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| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112441 grok/buildout.cfg: use the *checkout* URLs to refer to files in the repository | 14:19 |
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| CIA-46 | janwijbrand 1.1 * r112442 grok/buildout.cfg: use the *checkout* URLs to refer to files in the repository. point to the 1.1 branch of the groktoolkit. | 14:37 |
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| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112444 grokproject/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fix the tests for the extends-cache directory, ecnode the initial password as ssha | 15:17 |
| CIA-46 | gotcha * r112445 zope.schema/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 15:17 |
| CIA-46 | - fix validation of schema with Object Field that specify Interface schema. | 15:17 |
| CIA-46 | - improve tests for validation of cycles | 15:17 |
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| digilord | Can anyone tell me what resolveRelationToken returns when there is no relation for a given object? The source for zc.relation doesn't have an indication of that case | 15:26 |
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| CIA-46 | ctheune * r112446 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Clean up zope-dev summaries, update today's agenda, wire up the sphinx parts. | 15:31 |
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| CIA-46 | baijum * r112447 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100518.rst: typo | 15:46 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112448 grokproject/ (grokproject/template/buildout.cfg_tmpl CHANGES.txt): use zope.password for the zpasswd command line utility | 15:46 |
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| do3cc | Where is the right place to fill bugs for five.pt? | 16:36 |
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| Charlie_X | do3cc launchpad | 16:55 |
| do3cc | yes right, which project, I thought every zope package got its own project there | 16:57 |
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| j-w | hannosch_: thanks for writing down the ztk-team-meeting minutes | 17:02 |
| hannosch_ | j-w: sorry, for being so late :) | 17:02 |
| hannosch_ | I tried hard to disqualify myself as a secretary ;) | 17:03 |
| j-w | well, you can make up for the delay of course, by trying again today *big wink* | 17:03 |
| hannosch_ | j-w, ccomb: we have a meeting now? | 17:03 |
| j-w | fine by me | 17:03 |
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| j-w | let me try to make some notes this time | 17:04 |
| hannosch_ | sure, thx! | 17:04 |
| hannosch_ | I put them into svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zopetoolkit/doc/source/releaseteam | 17:04 |
| j-w | ok | 17:04 |
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| hannosch_ | ccomb: you here? | 17:05 |
| ccomb | hannosch_ | 17:05 |
| hannosch_ | ccomb: you have time for a meeting now? | 17:07 |
| ccomb | yep | 17:08 |
| * ccomb reading the meeting minute | 17:08 | |
| hannosch_ | ok, agenda items for today: approve last agenda, check on tasks as mentioned there, new business | 17:08 |
| j-w | last agenda? | 17:09 |
| hannosch_ | eh, summary | 17:09 |
| j-w | ok :-) | 17:10 |
| hannosch_ | is the stuff I wrote correct, do you want it changed | 17:10 |
| j-w | I agree with the summary | 17:10 |
| ccomb | mostly too | 17:11 |
| j-w | mostly? | 17:11 |
| ccomb | I'm not sure about the ztk.cfg and zopeapp.cfg | 17:11 |
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| j-w | for the release outcome? | 17:11 |
| ccomb | I've doing some tests in a branch | 17:11 |
| ccomb | I've tried separating versions from ztk.cfg and zopeapp.cfg | 17:11 |
| ccomb | to have a single versions.cfg file | 17:11 |
| ccomb | so that the checkversions script can overwrite it | 17:12 |
| hannosch_ | mmh, we also had the idea of a deprecated.cfg - maybe zopeapp.cfg should just be named that? | 17:12 |
| ccomb | +1 | 17:12 |
| j-w | hannosch_: i'd rather not do that yet | 17:12 |
| j-w | as there's stuff in there that's in use | 17:13 |
| j-w | in a not-deprecated way | 17:13 |
| ccomb | I was suggesting "deprecating" instead | 17:13 |
| ccomb | so : not yet deprecated, but moving out | 17:13 |
| j-w | zope.app.swgi for example | 17:13 |
| j-w | zope.app.wsgi | 17:13 |
| j-w | so, yes, a lot of zope.app.* package will move to a deprecating.cfg list | 17:14 |
| ccomb | we can have a moving-in file, a core ztk file, and an moving-out file | 17:14 |
| j-w | but not just rename zopeapp.cfg to deprecating.cfg | 17:14 |
| ccomb | ok, so we keep zopeapp for the moment, and we add a deprecating? | 17:15 |
| j-w | +1 | 17:15 |
| hannosch_ | works for me | 17:15 |
| ccomb | and we move only a few files to deprecating | 17:15 |
| CIA-46 | hannosch * r112449 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/releaseteam/ (meeting-20100506.rst index.rst): Add notes from first meeting | 17:15 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112450 grokproject/ (5 files in 2 dirs): do not use a console_script entry point for the interactive debugger, but have a buildout part generate the tool | 17:15 |
| CIA-46 | satchit satchit-sharedconfig-recipe * r112451 zc.recipe.deployment/README.txt: removed trailing whitespace. | 17:15 |
| hannosch_ | I think there's two things "under-review" like zope.xmlpickle and something else | 17:16 |
| hannosch_ | should those move to deprecating? | 17:16 |
