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| brguedes | hello everybody, I've a problem, sometimes the ZOPE, retry requests (I don't know why), I've a python script in ZODB which uses the "commands" - Python's library. I use this library to execute a ssh command and wait for the response, which could take some seconds (20s,30s) | 13:34 |
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| brguedes | someone can help me | 13:34 |
| brguedes | if there is some retry mechanism after awhile | 13:35 |
| betabug | brguedes: you probably have conflict errors | 13:38 |
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| betabug | your script needs to check if the command is already running | 13:38 |
| betabug | conflict errors are normal and not a sign of a problem | 13:38 |
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| brguedes | betabug: but it is possible to launch more than one ssh session | 13:39 |
| brguedes | right? | 13:39 |
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| brguedes | or python doesn't support more than one command | 13:40 |
| brguedes | :S | 13:40 |
| Theuni1 | that depends on your ssh library i guess | 13:40 |
| brguedes | Theuni1: it is related to ssh configuration? I use ssh 4.3p2-9etch3 | 13:46 |
| Theuni1 | brguedes: you need to specify your problem more clearly | 13:47 |
| Theuni1 | the retry mechanism itself isn't a problem. there seems to be some problem that gets triggered when the retry happens, but you didn't say what that is. | 13:47 |
| brguedes | Theuni1: basically I have a python script that inserts something on mysql DB, but before the insertion I do an ssh (using commands library) command to get other info | 13:49 |
| brguedes | this script is called based on GET HTTp | 13:50 |
| brguedes | sometimes it retries the whole request | 13:50 |
| CIA-94 | janwijbrand * r112788 /grokui.base/branches/0.2: create maintenance branch for 0.2.x | 13:50 |
| brguedes | in the last time I start a script | 13:51 |
| brguedes | (doing a GET) | 13:51 |
| Theuni1 | Hmm. I have a hard time following you. :/ | 13:52 |
| brguedes | and it retries again before receive the ssh response (in the first request) | 13:53 |
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| brguedes | Theuni1: do you understand? | 13:54 |
| Theuni1 | nope :/ | 13:54 |
| brguedes | Imagine a python script test.py in ZODB, which it does an ssh command | 13:55 |
| brguedes | if the ssh takes 20s or 30s | 13:55 |
| brguedes | I don't know why ZOPE retries the request | 13:56 |
| brguedes | after 5 or 10 s | 13:56 |
| brguedes | Theuni1: and now? lol :p | 13:57 |
| Theuni1 | it doesn't retry based on time | 13:57 |
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| Theuni1 | zope only retries when the ZODB raises a conflict error | 13:57 |
| Theuni1 | Do you run any frontend-proxies? | 13:57 |
| Theuni1 | Like nginx, varnish, apache or others? | 13:58 |
| brguedes | apache | 13:58 |
| Theuni1 | You might want to check whether the request happens there as well or whether its internal to zope | 13:58 |
| brguedes | I've some read conflicts | 13:59 |
| brguedes | but ZOPE just retries on write conflicts right | 13:59 |
| brguedes | ? | 13:59 |
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| brguedes | Theuni1: If the Apache is the problem, this situation will occur all the time, and this just occurs let say 5 times per day moreless | 14:00 |
| Theuni1 | read conflicts? | 14:01 |
| Theuni1 | those shouldn't happen at all | 14:01 |
| CIA-94 | janwijbrand 0.2 * r112789 grokui.base/ (6 files in 4 dirs): try to fix the dependencies for the 0.2.x maintenance branch | 14:05 |
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| CIA-94 | janwijbrand * r112790 /grokui.admin/branches/0.6: create maintenance branch for fix dependencies | 14:17 |
| CIA-94 | janwijbrand 0.6 * r112791 grokui.admin/ (11 files in 5 dirs): fix dependencies that got remove too early | 14:17 |
| CIA-94 | gotcha * r112792 lovely.buildouthttp/src/lovely/buildouthttp/buildouthttp.py: keep 2.4 compatibility | 14:17 |
| CIA-94 | gotcha * r112793 lovely.buildouthttp/src: tune ignores | 14:17 |
| brguedes | Theuni1: yah I have this: INFO ZPublisher.Conflict ConflictError at /VirtualHostBase/http/xperience.net.zon.pt:80/VirtualHostRoot/qoe/test/do: database conflict error (oid 0xa168, class BTrees.OOBTree.OOBTree, serial this txn started with 0x03 | 14:23 |
| brguedes | 8672973a6e76dd 2010-05-28 09:27:13.694883, serial currently committed 0x0386729aff785fcc 2010-05-28 09:30:59.875831) (265 conflicts (0 unresolved) since startup at Wed May 19 16:11:02 2010) | 14:23 |
| brguedes | Theuni1: but the time doesn't match with retries | 14:24 |
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| bigkevmcd | brguedes: doing an ssh is really bad, there are a limited number of threads in Zope, so it will tie up the Zope threads | 14:35 |
| brguedes | bigkevmcd: I have 50 threads in zope | 14:36 |
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| bigkevmcd | brguedes: that's a naive answer | 14:40 |
| brguedes | bigkevmcd: why? those 50 threads never overloads the server | 14:42 |
| kosh | umm adding a bunch of threads to zope almost always slows it down while using more memory | 14:42 |
| betabug | also you probably don't have 50 database connections to go with your 50 threads anyway | 14:42 |
| betabug | so you're just fooling yourself with your "50 threads" | 14:42 |
| kosh | and if you did it would be crippling | 14:42 |
| bigkevmcd | and more opportunities for conflicts | 14:43 |
| kosh | yeah that also | 14:43 |
| kosh | when I do stuff like that I do it very differently | 14:43 |
| kosh | I spawn off a process and have it make a POST to a url on zope when it is done, then you can just have something check for that data | 14:44 |
| kosh | no issues with tieing up threads | 14:44 |
