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| CIA-94 | Use print to display tell output to avoid unimportant differences | 01:03 |
| CIA-94 | between logs and ints. | 01:03 |
| CIA-94 | jim * r114662 ZODB/src/ZEO/cache.py: Close input file nefore renaming or removing it. | 01:03 |
| fdrake | Logs and ints are different; logs are meant to be cast into furniture, or into the fire. | 01:04 |
| mcdonc | ints you fry with a magnifying glass | 01:05 |
| fdrake | Right! Very different from logs. | 01:06 |
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| jefimenko | i have a simple question about buildout. i know it's not directly related to zope, but you guys are smart, you use buildout, and the buildout channel is dead | 08:59 |
| jefimenko | does anyone know how to install a python package via a direct URL | 08:59 |
| jefimenko | with buildout | 08:59 |
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| jefimenko | this package is not available on PyPI or any of the other popular python package indexes, but it is on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyst/ | 09:01 |
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| kosh | sorry I don't know much about buildout | 09:04 |
| jefimenko | np | 09:05 |
| kosh | the only buildout stuff I have used is an existing recipe | 09:06 |
| kosh | and it is pretty late at night in the usa so most people are probably asleep right now | 09:06 |
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| CIA-94 | janwijbrand * r114665 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/releaseteam/ (meeting-20100706.rst index.rst): ztk-releaseteam minutes for 07/06 meeting | 09:30 |
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| CIA-94 | janwijbrand * r114667 groktoolkit/grok.cfg: forgot to update the gtk trunk to grok-1.1.1 | 10:47 |
| planetzopebot | Restoring an older state of arbitrary Zope objects (Site - Blog of Andreas Jung) http://www.zopyx.com/blog/restoring-an-older-state-of-arbitrary-zope-objects | 11:04 |
| planetzopebot | collective.fancyzoomview 1.0.1 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.fancyzoomview/1.0.1 | 11:04 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch 2.12 * r114668 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg setup.py): Prepare Zope2 2.12.9. | 11:46 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114669 /Zope/tags/2.12.9: Tagged Zope2 2.12.9. | 11:46 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch 2.12 * r114670 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg setup.py): Bump version | 11:46 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114671 zope2docs/releases: New 2.12 release | 11:46 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114672 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg setup.py): Prepare Zope2 2.13.0a2. | 12:00 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114673 /Zope/tags/2.13.0a2: Tagged Zope2 2.13.0a2. | 12:00 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114674 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg setup.py): Bump version | 12:00 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114675 zope2docs/releases: New 2.13 | 12:00 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114676 zope.z2release/ (CHANGES.txt zope/z2release/cli.py): Support packages with underscores in their name. | 12:16 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114677 zope.z2release/zope/z2release/ (cli.py utils.py): Support packages with underscores in their name. | 12:31 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114678 zope.z2release/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Prepare zope.z2release 0.6. | 12:31 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114679 /zope.z2release/tags/0.6: Tagged zope.z2release 0.6. | 12:31 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114680 zope.z2release/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Bump version | 12:31 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114681 zope2index/buildout.cfg: Update z2release | 12:31 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114682 zope.z2release/zope/z2release/cli.py: Naive implementation of ztk support | 13:01 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114683 zope.z2release/zope/z2release/cli.py: Factor out fetching the cfg | 13:01 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114684 zope.z2release/zope/z2release/cli.py: Factor out writing the versions | 13:01 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114685 zope.z2release/zope/z2release/cli.py: We don't need to special case Zope2, a version pin is included in the cfg itself | 13:01 |
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| planetzopebot | Zope2 2.13.0a2 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Zope2/2.13.0a2 | 13:04 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114686 zope.z2release/zope/z2release/cli.py: Final refactoring | 13:16 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114688 /zope.z2release/tags/0.7: Tagged zope.z2release 0.7. | 13:16 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114689 zope.z2release/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Bump version | 13:16 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114690 zope2index/buildout.cfg: Next z2release version | 13:16 |
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| CIA-94 | jim * r114691 ZODB/src/ZEO/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 13:30 |
| CIA-94 | Normalize ctime for tests to avoid spurios test failures in | 13:30 |
| CIA-94 | non-standart ;) time zones. | 13:30 |
| CIA-94 | Cleanup trailing whitespace in verbose stats output. | 13:30 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114692 Zope/doc/CHANGES.rst: Correct changelog | 13:30 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch 2.13.0a2 * r114693 Zope/doc/CHANGES.rst: Correct changelog on the tag | 13:31 |
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| planetzopebot | zope.z2release 0.6 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.z2release/0.6 | 14:04 |
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| CIA-94 | jim * r114694 ZODB/src/CHANGES.txt: Updated release date | 14:18 |
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| CIA-94 | jim 3.10.0b2 * r114696 ZODB/setup.py: updated version. | 14:19 |
