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| pcardune | is anyone else noticing that svn.zope.org seems to be down? | 06:18 |
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| afd_ | pcardune: I think it's related to the server move, it was detailed on the mailing list | 09:00 |
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| Theuni | gnarr | 11:49 |
| Theuni | the downtime has quite some impact | 11:50 |
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| ARiKA-2 | Hi... | 12:54 |
| ARiKA-2 | Zope_dir/lib/python would be the place where I add the packages I'm creating for only that current instance of Zope, isn't it? | 12:55 |
| Theuni | what is 'Zope_dir'? | 12:59 |
| Theuni | and also: is this zope 3? | 12:59 |
| ARiKA-2 | welll | 13:00 |
| Theuni | :) | 13:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | Zope_dir would be the path where a zope3 instance is | 13:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | and yes, of course I'm talking about Zope 3 | 13:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | :) | 13:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | I've thouught about developing my website throught Zope 3 and well... | 13:01 |
| ARiKA-2 | I'm rtfm... lol | 13:01 |
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| ARiKA-2 | It is supposed that using Zope 3 the result will be a website, isn't it? (more cool or less cool hahaha) | 13:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | Theuni: I've been some days playing around with zope 3 and It's a cool thing... At least you see a basic hierarchy fs system and then you code on top of that in order to create the website. | 13:04 |
| ARiKA-2 | Nice, so nice. | 13:04 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: if I understand your question correctly - the answer is - Zope3 uses a different model of "setting up" components than the one you expect | 13:05 |
| ARiKA-2 | People recommended me to use 2.x release of Zope, but well... 3 > 2 and I want to do my website by myself... | 13:05 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: with zope - you put everything in your python path, what differs is - configure.zcml files that hook everything up | 13:05 |
| ARiKA-2 | yeah... | 13:05 |
| ARiKA-2 | every thing it's going to work on the website has to have that file | 13:05 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: Zope3 is more for web applications and web frameworks rather than websites, at least IMHO | 13:06 |
| ARiKA-2 | where you define things to export to Zope and So.. I understand that. | 13:06 |
| ignas | doing a website using Zope3 is a bit heavy ;) | 13:06 |
| ARiKA-2 | ignas: I have time lol... | 13:06 |
| ARiKA-2 | But I want to do a powerful somewhat authoring website... | 13:06 |
| ARiKA-2 | and also I got bored of those LAMP systems.... :\ | 13:07 |
| ARiKA-2 | I liked that concept of "object publishing"... so that | 13:07 |
| ARiKA-2 | the filesystem you see in the ZMI is, as I expect, an object database or whatever (that ZODB thing)... | 13:08 |
| ARiKA-2 | and the database and it's objects are accessed throught http | 13:08 |
| ARiKA-2 | I'm not an expert but I'm beginning reading Zope 3 Book... | 13:08 |
| ARiKA-2 | After lots of time of coding a website will appear, like every piece of software lol | 13:09 |
| ARiKA-2 | hahahaha | 13:09 |
| * ignas is not even sure how one would start developing a Zope3 based website... but i can suggest: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/bazaar/zope3class/html/ | 13:09 | |
| ignas | and http://carduner.net/docs/z3c-tutorial/ | 13:09 |
| ARiKA-2 | hmm... | 13:10 |
| ignas | as quite comprehensible reads about Zope3 | 13:10 |
| ARiKA-2 | what's the real use of Zope 3? | 13:10 |
| ignas | hmm, it depends, Zope3 is evolving into a set of libraries | 13:10 |
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| ignas | with strong support for web applications | 13:10 |
| ARiKA-2 | aha | 13:10 |
| ignas | at least afaik | 13:10 |
| ARiKA-2 | used on python apps? | 13:11 |
| ignas | i mean - what Zope3 does - it adds te Component Architecture thingie | 13:11 |