| j-w | (does the name CIA-46 mean anything?) | 17:16 |
| j-w | I ddi not look at them yet | 17:16 |
| hannosch_ | it's a commit bot | 17:16 |
| j-w | I guess we should make an action point out of the under-review section | 17:17 |
| hannosch_ | ok. we have the bigger task of looking at Tres list anyways | 17:17 |
| j-w | yes | 17:17 |
| hannosch_ | how should we go about that? | 17:18 |
| ccomb | which lists? | 17:18 |
| hannosch_ | he made a list detailing which framework used which package | 17:18 |
| j-w | can we put this topic on hold for a sec? | 17:18 |
| hannosch_ | sure | 17:18 |
| ccomb | ah ok, I've seen it | 17:18 |
| j-w | and finish the two action point from the summary first | 17:18 |
| hannosch_ | +1 | 17:18 |
| j-w | first is me bugging janjaap | 17:19 |
| j-w | which I did | 17:19 |
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| j-w | he's setting up a lot of buildslaves here: | 17:19 |
| j-w | http://dev.thehealthagency.com/buildbot/waterfall | 17:19 |
| hannosch_ | so we have Windows builds for the ZTK now? | 17:19 |
| j-w | there's no 64-but windows yet | 17:19 |
| hannosch_ | right. that depends on the Windows work we do in the zope-dev discussions | 17:20 |
| agroszer | hey, once I get to the AMI from sidnei, there could be a win64bit slave | 17:20 |
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| j-w | but has been in contact with tres and you coordinating the windows-buildslave work if I understand correctly, right? | 17:20 |
| hannosch_ | j-w: does the ZTK windows slave sent messages to zope-tests? | 17:20 |
| j-w | hannosch_: it should... | 17:20 |
| j-w | that's what I understand | 17:20 |
| do3cc | But the script cant parse the buildbot mails yet | 17:21 |
| j-w | but I'm not so sure now... | 17:21 |
| do3cc | so its not part of the daily status mail | 17:21 |
| ccomb | you just have to format the mail sent | 17:21 |
| hannosch_ | I don't see a report in there today | 17:21 |
| do3cc | ccomb: One would need to format the status names in the subject | 17:21 |
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| j-w | ccomb, hannosch_ Ok, I'll ask janjaap to see about the emal formatting | 17:22 |
| ccomb | do3cc: I've done it here http://buildbot.afpy.org/ztk1.0dev/master.cfg | 17:22 |
| ccomb | (don"t look at it in the browser) | 17:22 |
| do3cc | too late | 17:22 |
| do3cc | nice | 17:22 |
| hannosch_ | j-w: ok. so we note some progress, but we don't get mails yet | 17:23 |
| j-w | yes | 17:23 |
| hannosch_ | we also mentioned 64bit Linux? | 17:23 |
| j-w | there're 64-linux slaves | 17:23 |
| do3cc | j-w: do you use the recipe for buildbot configuration, or python code? | 17:23 |
| j-w | do3cc: he uses a buildout config for all the settingup | 17:23 |
| j-w | is that what you mean? | 17:23 |
| do3cc | yes | 17:24 |
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| j-w | *doorbell* | 17:24 |
| ccomb | yotaff can provide me with 64bit linux slaves, but he's overwhelmed | 17:24 |
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| hannosch__ | ok, so who follows up on 64bit Linux slaves? ccomb or j-w? | 17:25 |
| j-w | *back* | 17:25 |
| ccomb | we should both try to get some | 17:25 |
| j-w | let me at least bug janjaap again and try to get all this work coordinated | 17:25 |
| j-w | it seems some of the work is doubled now | 17:25 |
| hannosch__ | ok. I call this success once the daily report includes them (like from today https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2010-May/040571.html) | 17:25 |
| do3cc | I will try to extend the buildout recipe to allow customization of mail subjects like ccomb does | 17:26 |
| j-w | hannosch__: ok, noted | 17:26 |
| do3cc | then we should have all buildbot status in the zope tests list | 17:26 |
| ccomb | I'm not using any recipe, it's more flexible and quite easy | 17:26 |
| hannosch__ | ok. next point "Make sure we have a buildbot testing the ZTK releases (and not SVN) [ccomb] | 17:26 |
| do3cc | ccomb: but j-w and probably others | 17:27 |
| ccomb | I have one, just disabled | 17:27 |
| hannosch__ | so no auto-checkout = * | 17:27 |
| ccomb | in 32bit | 17:27 |
| j-w | ok | 17:27 |
| ccomb | I just have to wake it up | 17:27 |
| hannosch__ | ok, can you do that? | 17:27 |
| ccomb | I can do this tonight | 17:27 |
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| hannosch__ | ok, great. point closed :) | 17:27 |
| j-w | hannosch__: well, if we see the reports coming in, right? | 17:28 |
| hannosch__ | yes. closed for today. we have a next action and someone responsible | 17:28 |
| j-w | ok | 17:28 |
| CIA-46 | satchit satchit-sharedconfig-recipe * r112452 zc.recipe.deployment/ (setup.py README.txt): updated changelog and version. | 17:30 |
| CIA-46 | satchit satchit-sharedconfig-recipe * r112453 zc.recipe.deployment/src/zc/recipe/deployment/README.txt: fix typo. | 17:30 |
| CIA-46 | satchit * r112454 zc.recipe.deployment/ (4 files in 2 dirs): New recipe to update configuration files that may be shared by multiple applications. | 17:30 |
| j-w | ok, back to "list made by tres" | 17:30 |
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| hannosch__ | can we put that onto the agenda for next time and everyone of us looks over the list and the ztk.cfg | 17:31 |
| hannosch__ | and makes a proposal for what should be in ztk.cfg and what in deprecating.cfg? | 17:31 |
| j-w | +1 | 17:31 |
| ccomb | ok | 17:31 |
| j-w | just to be sure: | 17:31 |
| j-w | Tres has sent a PDF files with a matrix of whatp ackages are in use by what framework | 17:32 |
