, on the phone | 16:01 |
| witsch | J1m: i think i found a little problem in the latest version of zc.buildout | 16:01 |
| witsch | ah, sorry | 16:01 |
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| J1m | np | 16:03 |
| witsch | ok, when you're ready... in zc/buildout/buildout.py, line 976 it reads: "self._buildout._logger.warn("Couldn't clean up %r.", p)", but self has no attribute '_buildout' (see http://pastie.textmate.org/90001 for a log output). it seems this should be just "self.buildout._logger...", shouldn't it? | 16:04 |
| J1m | Oh right, I'm aware of that. | 16:05 |
| J1m | I haven't had time to work on a test so I can fix it. :) | 16:05 |
| witsch | J1m: ah, okay. just thought i'd let you know | 16:05 |
| J1m | wanna make sure there's a launchpad issue for it? | 16:05 |
| witsch | i got to leave in 10 or so minutes, but i'll be back online later today and will check | 16:06 |
| J1m | k | 16:06 |
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| witsch | J1m: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zc.buildout/+bug/134040 | 16:17 |
| J1m | Thanks | 16:17 |
| witsch | np | 16:17 |
| witsch | ok, later... :) | 16:24 |
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| markusleist | projekt01: sorry, I don't find "the right context"? I'm in my Browser-View of obj1 and wants to find obj2 by path '/a/b/obj2'. in my view of obj1 i have to use self.request to get (secure) access to obj2, right? But there is no 'url'; where my mistake? | 16:43 |
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| faassen | J1m: is it possible the mailman is wedged or gone? | 17:52 |
| faassen | J1m: it won't let me into into the web UI | 17:52 |
| J1m | It seems OK to me. | 17:53 |
| J1m | what are you trying to do? | 17:53 |
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| edgordon | what module autognerates names for objects being added to a container? | 18:57 |
| agroszer | something like from zope.app.container.contained import NameChooser | 18:58 |
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| fcorrea | Or a adapter for zope.app.container.interfaces.INameChooser | 19:00 |
| agroszer | zope.app.container.interfaces.IContainerNamesContainer | 19:01 |
| fcorrea | better ;) | 19:02 |
| agroszer | this is the place to look around | 19:02 |
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| edgordon | thanks | 19:07 |
| agroszer | welcome | 19:08 |
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| wiggy | J1m: do you know it if could be that the new simple index is mangling URLs? | 20:56 |
| wiggy | ah, no, it just sorts differently | 20:56 |
| * J1m ignores wiggy | 20:57 | |
| wiggy | heh | 20:57 |
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| wiggy | I feel like I don't understand the package index anymore | 21:11 |
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| J1m | wiggy, why is that? | 21:17 |
| wiggy | if I look at z3c.zalchemy on the cheeseshop I see 1.0.11 | 21:17 |
| wiggy | but if I do ==1.0.11 in my dependencies buildout can't find it | 21:18 |
| J1m | Please be specific about where you are looking. | 21:18 |
| J1m | what url? | 21:18 |
| wiggy | ok, now I feel stupid | 21:19 |
| wiggy | obvious zalchemy and sqlalchemy are not the same :( | 21:19 |
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| J1m | That's what you get for using alchemy. | 21:20 |
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| timte | :) | 21:21 |
| wiggy | adding prefer-final = true to buildout.cfg makes it abort on zope.component: http://paste.plone.org/16412 | 21:21 |
| wiggy | guess I get something else to poke at now :) | 21:21 |
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| J1m | Do you understand what the problem is? | 21:22 |
| wiggy | I have a rough idea | 21:22 |
| J1m | It is using an old version of zope.component because all of the newer versions are non-final. | 21:23 |
| wiggy | I suspect something depends on a declared feature that is not in a final version of zope.component | 21:23 |
| J1m | exactly. | 21:23 |
| wiggy | that means a final-something depends on a non-final something | 21:23 |
| J1m | we really need to get final versions of eggs out. | 21:23 |
| wiggy | is there a quick method to se what has that feature requirement? | 21:24 |
| J1m | run with -v. | 21:24 |
| J1m | That it tell why it is looking for releases. | 21:24 |
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| J1m | extras are handled oddly though. | 21:25 |
| J1m | which is one of the reasons I hate hate hate hate extras. | 21:25 |
| wiggy | heh, a list of 8 things to check | 21:25 |
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| J1m | Arguably, you should get a non-final release if none of the final releases satisfy your requirement. | 21:26 |
| wiggy | zope.app.pagetemplate I think | 21:26 |
| wiggy | and zope.app.securitypolicy and zope.app.component | 21:27 |
| J1m | so it looks like the prefer-final check is broken. :( | 21:27 |