| ignas | which means - you get an extension of Python programming language | 13:11 |
| ignas | what you use these new things for - is up to you then, but i'd not try working on a significant python application without zope.component ;) | 13:12 |
| ARiKA-2 | ahms... it's nice. | 13:12 |
| ignas | and when you get components - well you can build pretty nice web frameworks on top of it ;) | 13:12 |
| ignas | like Zope3 and then you do Grok on top of Zope3 to make it more accessible | 13:13 |
| ignas | but still - the most important thing is the component architecture, as it is pretty much an extended python, with new idioms and new ways of thinking about problems... | 13:14 |
| ARiKA-2 | yes yes I heard | 13:14 |
| ignas | I'd compare it to "multiple dispatch" support | 13:14 |
| ARiKA-2 | :) | 13:14 |
| ARiKA-2 | aha | 13:14 |
| ignas | with some downsides and some upsides compared to other "mutiple dispatch" libraries | 13:14 |
| ARiKA-2 | well... I continue on my Idea of coding and see what happens | 13:14 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:14 |
| ARiKA-2 | Zope 2 don't know if will be continued... | 13:15 |
| ARiKA-2 | But after I do my own website app in Zope3 | 13:15 |
| ARiKA-2 | well | 13:15 |
| ARiKA-2 | has to be pythonic at least | 13:15 |
| ARiKA-2 | hahaha | 13:15 |
| ignas | frankly - the some people think that Zope3 is very unpythonic ;) | 13:15 |
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| ignas | anyway - pythonic is a loaded term that I don't know the definition of | 13:16 |
| ARiKA-2 | I'm not a python developer really... | 13:16 |
| ignas | but I know that zcml is not pythonic ;) | 13:16 |
| ARiKA-2 | I know a little bit but I think I have to study something | 13:17 |
| ARiKA-2 | (in order to do the website) | 13:17 |
| ARiKA-2 | I'm more into C/C++ | 13:17 |
| ignas | well - if you are good with C++ - you can learn to operate pretty much any kind of insane machinery ;) | 13:18 |
| ARiKA-2 | yeah yeah... | 13:18 |
| ARiKA-2 | A friend of me introduced me into python... | 13:19 |
| ARiKA-2 | I read things in zope.org and I decided to do my website on zope as a virtual namehost of Apache, lol | 13:19 |
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| ignas | i see, well - If i had to do a zope3 application, i'd probably start with installing zopeproject, and creating a buildout for my application... | 13:21 |
| ARiKA-2 | zopeproject? | 13:21 |
| ARiKA-2 | what's that? | 13:21 |
| vimes656_ | is zope.org down? | 13:21 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zopeproject | 13:21 |
| ktwilight | vimes656_, apidoc.zope.org is accessible | 13:22 |
| ARiKA-2 | ignas: it serves for? | 13:22 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: related readings: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout/1.0.5 , http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.recipe.egg/1.0.0 and the z3c tutorial i have posted earlier | 13:22 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: sane Zope3 development and deployment ;) | 13:23 |
| vimes656_ | ktwilight: I can ping it but get time out error with the browser | 13:23 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: it's a set of scripts that set you up with a sandbox, that makes your project an egg that nicely plugs into Zope3 | 13:23 |
| ARiKA-2 | sane? | 13:23 |
| ARiKA-2 | is going blindly with Zope insane? | 13:23 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:23 |
| ignas | no Zope3 checkout, using eggs | 13:23 |
| ktwilight | vimes656_, it works nicely for me :) | 13:23 |
| ignas | using wsgi to serve your application | 13:24 |
| ARiKA-2 | hm I've got zope 3 installed already | 13:24 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:24 |
| ignas | using only modules that you actually depend on | 13:24 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: and how did you install it? | 13:24 |
| ARiKA-2 | welll | 13:24 |
| ARiKA-2 | I've got two installs | 13:24 |
| ARiKA-2 | one with the stable release | 13:24 |
| ARiKA-2 | and other with the svn checkout | 13:24 |
| ARiKA-2 | following the manual, I installed it... | 13:24 |
| ignas | the Zope Book you mean? | 13:25 |
| ARiKA-2 | yes | 13:25 |