| j-w | we review that from the perspective of "our own" framework | 17:32 |
| j-w | and then we need to come up with a common set | 17:32 |
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| j-w | right? | 17:33 |
| hannosch__ | yes | 17:33 |
| hannosch__ | I think zopeapp.cfg can stay as it is for now. I'm interested in getting rid of the "under-review" and "unresolved-dependencies" sections in ztk.cfg | 17:33 |
| hannosch__ | and potentially moving even more things from ztk.cfg to deprecating.cfg | 17:34 |
| j-w | ok | 17:35 |
| j-w | this leaves us with the "decide on process..." point from the "open points" in the summary | 17:36 |
| j-w | I'm not sure I can say anything about that yet | 17:36 |
| hannosch__ | mmh, I'd leave that for much later | 17:36 |
| j-w | ok | 17:36 |
| hannosch__ | let's first try to get a 1.0 out, then talk about 1.1 | 17:37 |
| j-w | agreed | 17:37 |
| ccomb | I'm doing some tests in a branch about this, I'm trying to define an automated process | 17:37 |
| ccomb | I'll tell when it's begginning to work | 17:37 |
| j-w | have we been discussing what minimally is needed to get to a 1.0? | 17:37 |
| hannosch__ | yes. we need to define concrete tasks on how to get there | 17:38 |
| ccomb | more or less yes | 17:38 |
| ccomb | the most important is the buildbot | 17:38 |
| ccomb | the other tasks are just adding or removing lines in cfg files | 17:38 |
| ccomb | and defining a clear process | 17:39 |
| j-w | ok, so all the ztk tests should pass on a all the platforms we've talked about | 17:39 |
| ccomb | yes | 17:39 |
| hannosch__ | +1 | 17:39 |
| j-w | that's a concrete point | 17:39 |
| j-w | the adding/removing lines a bit less concrete to me | 17:39 |
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| j-w | I mean, when are we satisfied enough with the *cfg files to call it 1.0? | 17:40 |
| ccomb | another question, what should the ZTK look like, on a concrete point of view? | 17:40 |
| j-w | can we say something about that? | 17:40 |
| ccomb | what *IS* the ztk? | 17:40 |
| j-w | that's defined in "release outcome" topic in the summary | 17:41 |
| j-w | i find that really concrete | 17:41 |
| hannosch__ | I'd say we need one initial pass on looking at the included packages and splitting them into ztk / zopeapp / deprecating. once that is done, we have a stable set | 17:41 |
| j-w | ok | 17:41 |
| ccomb | so what is the the added value for ZTK users? | 17:41 |
| ccomb | knowing what they should use? | 17:41 |
| ccomb | knowing what they shouldn't because it's deprecated? | 17:42 |
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| hannosch__ | shared maintenance of the packages, being able to use Grok packages in Zope2 are some | 17:42 |
| j-w | and they can expect a level of coherency | 17:42 |
| ccomb | and how will people actually use the ztk? | 17:42 |
| ccomb | depend of a cfg file in their buildout? | 17:42 |
| j-w | grok uses it as the basic list of versions | 17:43 |
| j-w | right | 17:43 |
| hannosch__ | I don't expect anyone to use the ZTK, except the three frameworks | 17:43 |
| j-w | ccomb: actually, the groktoolkit uses the ztk | 17:43 |
| j-w | as the gtk defines a bit extra specific to grok | 17:43 |
| j-w | and then grok uses the gtk in turn | 17:43 |
| ccomb | the point is zope3 has moved from framework-centric to application-centric | 17:43 |
| j-w | hannosch__: agreed | 17:43 |
| hannosch__ | same for Zope2, which is ZTK versions + some extra ones | 17:43 |
| ccomb | so end applications are more important to me than frameworks | 17:44 |
| hannosch__ | well, the "end applications" people aren't really here. I have no idea what they would want | 17:44 |
| hannosch__ | or what value the ZTK would have for them | 17:44 |
| j-w | ccomb: is zope3 an end-application in that sense? | 17:44 |
| j-w | I look at grok as a framework itself, built on a lower-level framework - the ztk | 17:45 |
| ccomb | with zopeproject you would build an application that depends on zope libraries, not an application built on top of zope | 17:45 |
| j-w | and as such end-application-developers should not have to worry too much about the ztk itself | 17:45 |
| j-w | ccomb: ah, ok, if you put it like that, yes I agree | 17:46 |
| j-w | ccomb: that's the same for grok | 17:46 |
| ccomb | we should take care not to go back to a monolithic framework :) | 17:46 |
| ccomb | if people are forced to use pinned versions, there is no added value of having separate libraries | 17:47 |
| hannosch__ | the ZTK isn't really a framework. it's a collection of libraries or a collection of frameworks | 17:47 |
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| hannosch__ | there's a publishing framework, a security framework, ... not even each of us uses all of them | 17:47 |
| j-w | ok I digress - not sure what question/problem we're addressing here | 17:48 |
| * hannosch__ neither :) | 17:48 | |
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| j-w | ok, another practical point then: | 17:48 |
| ccomb | (I was just thinking ou loud) | 17:48 |
| j-w | does anyone of us have access to http://download.zope.org/ztk/release/ for uploading the releases? | 17:48 |
| hannosch__ | I have | 17:49 |
| ccomb | I don't | 17:49 |
| j-w | ok | 17:49 |
| j-w | at least one has | 17:49 |
| hannosch__ | I can take care of the first round | 17:49 |
| ccomb | ok | 17:49 |
| j-w | ok | 17:49 |
| hannosch__ | once we review the packages, I'd vote for putting up a 1.0a1 there right away | 17:50 |
| j-w | +1 | 17:50 |
| hannosch__ | so we have something concrete to talk about | 17:50 |