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| planetzopebot | zope.z2release 0.7 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.z2release/0.7 | 15:04 |
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| * Theuni1 gets a coffee, although its way too warm already, anyway | 17:57 | |
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| Charlie_X | It cooled down here a bit yesterday. | 18:00 |
| Theuni1 | yeah | 18:00 |
| Theuni1 | now it's just equally hot as hell, not hotter than hell | 18:01 |
| MatthewWilkes | Charlie_X: I've run away up north, this is much easier to handle :) | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | alright. before this turns into a bitching contest about the weather, let's start | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: you there? | 18:01 |
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| Charlie_X | MatthewWilkes: that's my plan too. Get in to Manchestoh tomorrow afternon and driving straight to Aberdeen. | 18:01 |
| TresEquis | Theuni1: yup | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: wanna talk about the abandoned projects? | 18:02 |
| TresEquis | sure | 18:02 |
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| TresEquis | there are a bunch of projects which nobody cares about in SVN | 18:02 |
| TresEquis | e.g., enough to update their copyright headers, etc. to conform to policy | 18:02 |
| TresEquis | I'd like us to think about moving them out of the main svn root | 18:03 |
| TresEquis | either to a subtree of some wort | 18:03 |
| TresEquis | or another repository | 18:03 |
| TresEquis | and take them out of the repository conformance check | 18:03 |
| TresEquis | before we doe that | 18:03 |
| TresEquis | we should try to associate each project with its most frequent committers | 18:04 |
| TresEquis | and bug those folks to see if they still care about it | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | that last thing sounds reasonable. | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | i just scrolled through the last report | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | and it looks like quite a few of them are zope.* | 18:04 |
| TresEquis | if they don't answer, then the question, "is this abandoned?" is valid | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | right | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | i think bugging people directly would be nice because it would increase visibility of "something needs to be done on a project you probably care about" | 18:05 |
| TresEquis | a lot of zope.app | 18:05 |
| TresEquis | and zc.* | 18:05 |
| TresEquis | and z3c.* | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | the overall list is so long that people probably don't bother scrolling through it | 18:05 |
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| Charlie_X | I'd like to see the list at least in the summary here. | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: ? | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: the list is *long* | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/015992.html | 18:06 |
| TresEquis | maybe update the report to show last commit, frequent committers | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | The list of "stuff no one seems to care about". At least in the summary of one of these meetings. | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: hmm. were you thinking about personal or automated harrassment? | 18:07 |
| TresEquis | the 414 projects | 18:07 |
| TresEquis | Theuni1: I'm not sure | 18:07 |
| TresEquis | if we update the nightly report to show frequent committers | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | then people could search for their own name | 18:08 |
| TresEquis | maybe that would help -- people could scan for their own IDs | 18:08 |
| TresEquis | jinx | 18:08 |
| TresEquis | also, date of last commit | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | voodoo? | 18:08 |
| fdrake | Heh. There's a lot of zc.* in that report as well. | 18:08 |
| * Theuni1 hands them over to fdrake | 18:08 | |
| Theuni1 | "A jinx is a condition of bad luck possibly by way of a curse." | 18:08 |
| fdrake | No!!!!! | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | *g | 18:08 |
| fdrake | Will try and review those as time allows, but I'm pretty swamped right now. | 18:09 |
| TresEquis | A common slang term used when two people say the same thing at the same time, said as a game among the young. | 18:09 |
| Charlie_X | "snap" | 18:09 |
| * hannosch smiles at young | 18:10 | |
| Theuni1 | fdrake: everyone is. we tried to do some forced updating to "get it through with" but not enough people joined in to get through | 18:10 |
| TresEquis | obviously some of them are things people *do* care about | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | "Jinx (children's game) - A jinx, or "personal jinx", is a children's game with myriad highly varied rules and penalties that occurs when two people unintentionally or intentionally speak the same word or phrase simultan..." | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: thats why i think its a matter of visibility | 18:10 |
| TresEquis | Theuni1: I'm not sure that forcing it through was right | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | and blaming | 18:10 |
| TresEquis | people need to care about their software | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: looks like it :) | 18:10 |
| hannosch | I for one would appreciate a list of packages with names | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | i think it also has the issue of "someone else will do it" | 18:11 |
| TresEquis | https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016549.html | 18:11 |
| TresEquis | hannosch: oic, you mean committer names | 18:11 |
| hannosch | then I could search the list for my name. currently it's just too many | 18:11 |
| Charlie_X | Very true, Theuni1. | 18:11 |
| TresEquis | hannosch: even with names, it would be a lot for you ;) | 18:11 |
| fdrake | Theuni1: Yeah, I know. Volunteers tend to wear out quickly. Be patient. | 18:11 |