| CIA-94 | dobe * r112794 lovely.buildouthttp/ (CHANGES.txt src/lovely/buildouthttp/buildouthttp.py setup.py): version bump | 14:45 |
| kosh | and that kind of design works with any web app server I have run into without tieing up resources | 14:46 |
| kosh | since web browsers by default won't wait 30 seconds for a reply | 14:46 |
| kosh | so if you actually waited that long the person would have left already anyways | 14:46 |
| kosh | so you might as well return almost immediatlye with a command in the page to refresh the page or use ajax to grab a resource every so often until it is ready | 14:47 |
| kosh | betabug: what is your idea on that? | 14:47 |
| betabug | I have one app where I have long requests | 14:48 |
| betabug | they return a quick page to the user, then run in the background | 14:48 |
| betabug | (tying up a request on one zeo client, but there is a lock, so only one is ever running) | 14:48 |
| betabug | and the users browser polls ever xx seconds if it's done | 14:49 |
| kosh | yeah that kind of design makes sense | 14:49 |
| betabug | doing it outside zope would be cooler, but that's how I did it then and it works | 14:49 |
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| kosh | I had a script when I had to pull from a web cam every so often and I did it async like that | 14:50 |
| kosh | a script outside zope would update zope with the new data and zope would serve what it had before until it got a new one | 14:50 |
| kosh | it worked great and all the times the web cam did not work right it did not screw up the site | 14:51 |
| brguedes | kosh: your idea is good, but I cannot run in separate proccess, because I need this info | 14:52 |
| brguedes | to continue | 14:52 |
| kosh | you don't get it | 14:53 |
| kosh | you can't continue if it takes 20-30s | 14:53 |
| kosh | the browser will give up | 14:53 |
| kosh | fighting how the tech works is a losing propsition | 14:53 |
| kosh | which means you return a basic page and reload some part until you have the data you need | 14:53 |
| kosh | also the system is unscalable | 14:54 |
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| betabug | brguedes: if you've ever booked a flight online, you have seen how it's done | 14:57 |
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| CIA-94 | do3cc * r112795 five.pt/ (buildout.cfg versions.cfg): | 15:00 |
| CIA-94 | Updating buildout config | 15:00 |
| CIA-94 | The current configuration threw errors because some packages | 15:00 |
| CIA-94 | were not pinned. I pinned all packages to versions that work together | 15:00 |
| CIA-94 | and added z3c.checkversions that can be used to test, if versions | 15:00 |
| CIA-94 | need an upgrade. | 15:00 |
| kosh | there are just some things about how systems work, and no matter how much you might like your design it doesn't make it right if it works against how the systems are designed | 15:03 |
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| Theuni1 | amen | 15:07 |
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| kosh | have had some major arguements about that recently with some people | 15:09 |
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| kosh | they kept wanting a browser to do something a certain way and had a realy hard time accepting that it couldn't do that no matter what they did | 15:09 |
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| Theuni1 | that usually is combined with severe misunderstanding of the real design | 15:10 |
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| kosh | oh once I got them to explain what they really needed to accomplish we came up with something that was probably a 1/100th of the work to do and far better user experience | 15:11 |
| kosh | it is so hard to get people to say what they want to accomplish | 15:13 |
| do3cc | you are the compiler in such a case | 15:13 |
| kosh | what is really annoying is that marketing type people will say you are just being negative by trying to get them to explain instead of just doing it | 15:14 |
| CIA-94 | do3cc * r112796 five.pt/src/five/pt/ (pagetemplate.py zcml.txt): | 15:15 |
| CIA-94 | Adding utf-8 default encoding for PageTemplates | 15:15 |
| CIA-94 | Too many things in Zope like to return utf-8 encoded strings. | 15:15 |
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| tiazma | hello * | 16:26 |
| tiazma | I'm wondering if a relation exists between zodb-cache-size and zeo-client-cache-size, availabee in the zope conf. Any idea ? | 16:27 |
| tiazma | or any resource I should look at ? | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | I'm wondering if one of those is for the in-memory object cache and the other for the persistent disk cache? | 16:29 |
| mgedmin | have you tried searching for docs? | 16:29 |
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| agroszer | ping Theuni1 | 16:52 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: pong | 16:52 |
| agroszer | hey, I'll try to prepare that table today | 16:53 |
| Theuni1 | :) | 16:53 |
| Theuni1 | i'll review it during the weekend then | 16:53 |
| agroszer | foundation meeting is on 2nd, right? | 16:54 |
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| Theuni1 | jup | 17:00 |
| agroszer | ahh, plenty of time left then I thought it's monday or so... | 17:01 |
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| planetzopebot | Products.LDAPUserFolder 2.17 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Products.LDAPUserFolder/2.17 | 17:34 |
| planetzopebot | Products.LDAPMultiPlugins 1.11 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Products.LDAPMultiPlugins/1.11 | 17:34 |
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| planetzopebot | collective.ckeditor 3.2.1b (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.ckeditor/3.2.1b | 18:34 |
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