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| hannosch__ | one question on that: are you fine with the current version list in the ZTK or do you need older versions of something? | 17:51 |
| hannosch__ | like zope.testing is too new for you or so? | 17:51 |
| j-w | hannosch__: the grok-1.1 branch uses an older revision of the ztk | 17:52 |
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| j-w | I'm not sure if it would work with the current ztk state | 17:52 |
| j-w | but this might not even be a problem | 17:52 |
| hannosch__ | ccomb: what about BlueBream? you use something older as well? | 17:52 |
| j-w | we can release grok 1.1 against that older, working-for-us revision | 17:52 |
| hannosch__ | right. but I got the impression both Grok and BB used something older | 17:53 |
| ccomb | There is another list for bluebream, but it's quite flexible | 17:53 |
| j-w | grok-1.2 (on which is being worked on) point to the most recent ztk state | 17:53 |
| ccomb | We can probably adapt it | 17:53 |
| hannosch__ | right. what do you prefer, have ZTK 1.0 be used by Grok 1.1 and BB 1.0? | 17:54 |
| hannosch__ | or let it be something for Grok 1.2 and BB 1.1? | 17:54 |
| j-w | i would be fine with grok-1.2 working against ztk-1.0 | 17:54 |
| ccomb | we have yet to check but it's probably ok for bb 1.0 | 17:54 |
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| ccomb | if ztk is faster than bb :) | 17:55 |
| ccomb | for the release | 17:55 |
| j-w | ok, so we do not need "older" version in the ztk then if understand correctly? | 17:55 |
| hannosch__ | yes. we can make a 1.0 branch and put older versions in there | 17:55 |
| ccomb | we should check all this more carefully for the next meeting | 17:55 |
| hannosch__ | the two of you need to agree what exactly that is | 17:55 |
| hannosch__ | Zope2 is hopeless there. 2.12 is long out and 2.13 is a long time off | 17:56 |
| j-w | hannosch__: but we would branch off from the current ztk state, right? | 17:56 |
| hannosch__ | we can do whatever serves us best :) | 17:57 |
| j-w | I do not see the need to have a 1.0 branch and lower versions of packages in there at this point | 17:57 |
| j-w | :-) | 17:57 |
| hannosch__ | ok | 17:57 |
| j-w | ok, good | 17:57 |
| hannosch__ | just asking | 17:57 |
| j-w | sure, I understand :) | 17:57 |
| hannosch__ | shall we close for today? | 17:57 |
| j-w | fine with me, I think we covered what we need to cover today | 17:57 |
| CIA-46 | satchit * r112455 /zc.recipe.deployment/tags/0.8.0: tagging. | 17:58 |
| CIA-46 | menesis * r112456 van.pydeb/van/pydeb/py_to_src.txt: Add some source packages that have "python-" in their name. | 17:58 |
| j-w | thank you ccomb and hannosch__ | 17:58 |
| hannosch__ | ok. next meeting next week, same time and day? | 17:58 |
| * j-w looks at calendar | 17:58 | |
| hannosch__ | Monday is Whit Monday and often a holiday | 17:58 |
| j-w | it is by us indeed | 17:58 |
| regebro | Whit has his *own* monday. | 17:59 |
| * regebro is jealous | 17:59 | |
| ccomb | ok for me (tuesday) | 17:59 |
| hannosch__ | regebro: yeah, put yourself into that saints database ;) | 17:59 |
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| j-w | ok, next week is ok with me | 17:59 |
| hannosch__ | cool! | 17:59 |
| hannosch__ | I'll look over our initial mails and see if there's been more todos or open-points in there | 18:00 |
| hannosch__ | I'd add them to the meeting notes in SVN for now, if that's ok with you | 18:00 |
| j-w | ok | 18:00 |
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| j-w | i'll put my notes of today in there as well | 18:01 |
| hannosch__ | great | 18:01 |
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| * Charlie_X pings the bell | 18:02 | |
| regebro | Yeah shoosh ZTK people, we have booked this meeting room. :) | 18:02 |
| j-w | we're only two minutes late! | 18:02 |
| j-w | but go right ahead :-) | 18:03 |
| * regebro is Swedish and punctual, and has been waiting outside for five minutes. :) | 18:03 | |
| j-w | we emptied the coffee can for you | 18:03 |
| Charlie_X | Still waiting for Jedi-Master Theuni | 18:03 |
| j-w | and the cookies are gone too | 18:03 |
| j-w | so the meeting room is al your now | 18:04 |
| regebro | Damn. No cookies. Well, it's OK, I'm too fat already. | 18:04 |
| * Charlie_X is English and punctual only ever by accident. | 18:04 | |
| do3cc | don't touch the beamer, the lamp is still hot | 18:04 |
| regebro | k, thank | 18:04 |
| regebro | s | 18:04 |
| Charlie_X | Anyone in zope3-dev able to poke Theuni | 18:04 |
| Charlie_X | Okay five minutes past. Let's start anway. | 18:05 |
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| Theuni1 | tada | 18:05 |
| Charlie_X | agroszer: , sidnei here? | 18:05 |
| Charlie_X | You've got to stop doing that... | 18:06 |
| * agroszer present | 18:06 | |
| Theuni1 | ? | 18:06 |
| Charlie_X | Turning up just after I start in your absence. | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | indeed :) | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | for some reason my 10 minutes heads-up alarm is broken | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | agroszer: how go the EC2 builds? | 18:07 |
| * agroszer raise NotYet | 18:07 | |
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| agroszer | did not get there yet | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | Okay. Possible time frame for when you can? | 18:08 |
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| Charlie_X | And have you heard anything back from MS about licences yet? | 18:08 |