| hannosch | TresEquis: not a problem. but I don't care about z3c. or zc stuff. the rest I'm willing to work on :) | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | fdrake: no worries, i am, it just also made me stop doing the "10 fixes" every day | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | does anyone have time to do the change to the checker script? i'm really swamped right now. | 18:12 |
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| * Charlie_X waves his hand. | 18:12 | |
| Theuni1 | you got it | 18:12 |
| Charlie_X | I can probably do that *after* Europython | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | that's next week? | 18:13 |
| Charlie_X | Please tell me what to do in an e-mail | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | will do | 18:13 |
| Charlie_X | Yes, next week. | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: does that work for you? | 18:13 |
| TresEquis | sure | 18:13 |
| Charlie_X | I'm in the UK until 28th | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | i think i'll make the check only run weekly, too, then | 18:13 |
| TresEquis | we can look at putting them in a ghetto later | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | ack | 18:13 |
| TresEquis | other topics? | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | sure | 18:14 |
| Charlie_X | Hanno's ZTK + Python 2.7 suggestion? | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | i didn't read that thread | 18:14 |
| hannosch | it's just one mail really | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | also, i'm not sure if its a good idea to split up discussions between media | 18:15 |
| TresEquis | +1 for supporting 2.7 ASAP | 18:15 |
| TresEquis | if it weren't for the ZODB pin, we'd be almost there ;) | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | hmm. i wonder how much of zodb 3.9 has that issue | 18:16 |
| TresEquis | why can't we say ZODB 3.9.x supports 2.7? | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | if someone ran the tests on the 3.9 branch ... ;) | 18:16 |
| hannosch | Jim would have to say that | 18:16 |
| TresEquis | wju | 18:16 |
| TresEquis | why? | 18:16 |
| hannosch | he's been fixing a lot of tests on trunk to get it supported | 18:16 |
| hannosch | those test fixes would need to be backported I guess | 18:16 |
| TresEquis | ugh, doctests | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | brrr | 18:17 |
| * TresEquis backs away slowly | 18:17 | |
| * Theuni1 stops breathing | 18:17 | |
| hannosch | and I'm not convinced supporting four Python versions at the same time is such a good idea | 18:17 |
| hannosch | I'd rather see a ZTK 1.0 and quickly followed by a 1.1 which drops 2.4 and includes 2.7 | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch: we're giving up 2.4 after ztk 1.0, right? | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | i'd appreciate something like that | 18:18 |
| hannosch | Theuni1: yes | 18:18 |
| Charlie_X | We're only keeping 2.4 for fdrake | 18:18 |
| TresEquis | can we release 1.0 sooner, and do 2.4 on the slower schedule? | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | and then we could upgrade zodb to 3.10 and have python 2.7 without doing busywork now | 18:18 |
| hannosch | 1.0 is waiting for all tests to be fixed | 18:18 |
| hannosch | that's the only blocker | 18:18 |
| fdrake | And I'm working on getting us off 2.4; it *will* happen! | 18:19 |
| TresEquis | hannosch: we need Windows developers | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | sounds like a drug issue *g | 18:19 |
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| TresEquis | or else quit saying Windows is a supported platform | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | developers, developers, developers, developers ... | 18:19 |
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| * hannosch wifi had a bad reaction to Windows :) | 18:19 | |
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| Theuni1 | lol | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch: "(05:19:31 PM) TresEquis: or else quit saying Windows is a supported platform" | 18:20 |
| hannosch | I think we are almost there with Windows | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: there are some people around that do use windows or at least are interested in it | 18:20 |
| TresEquis | they need to help fix bugs | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | (I actually have a young volunteer on a grok-based project who is working with windows regularly ...) | 18:20 |
| TresEquis | that only show up on Windows buildbots | 18:20 |
| TresEquis | like the delete-open-files breakages | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | could this be a visibility/outreach issue as well? | 18:21 |
| TresEquis | at the very least, they need to debug to figure out which files are open | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | do those people who know/use windows know about these specific issues in the buildbots? maybe the test output discussions get ignored? | 18:21 |
| TresEquis | since none of the core folks run on that goofy CRTL | 18:21 |
| TresEquis | I try to summarize, but have gotten weary of it | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: yeah, good job, though :) | 18:22 |
| hannosch | I think Adam has done a good job so far. he needs some more help but we are pretty close | 18:22 |
| TresEquis | amen to that | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | i think we need to get the amount of failures down so that the summarization doesn't need you every morning ;) | 18:22 |
| TresEquis | he has the builder part going great | 18:22 |
| hannosch | yep. I need to have another look at what actually fails on Windows now | 18:23 |
| hannosch | the zope.testing doctests are a pain | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | ok, so our original topic was ZTK 1.0 versus python 2.7 | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | was the suggestion of supporting python 2.4-2.6 in ztk 1.0 and 2.5-2.7 in ztk 1.1 agreed upon? | 18:24 |
| hannosch | I think so | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | k | 18:24 |
| TresEquis | yup | 18:24 |
| * TresEquis doesn't really even care about 2.5 at this point | 18:25 | |