| ignas | well - it will work | 13:25 |
| ignas | just that - personally I would not use that ;) | 13:25 |
| ARiKA-2 | give me a why :) | 13:25 |
| ignas | stability - trunk is not stable, you don't control it | 13:25 |
| ignas | dependencies - your product is not an egg, thus you can't easily add dependencies on z3c goodness | 13:26 |
| ARiKA-2 | yes yes, but the one working on the proper where is the stable... | 13:26 |
| ignas | up to dateness and convenience ... | 13:26 |
| ignas | start up speed even | 13:26 |
| ARiKA-2 | aha | 13:26 |
| ARiKA-2 | I've got a thing in my mind I want to ask... | 13:26 |
| ignas | yeah | 13:27 |
| ARiKA-2 | I've been playing with Zope 3 and I don't see any users configuration thing | 13:27 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:27 |
| ARiKA-2 | do I have to develop something for that? | 13:27 |
| ARiKA-2 | (I want some people posting on my website) | 13:27 |
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| ignas | ARiKA-2: well - I have no idea if there is a reasonable doc for setting up pluggable authentication utilities | 13:27 |
| ignas | but that's the name of the thing you will have to set up | 13:28 |
| ARiKA-2 | well | 13:28 |
| ARiKA-2 | There's a content about that... | 13:28 |
| ignas | if you want your "users" to be stored in your database | 13:28 |
| ARiKA-2 | I mean, for implementing Pluggable Authentication and so... | 13:28 |
| ARiKA-2 | yes, I want that | 13:28 |
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| ignas | i can't really explain how to do that step by step though | 13:29 |
| ARiKA-2 | yeah | 13:29 |
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| ignas | i'd do: http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs/search?q=pluggable+authentication | 13:29 |
| ARiKA-2 | but the basis is on the content type of Pluggable Authentication utility | 13:29 |
| ignas | and look for some people explaining it ;) | 13:29 |
| ARiKA-2 | on a folder site-management folder | 13:29 |
| ignas | all the parts that you need are there | 13:29 |
| ARiKA-2 | and getting a mess around there | 13:30 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:30 |
| ignas | you just have to hook them up | 13:30 |
| ignas | in some specific order ;) | 13:30 |
| ARiKA-2 | yeah... | 13:30 |
| ARiKA-2 | The book would say something... | 13:30 |
| ignas | quotes like: "agroszer: help, I'm stuck with Pluggable Authentication" in irc logs are very reassuring ;) | 13:31 |
| ARiKA-2 | alas it is possible to give the website a cool layout using the ZPT pages, isn't it? | 13:31 |
| ARiKA-2 | (as templates for content in the website) | 13:31 |
| ARiKA-2 | cool | 13:31 |
| ARiKA-2 | ignas: well | 13:32 |
| ARiKA-2 | after reading the book | 13:32 |
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| ARiKA-2 | I can create content types for my website and so :) | 13:32 |
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| ARiKA-2 | docs are cool | 13:32 |
| ARiKA-2 | but this thing has so less docs... | 13:32 |
| ignas | which thing - the buildout/zopeproject thing? | 13:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | zope zope | 13:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:33 |
| ignas | oh | 13:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | nah.. ignas If I get a website ready I'll write about Zope... | 13:35 |
| ARiKA-2 | :) | 13:35 |
| seletz | hi guys | 13:35 |
| ARiKA-2 | I'm getting so interested into zope that I printed all the zope book lol | 13:35 |
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| seletz | tarek: Why is it that we still habe no zc.buildout release? | 13:36 |
| seletz | The release 1.0.5 is clearly broken, we test for it in the current trunk, the test fails fi the patch is not applied etc. | 13:37 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: :) | 13:37 |
| seletz | ktwilight: sorry, i got yor pmsg yesterday too late | 13:37 |
| ktwilight | seletz, np :) | 13:38 |
| seletz | ktwilight: yes, I did ZODB mounts to reduce the ZCatalog memory load | 13:38 |