| agroszer | this weekend | 18:08 |
| agroszer | dead silence about licenses | 18:08 |
| Charlie_X | Tres not here. We need to escalate this via the foundation. Theuni can you get this to the board's attention? | 18:09 |
| agroszer | btw, ZTK people are also aeger for a win64 buildbot | 18:09 |
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| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: yup | 18:10 |
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| agroszer | funding? | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | the next board meeting is sometime in june, so that can take a while | 18:10 |
| Charlie_X | Great. I think we should ask them about some kind of Azure set up at the same time. They should want to push it. Get them a nice badge somewhere. | 18:10 |
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| regebro | The board did mention something about windows licenses last meeting, I thought it was fixed in fact. Could have been something different... | 18:10 |
| Charlie_X | agroszer: Theuni indicated that the Foundation is prepared to pay. | 18:11 |
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| agroszer | ohh missed that | 18:11 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: well, it seems we're going nowhere fast through the current channels. These things take time. | 18:11 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: we have the general agreement that the foundation wants to fund the amazon machiens so that they can be accessed by different people, but we'd like someone to have the lead on that and give a quick summary on what exactly we need to buy (what things and what they cost, per month or so) and how that will be sustained and not left alone over, lets say a year. | 18:12 |
| agroszer | I see | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | i'd be happy to write that up with you together, if you start drafting it. | 18:13 |
| agroszer | I got some idea how that could work, need to write that up too | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | that would be good. i'll be happy to help polish it, but i need somewhere to start from. :) | 18:13 |
| agroszer | k | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: yeah. speed isn't my first goal. :) | 18:13 |
| Charlie_X | Okay that's a todo for you both for next week. | 18:14 |
| * Theuni1 waits for agroszer ;) | 18:14 | |
| agroszer | easy, next this weekend is pfingsten | 18:14 |
| agroszer | ;-) | 18:14 |
| * Charlie_X programs Theuni1's alarm to remind agroszer to remind him to... | 18:14 | |
| Theuni1 | eeek! | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | ok, so, next topic? | 18:14 |
| Charlie_X | Yep | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | bug tracking | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | both in general and the monitoring thing | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | the zope 3 bug tracker is almost emptied out by now | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | I think i'll clean it out a bit more tomorrow | 18:15 |
| Charlie_X | check-bugs comes up with 25 languishing. | 18:15 |
| * hannosch__ applauds | 18:15 | |
| Charlie_X | Tres' tagged bugs look pretty complete as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/zopetoolkit/+bugs?field.tag=bugday20100424 | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch__: meh. it's just moving things around instead of fixing anyway ;) | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | there's two relevant pages to look at currently if you're human: | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zopetoolkit | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zopeapp | 18:16 |
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| Theuni1 | the zopeapp one is suspiciously clean | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | the ztk one is a good bunch of work that i guess will slowly go away during bug days | 18:17 |
| Charlie_X | Most of those have patches. Maybe we can clean them up quickly by testing the patches tomorrow? | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | however, i'd like to start having more people help triaging in between teh bug days | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: yeah, that's a typical task for a bug day | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | I'd like to know whether people have something stopping them from triaing new bugs. | 18:18 |
| hannosch__ | I'm concentrating on cleaning up the Zope2 bugs, still a couple hundred more to go. then I can help with ZTK bugs | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch__: cool. i'd like to have something steady slowly going on after that, too, though. | 18:18 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: if we have montly bug days we could probably have a day set aside for triaging in advance. | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: I was thinking that we could do small batches in between | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | so that people who register bugs don't have to wait for a month until we acknowledge them | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | e.g. I think I can do 2-3 bugs every day | 18:19 |