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| J1m | But to fix it, I'll need to check extras, which I bet there aren't clean ways to do. | 21:27 |
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| wiggy | if you fix that having a separate require-final flag may be useful | 21:27 |
| J1m | maybe. | 21:28 |
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| wiggy | I'm still trying to find my way in pure zope 3 | 21:29 |
| wiggy | having everything happily working together in a zope 2 was just so easy | 21:30 |
| J1m | yeah. The transition to eggs is painful. I think it will be worth it in the end. | 21:30 |
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| wiggy | I have a situation here where grok requires zope.app.keyreference==3.4.0a1, which buildout finds | 21:31 |
| wiggy | but later it processes z3c.zalchemy which has an unversioned requirement for zope.app.keyreference and upgrades it to 3.5.0b1 | 21:32 |
| wiggy | and in the end notices it now has a conflict and aborts | 21:32 |
| wiggy | is there a way around that? | 21:32 |
| J1m | yes. | 21:32 |
| wiggy | explicit mention in buildout.cfg ? | 21:32 |
| J1m | yes, specify the version you want in the buildout. | 21:33 |
| J1m | wither in the eggs spec for the part of interest or using a versions section. | 21:33 |
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| J1m | either in the eggs spec for the part of interest or using a versions section. | 21:33 |
| J1m | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout/1.0.0b30#repeatable-buildouts-controlling-eggs-used | 21:34 |
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| wiggy | can you use >=1,<=1.999 there as well, or only exact versions? | 21:36 |
| J1m | no, only exact versions. | 21:36 |
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| wiggy | needed to add a version pin for ZODB3 as well and everything finally seems happy now | 21:39 |
| wiggy | thanks for the help! | 21:39 |
| J1m | Thanks for the bug report. | 21:39 |
| J1m | easy_install has a similar problem. | 21:40 |
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| wiggy | I wonder if it would be useful to download the package metadata from pypi to a machine so you can do dpkg/apt-like things with dependency analysis | 21:42 |
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| J1m | That's what will be needed to handle extras properly. | 21:44 |
| J1m | For handling conflicts, some sort of backtracking mechanism will be required. | 21:44 |
| J1m | setuptools doesn't do that, but I plan provide backtracking in buildout ... when I find the time. | 21:44 |
| wiggy | it's still too bad none of dpkg, apt and rpm have a real modular dependency solver | 21:45 |
| wiggy | we could have just reused that | 21:45 |
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| J1m | no, we need something that is cross platform. | 21:53 |
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| wiggy | a dependency solver is platform neutral | 21:55 |
| wiggy | it takes a very complex graph and works through it | 21:55 |
| J1m | Yeah, I suppose that there are libraries for that sort of thing. | 21:56 |
| wiggy | less than I'ld have thought last time I checked | 21:56 |
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| MacYET | moin | 21:56 |
| J1m | It's complicated by the fact that we don't want to load all of the data at once because it involves downloading distributions we might not use to fond their dependencies. | 21:57 |
| wiggy | then again the relations in pypi are much much simpler than what dpkg and rpm have to deal with | 21:57 |
| MacYET | does anyone know the location of Jim's alternative python-index implementation? | 21:57 |
| wiggy | download.zope.org/ppix/ | 21:57 |
| J1m | It would be nice if pypi exposed more meta data so it coudl be read without downloading distros. | 21:57 |
| MacYET | gratias | 21:58 |
| J1m | is pypi down again? | 21:58 |
| wiggy | isn't everything in the DOAP record? I never looked inside that | 21:58 |
| MacYET | no, i just could not remember the name | 21:58 |
| J1m | doap record? What's that? | 21:58 |
| wiggy | http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi?:action=doap&name=plone.app.openid&version=1.0.1 | 21:59 |
| J1m | MacYET, btw, it will eventuallt be replaced by download.zope.org/simple | 21:59 |
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| wiggy | there is nothing useful in there it seems | 21:59 |
| J1m | and setuptools doesn't read that. | 22:00 |
| J1m | It's not part of the setuptools index api. | 22:00 |
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| timte | If I create a thread and pass the root object to the thread, will that somehow open a new connection to the database? | 22:56 |
| timte | I'm getting "CRITICAL ZODB.DB DB.open() has 190 open connections with pool_size of 7" | 22:57 |
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