| seletz | ktwilight: its in the plone documentation on plone.org | 13:38 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: Zope3 seems to have this problem, you get all the documentation for "the brick" "the window" "The hammer" "the nail" and then they expect you to go build houses ;) | 13:39 |
| seletz | Anyone of the zc.buildout deities here? | 13:39 |
| ktwilight | seletz, pm ;) | 13:39 |
| ARiKA-2 | ignas: yeah... | 13:42 |
| ARiKA-2 | Will be a hard job to do my website lol | 13:42 |
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| ARiKA-2 | ignas: at least I got the concept... it simply throws out object contents... | 13:43 |
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| ARiKA-2 | and all the filesystem is an object database... | 13:43 |
| ARiKA-2 | I'm a lamp user so welll it changes a little bit... hahaha | 13:43 |
| tarek | seletz, hi | 13:44 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: indeed, actually - if you are not too keen on learning by reading code you might want to try http://grok.zope.org/ | 13:44 |
| tarek | seletz, because either Andreas either Jim needs to do it | 13:44 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: it's a friendly abstraction layer on top of Zope3 | 13:44 |
| ARiKA-2 | nah | 13:44 |
| seletz | tarek: thats most unfortunate | 13:44 |
| ARiKA-2 | want the hard way lol | 13:44 |
| ARiKA-2 | ignas: the more hard the more interesting is :) | 13:44 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: eh, these C/C++ people ;) | 13:44 |
| ARiKA-2 | I've read about that grok | 13:44 |
| ARiKA-2 | bah | 13:44 |
| ARiKA-2 | not really... | 13:44 |
| seletz | tarek: do you know a wayy around it locally? | 13:45 |
| ARiKA-2 | but well... I want to know Zope | 13:45 |
| ARiKA-2 | Would make me understand better what I do... I think... | 13:45 |
| ARiKA-2 | And my website would be more custom | 13:45 |
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| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:45 |
| seletz | tarek: the thing is, ppl here cannot do fresh buildouts because bootstrap.py always sucks the newest zc.buildout (which is broken) | 13:46 |
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| tarek | seletz you can instal a trunk revision of zc.buildout in your python environemnt | 13:46 |
| ignas | or just edit bootstrap.py | 13:47 |
| ARiKA-2 | nah ignas I will do it only with zope... | 13:47 |
| ignas | and make it use a specific version of buildout | 13:47 |
| tarek | seletz and send a mail to jim and andreas requesting a release, maybe.. sorry i am not release manager in pypi for this product | 13:48 |
| ARiKA-2 | if in my instance I create my python packages for my site into the lib/python dir instance's directory it will work, isn't it? | 13:48 |
| seletz | ignas: i treid that unsing some version spec in ws.reqire() there, but that did not work | 13:48 |
| seletz | tarek: yes i know -- but you're more deeply in it than me. I've only got access yesterday ;) | 13:48 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: no idea, i am not using the old style setup since like forever | 13:49 |
| ARiKA-2 | so what you use? lol | 13:49 |
| ignas | well - schooltool is a custom buildout | 13:49 |
| ignas | and ivija is using Zope from a checkout | 13:49 |
| ignas | with symlinks to the slugs directory | 13:50 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:50 |
| ignas | package-includes directory | 13:50 |
| ARiKA-2 | those are? | 13:50 |
| tarek | seletz i am out for lunch now, if Jim comes back here, try to catch him to ask that, if he doesnot have time ask him to put me in the release manager names (tarek) so i can do it this afternoon | 13:50 |
| ignas | with everything in src/ivija/ | 13:50 |
| tarek | seletz you need to explain him the whole story for this | 13:50 |
| ignas | so when you run you set the PYTHONPATH to include Zope3 and your product | 13:50 |
| tarek | bbl | 13:50 |
| seletz | tarek: thanks, will try | 13:50 |
| ignas | so one is - ultra old school, and the other is ultra new school ;) | 13:50 |
| seletz | tarek: and mahlzeit :) | 13:50 |
| ARiKA-2 | well | 13:51 |
| ARiKA-2 | I think using that dir lib/python | 13:51 |
| ARiKA-2 | I can make all the products of my web | 13:51 |