| Charlie_X | I like the idea of fixed dates. Makes it less easy to postpone things. But if you're happy to get stuff done. | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | and if more people watch out for new incoming bugs, then that should be manageable | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: the low latency approach is why i asked for the "languishing" checker | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: what bugs does it look at so that it says "25" now? | 18:20 |
| agroszer | is there any mail notification sent out about new bugs? | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: there is | 18:20 |
| agroszer | where/how? | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | but it's risky due to the indirections on groups and personal mail, so having a nightly check for the languishing bugs is good ;) | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: through the magic of launchpad ... ;) | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | i guess it depends on the team of the specific project | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | which in many cases probably is the ztk steering group team on LP | 18:21 |
| hannosch__ | I get tons of mails :) too many in fact | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch__: same here :) | 18:22 |
| Charlie_X | http://paste.lisp.org/display/99402 | 18:22 |
| * agroszer goes to see how to enroll | 18:22 | |
| hannosch__ | would any kind of summary mail to zope-dev help? or is that just too much spam? | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: ah! zope3. can you check for project groups as well? or just projects? | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch__: my goal is to put that into the nightly check script | 18:23 |
| Charlie_X | Tres but a bundle of command line options in there. -g for project group | 18:23 |
| hannosch__ | Open critical issues: 5, New bugs: 3, ... with titles and links? | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | i think the summary mails should stay limited to a single one every night. if we're good boys it will be "nothing bad" every day | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch__: thats what i'd recommend to sent to the test aggregation list | 18:23 |
| hannosch__ | ok. | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | and then make one for zope2, one for the ztk project group and one for the zopeapp project group | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | satchit 0.8.0 * r112457 zc.recipe.deployment/setup.py: vb. | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | jfroche * r112458 zope.schema/src/zope/schema/fieldproperty.py: remove two leading underscores in field: it leads to confusion in getattr | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112459 ZODB/src/ZODB/tests/testblob.py: removed trailing whitespace. | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112460 ZODB/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | Deprecated ZODB.interfaces.StorageStopIteration. Storage | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | iterator implementations should just raise StopIteration, which | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | means they can now be implemented as generators. | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | something along those lines | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112461 ZODB/src/ZODB/utils.py: | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | Removed a print statement. Getting class meta data from a pickle | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | can fail if the pickle has been transformed and a calling storage | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | doesn't account for that. Printing is certainly not the right way to | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | deal with the problem. | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | Also cleaned up some whitespace. | 18:24 |
| * Theuni1 pokes CIA-46's eyes out | 18:24 | |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112462 ZODB/src/ (14 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | Added support for wrapper storages that transform pickle data. (I | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | thought this support already existed, but found out I was wrong when I | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | tried to make it work. :/) Applications for this include compression | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | and encryption. An example wrapper storage implementation, | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | ZODB.tests.hexstorage, was included for testing. | 18:24 |
| CIA-46 | It is important that storage implementations not assume that | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | GAAAH! | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | CIA-46: shut up! :) | 18:24 |
| hannosch__ | ignore for the win | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | true | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | *click | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: does the checker send out mail already? | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | or does it only produce the report? | 18:25 |
| Charlie_X | I don't think it's installed anywhere to send out a message. | 18:25 |
| Charlie_X | Very remiss of me not to follow up on this. | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: i'd be happy to install it over here in the case that it is prepared to send out messages | 18:26 |
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| * Charlie_X gets his calves slapped by a ruler. | 18:26 | |
| Theuni1 | like the repositorypolicy check thing | 18:26 |
