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| CIA-46 | tseaver * r112303 /ZODB/branches/tseaver-better_repozo_tests: Get this in better. | 20:46 |
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| CIA-46 | Hooks for testability: | 20:46 |
| CIA-46 | Raise an exception from 'do_full_backup' / 'do_incremental_backup' where | 20:46 |
| CIA-46 | we would have called sys.exit(2) to avoid overwriting files. Catch the | 20:46 |
| CIA-46 | exception in 'main' and do the same error reporting / exit. | 20:46 |
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| CIA-46 | backup filenames. | 20:46 |
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| digilord | Is there a way to build a socket server in ZOPE that connects to another device over a socket and is still able to communicate to my ZOPE app? | 22:56 |
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| runyaga | digilord, sure | 23:12 |
| digilord | runyaga: I am all eyes ;) | 23:12 |
| runyaga | sockert server that connects to another device? | 23:13 |
| runyaga | do you mean.. "open up a socket in Zope which connects to another device" ? | 23:13 |
| digilord | runyaga: Yes | 23:13 |
| runyaga | use a external methdo | 23:13 |
| runyaga | external method | 23:13 |
| runyaga | def mymethod(self): | 23:13 |
| runyaga | socket.connect(..) | 23:13 |
| runyaga | just regular python | 23:13 |
| shen-long | no crap? | 23:14 |
| digilord | runyaga: I need bi-directional comms | 23:14 |
| runyaga | is this a long running communication? | 23:14 |
| digilord | runyaga: I have an external twisted server but it needs data from zope. I am writing files to the filesystem right now | 23:14 |
| digilord | runyaga: Yeah should run all the time | 23:14 |
| digilord | runyaga: It's not polled comms | 23:14 |
| runyaga | and you want zope to connect to twister; and twisted to connect to zope? | 23:15 |
| shen-long | hmm, is there a way to spawn a twisted reactor in the same thread as a zeo client ? | 23:15 |
| digilord | runyaga: The device will connect and talk to the server whenever it has data the server needs. | 23:15 |
| runyaga | shen-long, yes.. see zc.async | 23:15 |
| digilord | runyaga: Yes | 23:15 |
| shen-long | checking now | 23:15 |
| runyaga | digilord, unsure other than writing a zserver | 23:15 |
| runyaga | filesystem sounds good to me | 23:16 |
| runyaga | inotify + filesystem | 23:16 |
| runyaga | super simple ;) | 23:16 |
| shen-long | runyaga, we're connecting to a sip server | 23:17 |
| runyaga | digilord, or maybe beanstalkd? amqp? | 23:17 |
| shen-long | so it's got an event layer | 23:17 |
| shen-long | and in it's config we can point events to sockets (ie, when this thing happens, take your session data and bring it to this socket) | 23:17 |
| runyaga | it has an event layer but you need to react to the events across both processes | 23:17 |
| shen-long | yup | 23:17 |
| runyaga | in the sip server you can point it to a socket? | 23:18 |
| shen-long | yes indeed | 23:18 |
| shen-long | so perhaps two sockets? | 23:18 |
| shen-long | or .. more, of course | 23:18 |
| digilord | It's the control channel | 23:18 |
| runyaga | i think filessystem + inotify still good idea ;) | 23:18 |
| runyaga | http://svn.zope.org/Zope/trunk/src/ZServer/ | 23:18 |
| runyaga | although i think this is more complicated than filesystem ;-) | 23:18 |
| runyaga | sounds like your having a problem with zope "picking up" the events | 23:18 |
| shen-long | so, inotify, I get | 23:18 |
| runyaga | how about just sending zope http POST? | 23:19 |
| shen-long | well, we were looking at twist for zope | 23:19 |
| digilord | runyaga: The device has it's own protocol that we didn't design | 23:19 |
| shen-long | so it doesn't seem like it will be too hard to have twisted reactors hit objects, validate and persisit | 23:19 |
| shen-long | persist | 23:19 |
| digilord | runyaga: It just opens a TCP socket and talks over that | 23:19 |
| runyaga | well if its a socket... | 23:19 |
| runyaga | write a long running tcp socket server that reads and marshalls it to PUTs ? | 23:20 |
| shen-long | hmm | 23:20 |
| shen-long | ok | 23:20 |
| runyaga | i mean.. simple ;-) | 23:20 |
| shen-long | lol | 23:20 |
| runyaga | and super easy to debug | 23:20 |
| runyaga | http://svn.zope.org/Zope/trunk/src/ZServer/ICPServer.py?rev=110402&view=auto | 23:20 |
| shen-long | no crap | 23:20 |
| runyaga | is probably the simplest "zserver channel" | 23:20 |
| shen-long | because, we're very async already | 23:20 |
| runyaga | but this is going to be more difficult to debug | 23:20 |
| shen-long | anything sync is handled inside the sip server currently | 23:20 |