| ARiKA-2 | and then use them on the ZMI... | 13:51 |
| tarek | sorry about that, 1.0.5 shouldn't have been released in this state in the first place | 13:51 |
| ignas | ARiKA-2: the point is - neither of approaches that I know how to deal with are using Zope3 instances | 13:52 |
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| ignas | in the common kind of way | 13:52 |
| ARiKA-2 | so you don't use instances | 13:52 |
| ARiKA-2 | you simply checkout the tree | 13:52 |
| ARiKA-2 | and use from within there? | 13:52 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:52 |
| ignas | yeah | 13:53 |
| ARiKA-2 | I have last Zope trunk like that :) | 13:53 |
| ignas | or use buildout | 13:53 |
| ARiKA-2 | in the stable version of zope I'm using an instance... | 13:53 |
| ignas | not like any of these approaches is "correct" ;) | 13:53 |
| ARiKA-2 | if I re-install zope | 13:53 |
| ARiKA-2 | all my ocde would be on the instance | 13:53 |
| ignas | well - the "re-install" part sounds strange | 13:53 |
| ARiKA-2 | and then if I upgrade to a newer zope | 13:53 |
| ignas | what platform are you on>? | 13:54 |
| ARiKA-2 | then would be my packages on top of a newer ZOpe | 13:54 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:54 |
| ARiKA-2 | FreeBSD now... | 13:54 |
| ARiKA-2 | for reinstall | 13:54 |
| ARiKA-2 | I mean getting a new source | 13:54 |
| ARiKA-2 | and installing it on /usr/local/Zope3 | 13:54 |
| ignas | I see | 13:54 |
| ignas | well - no idea how you deal with that way of deploying Zope3 applications | 13:55 |
| ARiKA-2 | so the instance is really using the libs from there | 13:55 |
| ARiKA-2 | well | 13:55 |
| ignas | i mean - ubuntu is using eggs + wsgi approach | 13:55 |
| ARiKA-2 | "should" work.... | 13:55 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:55 |
| ignas | which means - zope instance is not there | 13:55 |
| ARiKA-2 | ahhh ok | 13:55 |
| ARiKA-2 | running the zhttpd | 13:55 |
| ARiKA-2 | and then using Apache with a virtual name host and mod_rewrite? | 13:55 |
| ignas | nope, using paste | 13:56 |
| ARiKA-2 | another webserver? | 13:56 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:56 |
| ignas | to hook up "applications" to "servers" | 13:56 |
| ignas | no paste is "glue" ;) | 13:56 |
| ARiKA-2 | ah ok | 13:56 |
| ARiKA-2 | like inetd | 13:56 |
| ARiKA-2 | :) | 13:56 |
| ignas | no | 13:56 |
| ARiKA-2 | no? | 13:56 |
| ignas | idea is this | 13:56 |
| ignas | pytohn packages are eggs | 13:56 |
| ignas | eggs have entry points | 13:56 |
| ARiKA-2 | yeah | 13:57 |
| ARiKA-2 | __init__.py yeah | 13:57 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 13:57 |
| ignas | no | 13:57 |
| ARiKA-2 | ah no? | 13:57 |
| ignas | setup.py | 13:57 |
| ARiKA-2 | thought that only served to add packages into your python... | 13:57 |
| ARiKA-2 | well... continue | 13:57 |
| ignas | there is a set of paste specific entry points that you can add to your egg | 13:57 |
| ARiKA-2 | aha | 13:57 |
| ARiKA-2 | so paste calls the entry point | 13:57 |
| ignas | like paste.server paste.application paste.middleware (the names are fake) | 13:57 |
| ARiKA-2 | and the entry point continues on its own... | 13:58 |
| ignas | the point is - paste can list all the eggs that have some entry point | 13:58 |
| ignas | so when you install and egg | 13:58 |
| ignas | it becomes "available" | 13:58 |
| ARiKA-2 | yeah... | 13:58 |
| ignas | then you have configuration file like "paste.ini" | 13:58 |
| ignas | that just says | 13:58 |
| ignas | get application "foo.bar" and run it using "zope.server" | 13:58 |
| ignas | on that port | 13:58 |
| ARiKA-2 | ahh | 13:58 |
| ARiKA-2 | cool | 13:58 |
| ignas | zope.server is in your pythonpath | 13:59 |
| ignas | foo.bar is in your pythonpath | 13:59 |
| ignas | both have the relevant entry points | 13:59 |
| ignas | so if you decide to switch server - you install another server | 13:59 |
| ignas | and change the paste.ini | 13:59 |
| ignas | same for applications | 13:59 |
| ignas | if your application is a proper egg | 14:00 |
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| ARiKA-2 | yeah... | 14:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | so paste is a python-server mapper | 14:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | no? | 14:00 |