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| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: no worries. we're all busy and things tend to get lost here and there. my expectation isn't that we're perfect :) | 18:26 |
| Charlie_X | Will add mailing functionality to it. | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: check my code, i think it has a relatively simple wrapper to do that. maybe extracting that would be helpful | 18:27 |
| Charlie_X | Yeah, was going to do just that. | 18:27 |
| agroszer | damn is it the ZTK steering group on LP a closed group or what? | 18:28 |
| agroszer | there's no join link | 18:28 |
| Charlie_X | Congratulations to both agroszer and hannosch_ for their releases. | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: LP has a different notion for developer teams and "manager" teams | 18:29 |
| agroszer | It's not a final yet ;-) | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: the steering group team is intended for administraive stuff only, i think i need to clean this up | 18:29 |
| agroszer | gaah | 18:29 |
| agroszer | just tell me what to join to get notified about new bugs | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: sec | 18:30 |
| Theuni1 | i had a pending request to the LP admins to merge some teams together | 18:30 |
| Charlie_X | Bug #143045 in zope.mkzeoinstance: "bin\mkzeoinstance.py creates unix instance on windows" | 18:30 |
| Charlie_X | New 2004-06-28 None | 18:30 |
| Charlie_X | https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope.mkzeoinstance/+bug/143045 | 18:30 |
| mup | Bug #143045: bin\mkzeoinstance.py creates unix instance on windows <bug> <zope> <zope.mkzeoinstance:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/143045> | 18:30 |
| mup | Bug #143045: bin\mkzeoinstance.py creates unix instance on windows <bug> <zope> <zope.mkzeoinstance:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/143045> | 18:30 |
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| agroszer | what about ~zope-admin ? | 18:31 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: no. try joining zope-dev | 18:31 |
| Charlie_X | 240 bugs languishing if run against "zope" | 18:31 |
| agroszer | tada, I'm already a member of zope-dev | 18:31 |
| Theuni1 | i will make the zop3-dev merge into zope-dev and zope-admin merge into ztk-steering-group | 18:31 |
| Charlie_X | Sounds good. | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | after that i'll make the zope-dev group the uhh . either driver or maintainer | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | i think the driver | 18:32 |
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| Theuni1 | yeah | 18:32 |
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| Charlie_X | Okay, what's the plan for tomorrow? Presumably we need to tag some bugs for squashing starting? Start with those we didn't finish last time? | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | ok guys, that's it for today | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: that's what i'm going to do | 18:33 |
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| Theuni1 | i have one that i started working on last week, then i'll do some triage with the zope3 bugs and then work down the list of stuff with patches | 18:33 |
| Charlie_X | Okay. I should be around most of the day. There's a bit I want to do on the CMF and then I can go through the list. | 18:33 |
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| Theuni1 | cool | 18:33 |
| Charlie_X | http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/BugDay20100519 should be enough of us to get some work done. | 18:34 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni, you summarising? | 18:34 |
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| Charlie_X | BTW. I can definitely not convene next week. With luck I'll be somewhere in West Friesland on my bike. | 18:35 |
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| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: i'll be there. | 18:35 |
| Theuni1 | i'll do the summarising, but that has to wait until tomorrow morning | 18:35 |
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| CIA-46 | jim * r112463 ZODB/src/CHANGES.txt: (log message trimmed) | 19:21 |
| CIA-46 | - Added support for wrapper storages that transform pickle data. | 19:21 |
| CIA-46 | Applications for this include compression and encryption. An | 19:21 |
| CIA-46 | example wrapper storage implementation, ZODB.tests.hexstorage, was | 19:21 |
| CIA-46 | included for testing. | 19:21 |
| CIA-46 | It is important that storage implementations not assume that | 19:21 |
| CIA-46 | storages contain pickles. Renamed IStorageDB to IStorageWrapper and | 19:21 |
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| donri | How do you query ZODB? List comprehensions? | 19:37 |
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| do3cc | donri, maybe you want to use some form of catalog | 19:42 |
| donri | I'm wondering if there's an efficient way to grab all objects matching some criteria, other than the id in your root object ... | 19:43 |
| donri | Haven't actually used ZODB though, curiously looking at it. | 19:44 |
| donri | But SELECT is perhaps the most common SQL statement, surely there must be some way to do something similar with ZODB? | 19:44 |
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| J1m | donri, you use Python to query zodb | 19:51 |
| J1m | If you want indexes, you use BTrees. | 19:51 |