| shen-long | I just feel like I'm asking the wrong question ;p | 23:21 |
| runyaga | you could be | 23:21 |
| runyaga | and i should be doing work | 23:21 |
| runyaga | but i will talk to you for a few more minutes before getting back to work ;) | 23:21 |
| shen-long | w00t! ;p | 23:22 |
| shen-long | let me try and articulate the problem | 23:22 |
| shen-long | instead of asking you for a solution | 23:22 |
| runyaga | good mna | 23:22 |
| shen-long | so, we're using zodb to store configuration data | 23:22 |
| shen-long | it's ... f'ing amazing | 23:22 |
| shen-long | so, now we're spoiled with objects and containment | 23:22 |
| runyaga | yup | 23:22 |
| runyaga | persistence - check | 23:23 |
| shen-long | lol, yeah | 23:23 |
| shen-long | so, we are generating config for the system from the zope objects | 23:23 |
| shen-long | and that's also wonderful | 23:23 |
| shen-long | we have a working implementation of a socket reactor in twisted (tcp) | 23:24 |
| shen-long | that when an event in the system (go to bill's voicemail) | 23:24 |
| shen-long | is fired, we wind up at that correct twisted reactor with our session vars, in python | 23:24 |
| shen-long | to then cut the dictionaries up and spread the data where it needs to go for the actual call to work as expected by a user | 23:25 |
| shen-long | press 1 for this, etc | 23:25 |
| shen-long | catch button presses | 23:25 |
| shen-long | we could love to have this data in zope | 23:25 |
| shen-long | at the correct object | 23:25 |
| shen-long | without too many middle man layers | 23:26 |
| shen-long | like, bill was called by "number here" on "date.time" | 23:26 |
| shen-long | crud like that | 23:26 |
| runyaga | how about opening up a zeoclient in your sip server and jus write to the database? | 23:26 |
| shen-long | that sounds spectacular | 23:26 |
| shen-long | should I read up more on how a zeoclient is built ? | 23:26 |
| runyaga | your already using ZEO, probably? | 23:27 |
| shen-long | not yet, for this project | 23:27 |
| shen-long | but I've used it before for plone | 23:27 |
| runyaga | http://zodb.org/documentation/articles/index.html | 23:27 |
| runyaga | instead of a FileStorage you will use a ClientStorage | 23:28 |
| runyaga | but instead of doing all of this | 23:28 |
| runyaga | you already have the sip server dumping events to FS, correct? | 23:28 |
| runyaga | no other changes needed | 23:29 |
| runyaga | it Just Works(tm) | 23:29 |
| shen-long | wow | 23:29 |
| digilord | runyaga: No events are only sent to socket connected devices | 23:29 |
| shen-long | we could write something in twisted to dump those to the fs I guess | 23:29 |
| runyaga | right | 23:29 |
| runyaga | so what you could do | 23:29 |
| runyaga | write a daemon that receives the socket comm from sip + writes to a*separate* ZEO database | 23:30 |
| runyaga | then in the Zope/Plone/wahtever end; have a ZEO client connecting to the same database | 23:30 |
| shen-long | yes | 23:30 |
| shen-long | got it | 23:30 |
| runyaga | voila - you get your objects and something fairly reasonable easy to debug | 23:30 |
| runyaga | the only suck part is running another service | 23:30 |
| runyaga | and if that is unbearable; your only other choice is to write a Zope ZServer channel | 23:31 |
| shen-long | man, you got the wheels moving I think ;p | 23:31 |
| runyaga | great | 23:31 |
| shen-long | thank you very very much | 23:31 |
| runyaga | and on that note i need to get back to work; have good weekend | 23:31 |
| shen-long | ok, one more question though | 23:31 |
| shen-long | we want to take the data from the middle man db, and then write the correct information into the configuration / ui zodb | 23:32 |
| runyaga | no no no no | 23:32 |
| shen-long | is that correct ? | 23:32 |
| runyaga | so you have zope process - right? | 23:32 |
| shen-long | k, thought I was missing that point ;) | 23:32 |
| shen-long | right | 23:32 |
| runyaga | and you have a UI there? | 23:32 |
| shen-long | yes | 23:32 |
| runyaga | so that is 1 database | 23:33 |
| shen-long | right | 23:33 |
| runyaga | you will need to setup another database in your zope that talks to a ZEO server | 23:33 |
| runyaga | "another database" | 23:33 |
| runyaga | so lets say you have | 23:33 |
| runyaga | <db man> | 23:33 |
| runyaga | your existing system | 23:33 |
| runyaga | </db> | 23:33 |
| runyaga | that was suppose to be <db main> | 23:33 |
| shen-long | <db events> | 23:33 |
| runyaga | right | 23:33 |
| runyaga | which is a SEPARATE ZODB | 23:33 |
| runyaga | and the only thing that it should have is BTree's (scalable containers) and PersistentMappings (your events) | 23:34 |
| runyaga | then.. | 23:34 |