| ignas | deployment on such a system is just making it available for paste in pythonpath | 14:00 |
| ignas | http://pythonpaste.org/ | 14:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | yeah yeah | 14:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | what I thought to do | 14:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | is running the zope server | 14:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | (in order to have the ftp also) | 14:00 |
| ARiKA-2 | ad having virtual hosts around the apache configuration | 14:01 |
| ARiKA-2 | *and | 14:01 |
| ignas | well - I am running schooltool on localhost:7080 and using mod_rewrite in apache to expose it on relevant address | 14:01 |
| ARiKA-2 | I want to create a little framework | 14:01 |
| ARiKA-2 | for my webs... | 14:01 |
| ARiKA-2 | and having on the database tree | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | /mysite/ | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | /mymathssite | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | one site is my website | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | a personal one... | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | implement a blogging thing | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | page thing etc | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | and the second | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | is a subdomain of my site | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | dedicated to be a mathematical referene | 14:02 |
| ARiKA-2 | I need a powerful site for that | 14:02 |
| * ignas has no idea what's the best way to set such thing up | 14:03 | |
| ARiKA-2 | well | 14:03 |
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| ARiKA-2 | I'm going to code somethign like plone | 14:04 |
| ignas | it's not related to the way you are deploying your server | 14:04 |
| ARiKA-2 | but not so big no... | 14:04 |
| ARiKA-2 | ah no? | 14:04 |
| ARiKA-2 | well | 14:04 |
| ARiKA-2 | the thing is that I need page documents | 14:04 |
| ARiKA-2 | that can convert mathematical latex strings | 14:04 |
| ARiKA-2 | into embedded pngs | 14:04 |
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| ARiKA-2 | ignas: I Think Zope permits lots of things... | 14:06 |
| ARiKA-2 | Beginning to believe that Zope is better than whatever LAMP ignas :) | 14:08 |
| ignas | in some ways it is | 14:09 |
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| ARiKA-2 | ignas: no... it really is. lol... | 14:25 |
| ARiKA-2 | it's a cool concept on web development, that object publishing thing :) | 14:25 |
| ARiKA-2 | as far as I know: | 14:25 |
| ARiKA-2 | zope have objec definitions on what packages you create | 14:26 |
| ARiKA-2 | from those definitions it instanciates files on the ZODB | 14:26 |
| ARiKA-2 | so every instance of an object is different | 14:26 |
| ARiKA-2 | then | 14:26 |
| ARiKA-2 | when you browse around a zope website | 14:26 |
| ARiKA-2 | it simply publishshes the content the object was programmed for (generating a webpage) | 14:27 |
| ARiKA-2 | coolest idea in the wolrd lol | 14:27 |
| ARiKA-2 | Also objects can interoperate with another objects (the interfaces things), so having an special type of object on a dir permits you access to all its capabilities... | 14:28 |
| ARiKA-2 | I have to finish reading the book in order to have more vision on that... | 14:28 |
| ignas | I am using Zope3 for 3 years and 5 months, so i it's a bit more difficult for me to get enthusiastic about it ;) | 14:28 |
| ignas | the novelty wears off after some time ;) | 14:28 |
| ARiKA-2 | Well | 14:31 |
| ARiKA-2 | I'm a freak... | 14:31 |
| ARiKA-2 | I get so enthusiastic... | 14:31 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 14:31 |
| ARiKA-2 | ignas: about multilingual things... | 14:32 |
| ARiKA-2 | shall I use the translation domains for that? | 14:32 |
| ARiKA-2 | :( | 14:32 |
| ARiKA-2 | Translating my pages with that would be too much work lol | 14:32 |
| ARiKA-2 | Now I'm reading... | 14:32 |