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| donri | [post for post in root['posts'] if 'hi' in post.title] etc? | 19:52 |
| donri | That'd be awesome, but does that perform well? | 19:52 |
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| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112464 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/releaseteam/ (meeting-20100518.rst index.rst): add ztk-release-team meeting minutes | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | tseaver * r112465 zopetoolkit/ztk.cfg: | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | Update to zope.testbrowser 3.9.0. | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | Update the dependencies (mechanize -> 0.2.1, no more ClientForm). | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112466 ZODB/src/ZODB/tests/testConnection.py: | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | Add future import so tests using with will work w Python 2.5. | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | (Also use standard doctest.) | 20:12 |
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| CIA-46 | tseaver * r112467 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/releaseteam/index.rst: Typo. | 20:47 |
| CIA-46 | satchit * r112468 /zc.recipe.deployment/branches/satchit-sharedconfig-recipe: merged to trunk in revision# 112454. | 20:47 |
| mup | Bug #112454: Difficuty installing VMware Server <Ubuntu:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/112454> | 20:47 |
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| CIA-46 | charlie_x * r112469 zope.bugchecker/src/zope/bugchecker/bugchecker.py: Added support for sending the report via e-mail | 21:18 |
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| CIA-46 | janwijbrand 1.1 * r112470 grok/ (doc/upgrade.txt CHANGES.txt): update changelog, add a upgrade section | 21:47 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand 1.1 * r112471 grok/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Preparing release 1.1 | 21:47 |
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| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112472 /grok/tags/1.1: Tagging 1.1 | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand 1.1 * r112473 grok/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Back to development: 1.2 | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand 1.1 * r112474 grok/buildout.cfg: update bundlemaker | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112475 /groktoolkit/ (trunk/grok.cfg branches/1.1/grok.cfg): update to grok-1.1 | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112476 /groktoolkit/tags/ (1.1 1.1/grok.cfg): tag groktoolkit-1.1 | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | faassen 1.1 * r112477 grok/doc/upgrade.txt: Small rst tweaks. | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand 1.1 * r112478 grok/buildout.cfg: we can now point to the tagged groktoolkit file | 22:02 |
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| CIA-46 | faassen 1.1 * r112479 grok/doc/tutorial.rst: Update python version stuff. | 22:22 |
| CIA-46 | faassen * r112480 grok/doc/tutorial.rst: 2.6 is now the version we work with. | 22:22 |
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| planetzopebot | grok 1.1 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/grok/1.1 | 22:34 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand * r112481 /grok/website/build-html/build.sh: build docs for 1.1 release | 22:34 |
| CIA-46 | janwijbrand 1.1 * r112482 grok/doc/ (upgrade.txt tutorial.rst): evily updating the docs on the tag... | 22:34 |
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| CIA-46 | faassen * r112483 grok/README.txt: Update this for the modern age. | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112484 ZODB/src/ (32 files in 7 dirs): Use doctest rather than zope.testing.doctest. | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112485 ZODB/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | Use doctest rather than zope.testing.doctest. | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | This required using manuel to get the footnote | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | feature. Unfortunately, manuel imports zope.testing.doctest. :) | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | Hpefully, this will be fixed soon. | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | Updated the testhistoricalconnections.py tearDown to clear conflict | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | resolution class cache. The cache was causing tests to fail when tests | 22:47 |
| CIA-46 | jim * r112486 ZODB/src/ZODB/tests/testblob.py: Use doctest rather than zope.testing.doctest. | 22:47 |
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| CIA-46 | jim * r112487 /ZODB/branches/jim-transform-wrapping: retire | 23:02 |
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| CIA-46 | faassen * r112488 grok/grokwiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 23:18 |
| CIA-46 | grokwiki was broken with newer version of grokui.admin as it depended | 23:18 |
| CIA-46 | on a view 'messages' defined in grokui.admin that was now gone. grokwiki | 23:18 |
| CIA-46 | should never have depended on grokui.admin's views anyway, I think.. | 23:18 |
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| planetzopebot | Grok 1.1 released! (gmane.comp.web.zope.announce) http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.announce/1480 | 23:34 |
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