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planetzopebotProducts.ContentWellPortlets 2.1 (PyPI recent updates)  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Products.ContentWellPortlets/2.102:04
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planetzopebot15th June, 2010 Weekly Zope Dev IRC Meeting (Weekly Zope Development Meeting)  http://www.ozzope.org/weekly-zope-dev-meeting/15th-june-2010-weekly-zope-dev-irc-meeting06:04
planetzopebot8th June, Weekly Zope Dev IRC Meeting (Weekly Zope Development Meeting)  http://www.ozzope.org/weekly-zope-dev-meeting/8th-june-weekly-zope-dev-irc-meeting06:04
planetzopebot1st June, Weekly Zope Dev IRC Meeting (Weekly Zope Development Meeting)  http://www.ozzope.org/weekly-zope-dev-meeting/1st-june-weekly-zope-dev-irc-meeting06:04
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CIA-94wosc * r113756 gocept.registration/ (CHANGES.txt src/gocept/registration/registrations.py): added missing import16:04
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CIA-94wosc * r113757 gocept.registration/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Preparing release 0.3.016:19
CIA-94wosc * r113758 /gocept.registration/tags/0.3.0: Tagging 0.3.016:19
CIA-94wosc * r113759 gocept.registration/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Back to development: 0.3.116:19
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CIA-94yuppie * r113760 Zope/src/ZPublisher/tests/testHTTPResponse.py: - added at least one unit test for the 'exception' method16:32
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CIA-94yuppie * r113761 Zope/src/ZPublisher/ (HTTPResponse.py tests/testHTTPResponse.py): - small refactoring for better readability: moved some code in separate _setBCIHeaders method16:48
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CIA-94yuppie * r113762 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst src/ZPublisher/__init__.py): - removed 'Main' and 'Zope' wrappers for Test.publish17:03
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dataflakehehe17:52
CIA-94tseaver * r113763 AccessControl/src/AccessControl/ZopeGuards.py: Use a context manager, since we are Python >= 2.6.x.17:53
Charlie_Xshutup CIA-9417:53
dataflakelooks like tres has better stuff to do17:53
Theuni1hehe17:54
Charlie_XLooks like he's readying the demise of Python 2.5 and Python 2.4.17:54
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dataflakefine by me17:54
mgedminawakr, the web 2.0 solution17:54
Charlie_Xmgedmin: Indeed. Somehow my mistyping is much worse on IRC.17:55
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* Charlie_X wants the new Toshiba ARM-based notebook.17:55
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dataflakethis must be important :-)17:56
dataflakehi alan17:57
* Charlie_X puts on his "Bicycle Toolkit Badge"17:58
dataflakedo I get a badge, too?17:58
Charlie_XSure.17:58
Charlie_XLet's see what I've got...17:59
dataflakethe Zope2 badge17:59
Charlie_XThat's all rusty17:59
Charlie_XAnd covered in Plone goo.17:59
dataflakefor the purpose of this meeting only17:59
Theuni1heh18:00
Theuni1hmm18:00
Theuni1something's wrong with the online docs18:00
Theuni1http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100621.html18:00
Theuni1well it isn't. chrome is caching aggressively18:01
Theuni1let's roll18:01
Charlie_XWrong date18:01
Theuni1dang. you're right. i'll update that.18:01
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Theuni1The bug tracker monitoring is in place now and I've updated it to include project group or project names in the subject which will happen from tonight. Any other questions/ideas about this?18:01
dataflakesounds good18:02
d2m_hi TresEquis, there is a small problem on zope.org regarding display of release dates of software packages18:02
Theuni1As a side note: I was wondering to make the aggregator script produce an HTML dashboard at some point. I keep getting lost having the reports getting longer.18:03
d2m_oh, sorry - is there a meeting going on atm?18:03
Theuni1jup :)18:03
d2m_k, will ask later18:03
planetzopebotisotoma.recipe.plonetools 0.0.6 (PyPI recent updates)  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/isotoma.recipe.plonetools/0.0.618:04
TresEquisTheuni1: your patch for that was better than my uncommitted one18:04
Theuni1heh18:04
Theuni1what was better about it?18:05
Charlie_XTheuni1: I haven't actually done any work with the bug monitor but am happy to help extending it.18:05
TresEquismine was more complicated18:05
CIA-94tseaver * r113764 zope.bugchecker/ (LICENSE.txt COPYRIGHT.txt): Conform to repository policy.18:05
CIA-94tseaver * r113765 zope.bugchecker/src/zope/bugchecker/bugchecker.py:18:05
CIA-94Add option to set SMTP port.18:05
CIA-94Add short option flags for --mail-from, --mail-to.18:05
Theuni1k18:05
Theuni1and more options in there18:05
Theuni1:)18:05
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Theuni1ok, i think that's enough about the bug checker for the moment.18:05
Theuni1for now, i'll try not adding more data to the aggregator but get the failures down to zero18:06
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Theuni1we need to aim for green bar again18:06
Theuni1otherwise the checks become worthless18:06
TresEquisthe languishing bugs check might need to run less often18:07
