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| ToreadorVampire | Quick check then - in TALES the expression "path:nonexistant|" will never give me an error, because even though nonexistant doesn't exist, the engine with try the second part of the path, which is an empty string and will always evaluate to nothing? | 00:24 |
| ToreadorVampire | In fact "path:nonexistant|" is equivalent to "path:nonexistant|nothing" (assuming that the reference "nonexistant" doesn't exist) | 00:26 |
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| ai9371 | how do I set up zope | 06:01 |
| ai9371 | on xampp? | 06:01 |
| ai9371 | whats the difference between plone and zope? | 06:05 |
| shen-long | ai9371, you should most likely install plone | 06:17 |
| shen-long | zope is the application database behind plone (on which plone is built) | 06:17 |
| shen-long | plone is a content management system that heavily uses zope traversal, and the zope2 CMF / archtypes | 06:18 |
| shen-long | it's also the most well known open source zope application | 06:18 |
| shen-long | it's slow, and a memory hog, you'll also be tied to python 2.4 (perhaps 2.5 now a days) | 06:18 |
| shen-long | zope3/ztk/bluebream (insert other community name war tripe here) | 06:19 |
| shen-long | is the evolution of zope ideals and zodb as a component architecture | 06:20 |
| shen-long | grok/dolmen/bfg will help you bootstrap your development project quickly if you need to write something splendid in a small amount of time | 06:20 |
| shen-long | using zodb is like riding around in a bubble bath filled with hot naked chicks in comparison to the dune buggy full of poisonous snakes and scorpions of using mysql | 06:21 |
| shen-long | python hurts your eyes less than php, is faster, more powerful, and all around sexy | 06:22 |
| shen-long | hope this helps, I'm off the bed ;p | 06:22 |
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| planetzopebot | Expensive security check in constraintypes (RedTurtle Technology) http://blog.redturtle.it/redturtle-blog/expensive-security-check-in-constraintypes | 12:04 |
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| planetzopebot | Products.Doormat 0.1.1 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Products.Doormat/0.1.1 | 14:04 |
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| binbrain | any idea why when I use zopectl> start I get a pid=-1 but when I use zopectl> fg it works fine? | 14:41 |
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| betabug | binbrain: what do you mean with pid=-1 ?? | 14:56 |
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| binbrain | when I do a zopectl> status after I start I get the pid=-1 | 15:00 |
| betabug | and zope is not running? | 15:00 |
| binbrain | when I run using zopectl> fg though, I see that the windows service is started normally with a valid pid | 15:01 |
| binbrain | betabug: the same buildout works ok in Linux FYI | 15:01 |
| binbrain | correct | 15:01 |
| binbrain | I can't figure out how to debug, there are no log files generated | 15:01 |
| betabug | hmm, windows, buildout... sorry, I won't be of any help | 15:01 |
| binbrain | I'm looking into plone.recipe.zope2instance where the zopectl stuff is | 15:02 |
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| binbrain | its weird, because zopectl> debug works fine too | 15:02 |
| betabug | maybe it's related to running stuff in the foreground | 15:11 |
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| binbrain | fg works though, its a simple start that doesn't | 15:16 |
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| betabug | yes, I mean maybe there is a problem with running stuff as a service - as opposed to "running it in the foreground" | 15:23 |
| shywolf9982 | binbrain: I'm not sure how "daemonizing" (aka running as service) works in Windows, but I don't think it involves forking out, hence it's probably quite hard for zope to get the pid | 15:27 |
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| binbrain | shywolf9982: so the fact that the pid=-1 might not be the problem, however, something is broken, because the service doesn't start | 15:40 |
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| planetzopebot | Plomino 1.6.2 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Plomino/1.6.2 | 17:04 |
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| MatthewWilkes | I just found a 2643 line Script (Python) | 17:09 |
| betabug | outch | 17:09 |
| betabug | MatthewWilkes: don't worry, most of it is probably consisting of the same code copy&pasted with slight alterations :-p | 17:10 |
| d2m | heh | 17:10 |
| MatthewWilkes | it also appears to be recursive | 17:10 |
| MatthewWilkes | it's a 10 year old system with quite a lot of cruft in it, fuck knows what paths through this code are used | 17:11 |
| betabug | haha | 17:11 |
| bigkevmcd | whooo...it was probably that kitten dude who comes in here | 17:14 |
| betabug | har har! | 17:15 |
| betabug | bigkevmcd: not likely, he does it all in dtml | 17:15 |
| bigkevmcd | actually, 2643 lines of Python embedded in DTML | 17:15 |
| bigkevmcd | beat me to it ;-) | 17:15 |
| MatthewWilkes | kitten dude? | 17:15 |
| betabug | kittonian or something is his nick | 17:16 |
| bigkevmcd | regularly pastes huge DTML pages with huge amounts of (usually failing) logic | 17:17 |
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| betabug | and asks for help in the same style as the guys asking for change in the subway | 17:18 |
| betabug | either promises to learn real python real soon now or claims that he has to work hard and has only this 1 thing to finish, so spending a weekend to learn python is out of the question | 17:19 |
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| MatthewWilkes | ah | 17:20 |
| MatthewWilkes | yes | 17:20 |
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| MatthewWilkes | betabug: You should see the guy on the plone mailing list asking about basic TAL syntax and fucking it up massively | 17:20 |
| betabug | haha | 17:21 |
| betabug | I can imagine | 17:21 |
| MatthewWilkes | he keeps doing things like tal:define="values here/getAAPPInfo(aapp=1)".dictionaries() | 17:21 |
| MatthewWilkes | I love it when people see an example of how to do something and think that they can then just make things up and as long as it's close it'll work | 17:23 |
| betabug | yeah, "it will guess what I want to do" | 17:24 |
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| McGruber | what is the difference between buildout and easy_install when installing a .py package? | 18:03 |
| McGruber | could someone explain the difference to me and/or send a link to a reference on the topic? | 18:04 |
| MatthewWilkes | McGruber: Buildout is for making a reproducable sandbox based on a config file, easy_install is for one-off installation of python libraries into the normal python environment | 18:05 |
| betabug | or in a "virtual" python environment | 18:08 |
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| McGruber | MatthewWilkes: thank you very much sir... | 18:25 |
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| d2m | buildout.org gives | 19:18 |
| d2m | me routing errors | 19:18 |
| d2m | no way to run a 'python bootstrap.py' atm | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | worksforme | 19:24 |
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| seppo14 | good afternoon... | 19:52 |
| seppo14 | i'm having problems with latest 2.12.6, python 2.6.1, darwin, zodb 3.10b.. trying to save objects inside a folder gives me a "ValueError: A different object already has the same oid" | 19:53 |
| seppo14 | happens only on my local MacOS setup.. | 19:53 |
| seppo14 | not on my debian with the same code | 19:53 |
| seppo14 | any ideas on this? | 19:53 |
| seppo14 | full error message: http://pastebin.com/496AP7Wb | 19:54 |
| seppo14 | i'm trying to find out whether it's the product causing this or my local ZOPE setup... | 19:54 |
| kosh | sorry not a clue I have not run any of this stuff on osx | 19:59 |
| kosh | betabug: so how goes life? | 19:59 |
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| planetzopebot | slc.seminarportal 1.2.13 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/slc.seminarportal/1.2.13 | 21:04 |
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