| runyaga | your zope application UI simply needs to get a reference to this database (mounted database?) and do the needful | 23:34 |
| shen-long | lol .. do the needful | 23:34 |
| shen-long | I've been in that industry :D | 23:35 |
| digilord | Bsed on the event type can we have something kick off a method? | 23:35 |
| runyaga | today: you have 1 database, tomorrow: you need 2 database (original + "events db") | 23:35 |
| runyaga | oh right | 23:35 |
| runyaga | you need to "react" to these events in zope? | 23:35 |
| shen-long | right | 23:35 |
| digilord | Aye | 23:35 |
| runyaga | what sort of "reaction" ? | 23:35 |
| digilord | Decide what to do with a call | 23:36 |
| runyaga | zope has all of this knowledge? | 23:36 |
| runyaga | so its not just for UI | 23:36 |
| shen-long | you know | 23:36 |
| shen-long | I think we're over thinking this part of it | 23:36 |
| runyaga | i hope so.. if you dont have a reason .. dont fiddle with it | 23:37 |
| runyaga | just get the events there | 23:37 |
| shen-long | we just want to move correlated data from one db, into the objects for another | 23:37 |
| shen-long | so like, we have db1.somedomain.user | 23:37 |
| shen-long | and all his caller id information and call log, voicemail is in the other db | 23:38 |
| runyaga | but that person is siimply getting a "view" of the data - right? | 23:38 |
| shen-long | right | 23:38 |
| runyaga | i.e. they gto a UI and they see call log, voice mail, etc | 23:38 |
| shen-long | I just don't know how that works codified | 23:38 |
| shen-long | like, does zope care we're talking to db1 or db2 | 23:39 |
| runyaga | so extend the UI to also do the lookup in the events database | 23:39 |
| runyaga | no | 23:39 |
| shen-long | we just use a relation/alias ? | 23:39 |
| runyaga | once you have references to the database.. if your using the "standard plumbing" it works the same way you expect it to | 23:39 |
| shen-long | ahh ok | 23:39 |
| runyaga | no | 23:39 |
| runyaga | just do the look up in your UI | 23:39 |
| shen-long | so it's just a different 'file' | 23:39 |
| shen-long | on the filesystem | 23:39 |
| shen-long | on another machine, written to by another service | 23:39 |
| shen-long | but it's still in the same zope land for us | 23:40 |
| runyaga | yes | 23:40 |
| shen-long | so we can write to each dbs objects and persist them as we need, as if by magic ? | 23:40 |
| runyaga | maybe its not good enough | 23:40 |
| runyaga | yes | 23:40 |
| runyaga | well its not magic | 23:40 |
| runyaga | you still need to commit transaction | 23:40 |
| shen-long | right | 23:40 |
| runyaga | and synchronize the db connection | 23:40 |
| runyaga | and watch out for cnoflicterrors | 23:40 |
| runyaga | I would HIGHLY suggest using ZODB 3.9.5 | 23:40 |
| runyaga | if you move to this confniguration | 23:41 |
| shen-long | I think we are | 23:41 |
| runyaga | that can prevent accidental cross database references | 23:41 |
| runyaga | iirc | 23:41 |
| shen-long | using latest grok | 23:41 |
| runyaga | just double check ;) | 23:41 |
| shen-long | sure thing :p | 23:41 |
| shen-long | looking now | 23:41 |
| runyaga | allrighty | 23:41 |
| runyaga | good luck guys | 23:41 |
| shen-long | runyaga, thanks man :) | 23:41 |
| shen-long | very much | 23:41 |
| shen-long | nope | 23:42 |
| shen-long | need to upgrade | 23:42 |
| shen-long | heh | 23:42 |
| shen-long | thanks again :) | 23:42 |
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| CIA-46 | jim * r112315 ZODB/src/ (6 files in 4 dirs): reverted a premature commit | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112316 /ZODB/branches/jim-transform-wrapping: Try to sort out supporting wrappers that perform data transformation. | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | jim jim-transform-wrapping * r112317 ZODB/src/ (6 files in 4 dirs): moved premature commit to branch | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | jim jim-transform-wrapping * r112318 ZODB/src/ZODB/ (7 files in 3 dirs): checkpoint | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | jim jim-transform-wrapping * r112319 ZODB/src/ZODB/tests/hexstorage.py: checkpoint | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112320 ZODB/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | Databases now warn when committing very large records (> 16MB). | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | This is to tr to warn people of likely design mistakes. There is a | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | new option (large_record_size/large-record-size) to control the | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | Index: src/CHANGES.txt | 23:53 |
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