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| mintsauce | Hi all, im trying to start up a dusty old site, but not having much success. I'd appreciate any insights you might have into the following error: | 23:01 |
| mintsauce | http://paste.lisp.org/display/116523 | 23:02 |
| mintsauce | Now I look at it away from the terminal, i can see ..'zope.configuration.config.ConfigurationConflictError: Conflicting configuration actions 'on zope.app.publisher-3.8.1-py2.5.egg VS zope.publisher-3.12.0-py2.5.egg through the zcml | 23:05 |
| mintsauce | I vaguely remember 'upgrading' to 3.12 from 3.8 for some reason.... | 23:05 |
| * mintsauce goes off to trawl svn history | 23:05 | |
| mgedmin | upgrade or remove zope.app.publisher | 23:06 |
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| mintsauce | Ahh ..... it's there because before I was getting 'The version, 3.8.0, is not consistent with the requirement, 'zope.publisher>=3.12'' | 23:06 |
| mintsauce | But im not sure what required it...... | 23:07 |
| mintsauce | zope.app.publisher has matching 3.12 version? | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | presumably when someone moved zcml from zope.app.publisher to zope.publisher, they released newer versions of both | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | z.a.p should now be a thin wrapper around z.publisher | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | if the usual z.a.foo -> z.foo migration is what happened here | 23:09 |
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| mintsauce | .j html | 23:13 |
| mintsauce | oops | 23:13 |
| mintsauce | All kinds of components are requesting more recent versions than what my current versions.cfg has them set to. How do i find out what's requesting these new versions? | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | you can't | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | welcome to the wonderful world of zope 3 development | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | your complimentary hairshirt awaits in the lounge | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | you may try to infer something from bin/buildout -vvv since it prints what packages it's getting in some kind of graph traversal order, iirc | 23:16 |
| mgedmin | or you can find ~/.buildout/eggs -name 'REQUIRES.txt' | xargs grep '>=' | 23:17 |
| mintsauce | both good ideas, thanks | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | it's spelled requires.txt in lowercase, actually | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | maybe there's a way and I just don't know it? | 23:18 |
| mintsauce | copious amounts of swearing helps - if past experience is anything to go by | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | a wholesale upgrade of your kgs might be simpler | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | or it might not | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/buildout-versions can help you maintain sanity | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | i.e. "pin everything that's not pinned yet, otherwise someone will break my stuff with a new incompatible release" | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | of course that requires that you get to a working state first | 23:22 |
| mintsauce | So ... started afresh and already im getting 'We already have: zc.buildout 1.5.2' | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | ah, the zc.buildout hurdle | 23:37 |
| mgedmin | or jump | 23:37 |
| mgedmin | or hill | 23:37 |
| mgedmin | myabe | 23:37 |
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| mintsauce | ....? | 23:39 |
| mintsauce | mountain? | 23:39 |
| mintsauce | (should add, im working in a virtualenv with the no site packages and distribute option) | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | hump | 23:43 |
| mgedmin | iirc upgrading from 1.4.x buildout to 1.5.x buildout requires you to replace bootstrap.py with a new version | 23:43 |
| mgedmin | I may be wrong | 23:44 |
| mintsauce | heh .... google search finds you complaining about this last month ;) | 23:44 |
| mgedmin | really? | 23:45 |
| mintsauce | mgedminwheee, zopeproject fails for me --- version conflict, we already have zc.buildout 1.5.2, it doesn't say which version it wants | 23:45 |
| mintsauce | mgedminwhy am I still involved with this? | 23:45 |
| mintsauce | http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs-zope/%23zope.2010-10-20.log.html | 23:45 |
| * mgedmin sighs | 23:46 | |
| mgedmin | I wish I had more patience and a sunnier outlook | 23:46 |
| mintsauce | long term exposure to zcml/cfg files does that to you ;) | 23:47 |
| mgedmin | zcml, actually, is not the worst part of zope | 23:47 |
| mintsauce | what is? | 23:49 |
| mintsauce | IYHO | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | too much complexity | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | + insufficient support around that complexity (docs, ensuring backwards compatibility/smooth upgrades, support on irc from people who know what's happening there instead of just guessing like I do) | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | it's hard to berate volunteers for not providing support after they spent so much effort building the stuff | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | so I'm thinking maybe the scope was too big | 23:52 |
| mgedmin | repoze.bfg and its successor pyramid is interesting: have you seen their docs? | 23:52 |
| mintsauce | Support has always been an issue. 30 irc channel members vs 173 for plone | 23:52 |
| mintsauce | upside is, I occasionally get to talk one-to-one to someone in the know | 23:53 |
| mintsauce | repoze looks great, but im actually moving out of my back-end role - this is an old zope3 project i still support | 23:54 |
| mintsauce | mgedmin: Do you have a copy of the latest / working bootstrap.py? | 23:54 |
| mgedmin | I get it from zc.buildout's svn | 23:54 |
| mgedmin | I believe you can pip install zc.buildout + buildout init => will create it in $PWD, along with an empty buildout.cfg, or sth like that | 23:55 |
| mintsauce | thanks | 23:56 |
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