| ARiKA-2 | I can make pages being containers of translations | 14:32 |
| ARiKA-2 | so when you enter the page the proper translation is shown... | 14:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | I have to reach that topic on the book... :( | 14:33 |
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| philiKON | hi | 16:02 |
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| philiKON | hi again :) 3g connectivity from trains is a bit flaky ;) | 16:20 |
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| seletz | Hi guys | 16:36 |
| seletz | J1m: Hi, the zc.buildout release 1.0.5 is still on PyPi. I've fixed the tests in trunk to proove that they're actually fix the problem (as advised by Andreas Jung). | 16:37 |
| J1m | k | 16:38 |
| seletz | J1m: The problem at hand is thet buildouts which ran on 1.0.4 now do not longer run -- and a bootstrab does always get the newest version -- rendering peoples development systems rather unusable. | 16:39 |
| J1m | sigh | 16:39 |
| seletz | J1m: tarek would do the release, but he can't, because he has no access. | 16:39 |
| seletz | (on PyPi, I mean) | 16:39 |
| J1m | I cann fix that. | 16:40 |
| J1m | what is his pypi id? | 16:40 |
| seletz | "tarek" | 16:40 |
| seletz | tarek: I't is, is it? | 16:40 |
| J1m | ok, he should be good now. | 16:41 |
| J1m | tarek, thanks! :) | 16:41 |
| seletz | J1m: Thank you. | 16:41 |
| seletz | J1m: Sorry to bother you wit this, but having broken releases is rather annoying -- especially for such a important package. | 16:41 |
| J1m | Yup. | 16:42 |
| J1m | I greatly appreciate your effort! | 16:42 |
| seletz | heh, I just want my buildouts to run again ;) | 16:42 |
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| ARiKA-2 | ignas: I continue my reads in the book... it's simply interesting... lol | 16:48 |
| ignas | :) | 16:51 |
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| ARiKA-2 | ignas: I'm reading about ZCML... so you always have those things in your packages, isn't it? | 17:37 |
| ARiKA-2 | :) | 17:37 |
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| ignas | ARiKA-2: yes | 17:50 |
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| ARiKA-2 | ignas: well ignas I've played with the python on the Zope 3 | 18:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | it is more easy to develop a website than doing php | 18:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | lol | 18:33 |
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| ignas | ARiKA-2: :) | 18:47 |
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| ARiKA-2 | I got a question | 18:52 |
| ARiKA-2 | given a class to ItemTypePrecondition() | 18:52 |
| ARiKA-2 | all the inherited classes from that one would be accepted items on a IContained object? | 18:52 |
| ARiKA-2 | *IContainer | 18:53 |
| ARiKA-2 | (itemtypeprecodition from zope.app.container.constraints) | 18:54 |
| ignas | i guess | 18:54 |
| ARiKA-2 | yes, no? | 18:56 |
| ignas | i think - yes | 18:59 |
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| ARiKA-2 | ok, thank you :) | 19:00 |
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| afd_ | ARiKA-2: look also at container(someinterface) and contains(some_interfaces) as means to setup container constraints, they're easier to grasp | 19:35 |
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| ARiKA-2 | afd_: sorry, I don't understand you... | 19:38 |
| ARiKA-2 | that thing is on the apidoc | 19:38 |
| ARiKA-2 | isn't it? | 19:38 |
| ARiKA-2 | huh | 19:41 |
| ARiKA-2 | that Help button is useful | 19:41 |
| ARiKA-2 | lots of help lol | 19:41 |
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| ARiKA-2 | when I generate a content type... | 20:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | may I use __init__() method on the interface in order to generate subcontent? | 20:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | I mean... | 20:33 |
| ARiKA-2 | what's the timeline of creation of an object | 20:34 |
| ARiKA-2 | where I should use an __init__() method in order to create a subtree of the object? (this will be saved inside the object really) | 20:35 |
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