TresEquisbecause we aren't going to get that one to zaroo any time soon18:07
Theuni1hmm18:07
dataflakeyup18:07
Theuni1true18:07
TresEquisonce a week, maybe?18:08
dataflakenot for a long time18:08
Theuni1fine by me18:08
dataflakeok18:08
Theuni1if we clear them at some point, I'd crank them up again18:08
Theuni1otherwise we'd have a latency of up to 21 days18:08
Theuni1instead of the 14 we're aiming for right now18:08
TresEquissure18:08
TresEquiseven something like monday and friday would work18:09
Theuni1done18:09
Theuni1i'm running them sunday night now18:09
TresEquiscool18:09
Theuni1sunday to monday18:09
TresEquisshorten the interval to 7 days, maybe?18:09
dataflakestart the work week off right...18:10
Theuni1TresEquis: yeah, that would hide the lateny18:10
Theuni1anyway, that's optimization on a level we don't really need right now ;)18:10
Theuni1documentation18:10
TresEquisI have landed the changes I proposed in zope.event trunk18:11
TresEquisand have most of the work done on https://code.launchpad.net/~tseaver/zope.interface/better_unittests18:11
TresEquisbut got stalled18:11
dataflakethat was a while ago18:11
TresEquisI would like to see each ZTK package have its docs converted similarly18:12
TresEquisand findable under http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkig18:12
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TresEquisoops, s/kig/kit/18:12
TresEquisis this topic about some other docs consolidation?18:13
Theuni1ok, so going through the ZTK packages is one thing, for that we can create a bug in launchpad and track status there18:13
Theuni1TresEquis: yes. the minutes from the beginning of the month mentioned the wikis18:13
Theuni1otherwise it was kind of open ended what "floating" documentation covers.18:14
TresEquisfirst people have to find the links to candidate docs18:14
TresEquisthen editors need to evaluate and update them while landing in Sphinx form18:15
TresEquisthat would be a good sprint focus18:15
TresEquishard to do piecemeal18:15
Theuni1right18:15
Theuni1i'll try baking that into a blueprint18:15
Theuni1what's the issue with the integration of docs into zopetoolkit? is that the intersphinx thing?18:16
dataflakeIt could even be links from a static page18:17
TresEquismostly just figuring out where in URL space they should be placed18:17
dataflakefor starters18:17
TresEquisyup18:17
Theuni1so that docs.zope.org/... could list them directly, too18:17
TresEquisintersphinx is about making cross-links resolve from one Sphinx docset to another18:18
Theuni1ah18:18
dataflakethey could be docs.Zope.org/PACKAGE18:18
TresEquissounds good to me18:18
dataflakeor packages.python.org/PACKAGE18:18
TresEquisthe UI for uploading them there is tricky -- I always have a hard time finding it18:19
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dataflakeThere's a setup tools extension18:19
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dataflakeDoes it from the command line18:19
TresEquisI like the idea of keeping them in sync at SVN checkins, though18:19
Theuni1yeah18:19
dataflakeright18:20
Theuni1ok, let's wrap this up.18:20
Theuni1- create a bug for every ZTK project to convert the docs similar to zope.event18:21
Theuni1- add a blueprint for a sprint task to review floating documentation for wikis, to edit and integrate it into sphinx docs18:21
Theuni1- establish routine for getting current svn-based docs delivered to docs.zope.org/package18:22
Theuni1i'll do the first two, anyone one up for the last?18:22
dataflakesounds good18:22
dataflakeI can do the last18:22
* mgedmin wonders if you can teach 'python sdist register upload' to upload the docs too18:22
dataflakeit's mostly automated18:23
TresEquismgedmin: there is an extension which adds an 'upload_docs' command, or some such18:23
fdrakedistutils2 will have an upload_docs command that takes care of uploading docs to packages.python.org.18:24
TresEquisI don't recall where it lives, though18:24
Theuni1last issue18:24
Theuni1bug day18:24
Theuni1any notes WRT the last bug day?18:24
dataflakehow did you like the feedback?18:24
TresEquisI updated the wiki page with stuff from people's e-mailed reports18:24
dataflakeTresEquis: URL?18:25
* Charlie_X felt guilty 'cos he couldn't join in.18:25
Charlie_XI liked the feedback. Gave the whole thing a bit more volume.18:25
Theuni1dataflake: i liked it, i wonder how others liked it :)18:25
TresEquishttp://wiki.zope.org/ztk/BugDay2010061618:25
dataflakeThanks!18:26
Theuni1TresEquis: cool. some formatting issues seem to break the layout a bit18:26
Theuni1Charlie_X: good to hear and yes, i was missing you *hug*18:26
dataflakeLOL18:26
dataflakeawww18:27
Theuni1*g18:27
Theuni1any notes for the next bugday?18:27
Charlie_XYes, it's going to be dangerously close to Europython18:28
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dataflakeSo?18:28
dataflake:-)18:28
Theuni1i'd schedule it in the week of july 1818:28
Theuni1july 12-1818:28
Theuni1(i'll doodle that as the last time)18:29
dataflakeok18:29
dataflakethanks18:29
Theuni1i'll send a short note to the list with the doodle and a pointer to the report from last time on the wiki page18:29
Theuni1i think that's it for today18:29
Charlie_XI can't do the 13th as that's when I'm flying over. However, due to a miracle of timing my parents are actually missing while I'm over.18:29
dataflakewell, tell it to the doodle ;-)18:30
TresEquistime18:30
Theuni1hehe18:31
Theuni1indeed18:31
Theuni1enjoy the rest of your day! :)18:31
Theuni1over and out18:31
dataflakeyou too18:31
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dataflakedoing this on an iPad has a bit of suck to it.18:32
Charlie_XFanboi18:33
TresEquisyou kids get off my grass18:33
dataflakefashion victim18:33
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dataflakeI like it as a book reader, though18:34
Charlie_XI want a Que for that.18:36
Charlie_XAnd I'm struggling not to go out and buy a new phone.18:36
Charlie_XTresEquis: why should smoke it all yourself?18:36
dataflakeI did not struggle. I ordered.18:36
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dataflakehey dan18:37
Charlie_XAh, the joys of instant gratification18:37
dataflakeYou bet18:37
* Charlie_X is currently struggling to register a BFG for Froscon.18:38
dataflakewell, I'm off. See ya!18:40
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TresEquisCharlie_X: you don't think you'll have trouble getting the BFG through airport security?18:41
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Charlie_Xhehe18:42
Charlie_XTresEquis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2cwkWYfGo18:43
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CIA-94yuppie * r113766 Products.ZCTextIndex/src: - ignore egg-info19:32
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fdrakeThis looks like the upload_docs extension that got mentioned earlier: http://bitbucket.org/brosner/sphinx-pypi-upload19:41
Charlie_Xfdrake: maybe post that to the ML when Theuni1 does the summary?19:46
fdrakeyep19:46
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tmassmanhi20:54
tmassmanis it possible to define permissions on fields in schemas?20:54
tmassmanwith z3c.form20:55
Charlie_XFields don't have any concept of permissions.20:58
tmassmanso i have to implement it by myself20:58
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Charlie_XBut you could probably hack your form rendering to allow for it.20:59
Charlie_XWhat's the use case?20:59
tmassmanwe have a couple of content types with a bunch of fields21:00
tmassmannot every field is available in every content type21:00
tmassmanand we have different user types with different permissions (roles)21:01
tmassmanthe owner can access all fields21:01
Charlie_Xah, sort of like a bug tracker screen?21:01
tmassmanone role an read some fields and another can read more fields21:01
tmassmanhmm, kind of21:02
tmassmanall fields are grouped21:03
Charlie_XEasiest thing is probably to iterate over the interface.21:03
tmassmanand the fields are defined in fieldset classes21:03
tmassmanthe content types all have the same groups, but not all fields are available in all content types21:04
Charlie_XThat sounds a bit messy.21:04
tmassman^^21:04
Charlie_XWell, it is easy enough to check permissions on the fly.21:05
tmassmanif i have about 60 fields per content type, and nearly 80% of the fields are the same, i don't want to define the fields in different schemas21:05
Charlie_XChecking for fields is a lot clumsier.21:05
tmassmanyepp21:06
Charlie_XSubclassing interfaces is a breeze and the way to go.21:06
tmassmani found this one: http://zope3.mpg.de/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Zope/PerMission21:07
tmassmanin german21:07
Charlie_XNo problem for me21:07
tmassman:)21:07
fdraketmassman: Normally you can associate permissions with attributes of classes in ZCML; the form libraries pick that up.21:07
fdrakeNot sure z3m.form does that, since I've no experience with that particular library.21:08
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tmassmanok, i'll check the z3c.form documentation21:09
tmassmanthx21:09
Charlie_XThat wiki article covers setting permissions on class attributes as fdrake says.21:10
Charlie_XAs schemas are implemented as interfaces I don't think permissions are relevant to them.21:11
fdrakeIt's really a lower-level feature than forms.21:11
fdrakeRight.21:11
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fdrakeForms just reflect the permissions set for attributes.21:11
Charlie_XI've never seen that check done in anger but then I haven't set any attribute permissions.21:12
Charlie_XAbusing an interface for convenience (promising an attribute you don't provide) is, however, asking for trouble.21:13
tmassmanjust checking the dexterity developer manual - there it is possible to set read and write permissions21:14
tmassmanwe are not working with dexterity/plone, so maybe we will implenet that feature by our own21:15
Charlie_XThe simplest thing to do is to try setting the attribute permissions and seeing if z3c.form responds to that. But I highly recommend you clean up your schemas.21:16
tmassmanwell, the schemas are as minimal as possible21:18
tmassmanand no field is defined twice21:18
Charlie_XYes, but because you're schemas don't match your objects you risking adaptation errors.21:20
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tmassmanok, refactoring ;)21:26
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Charlie_XYes, because it means fewer risky, on-the-fly checks.21:28
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planetzopebotzeam.form.base 1.0b4 (PyPI recent updates)  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zeam.form.base/1.0b423:04
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