| TresEquis | although supporting it isn't very hard | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | hmm, ok, anything else? | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | I didn't manage to write up the summary from last week. I'll take some time during the bug day tomorrow, to catch up. | 18:26 |
| Charlie_X | who else is in Birmingham next week | 18:26 |
| * Theuni1 not :( | 18:26 | |
| * hannosch neither | 18:26 | |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: can you tell people about the summit and the dzug conference at EP? | 18:27 |
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| Charlie_X | will do | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | thanks! | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | also, i'd like to remind people who consider joining the summit to please mail us at mail@gocept.com whether you're coming or not, so we can plan for it | 18:27 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: wiki as well? | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | what wiki? :) | 18:28 |
| hannosch | Theuni1: do you sent confirmations? I registered but got no response | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch: we didn't send confirmations back as andrea is on holidays | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | hannosch: but everyone who mailed up until now is definitely in ;) | 18:29 |
| hannosch | aha :) | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | ok, time's up, | 18:30 |
| * Theuni1 crawls back to some cool area | 18:30 | |
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| planetzopebot | stxnext.staticdeployment 0.7.2 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/stxnext.staticdeployment/0.7.2 | 18:34 |
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| CIA-94 | faassen * r114697 hurry.resource/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Add a WSGI middleware that will pull in resources. | 18:37 |
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| Charlie_X | TresEquis: what did you mean with the XUL reference? | 18:39 |
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| TresEquis | Charlie_X: I didn't know what you meant by "domain" | 18:55 |
| TresEquis | I know of at least two uses of the word in the Zope ecosphere | 18:56 |
| TresEquis | "translation domains" vs "domain authentication" | 18:56 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114698 hurry.resource/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Prepare for 0.9 release. | 18:56 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114699 hurry.resource/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Preparing release 0.9 | 18:56 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114700 /hurry.resource/tags/0.9: Tagging 0.9 | 18:56 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114701 hurry.resource/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Back to development: 1.0 | 18:56 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114702 hurry.resource/README.txt: Stop distutils from complaining. | 18:56 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114703 hurry.resource/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): More modestly prepare for bugfix release next. | 18:56 |
| CIA-94 | faassen 0.9 * r114704 hurry.resource/src/hurry/resource/README.txt: Fixup ReST bug. | 18:56 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114705 hurry.resource/src/hurry/resource/README.txt: Fixup ReST bug. | 18:56 |
| Charlie_X | domain authentication - the user preferences form. | 18:59 |
| Charlie_X | I can't think of a CMF use case where members get to set their authenication domains. | 18:59 |
| Charlie_X | Which is probably why we have the helpful line about "don't worry if you don't know what domains are." | 19:00 |
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| Charlie_X | But I googled your question and found out that people were spoofing authentication domains with XUL (the Mozilla configuration stuff) | 19:04 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114706 /Products.MailHost: Next Zope 2 spin-off | 19:16 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114707 /Products.MailHost/ (tags trunk branches): Structure | 19:16 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114708 Products.MailHost/: Boilerplate | 19:16 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114709 Products.MailHost/ (10 files in 3 dirs): svn add could help | 19:16 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114710 Products.MailHost/src/Products/MailHost: Get the code | 19:16 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114711 Products.MailHost/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Cleanup | 19:16 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114712 Products.MailHost/src/Products/MailHost/ (5 files in 2 dirs): PEP8 | 19:33 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114713 Products.MailHost/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Prepare Products.MailHost 2.13.0. | 19:33 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114714 /Products.MailHost/tags/2.13.0: Tagged Products.MailHost 2.13.0. | 19:33 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114715 Products.MailHost/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Bump version | 19:33 |
| TresEquis | Charlie_X: domains should be set only by the admin | 19:40 |
| TresEquis | as they bypass other authentication | 19:40 |
| TresEquis | they aren't "member data" at all | 19:40 |
| TresEquis | ZMI only, in other words, probably only in PAS | 19:41 |
| TresEquis | the classic user folder is crap | 19:41 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114716 Zope/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Factored out MailHost | 19:47 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114717 hurry.jquery/src/hurry/jquery/prepare.py: Fix typo. | 19:47 |
| CIA-94 | faassen * r114718 hurry.jquery/README.txt: Fix documentation bug. | 19:47 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r114719 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg): Update to ZODB3 = 3.10.0b2 | 19:47 |
| Charlie_X | That's what I think. I'll rip them out of password_form | 19:48 |
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| kyler | I'm looking for a way to pass Zope2/Startup/run.py a setting such as INSTANCE_HOME. | 20:09 |
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| Theuni1 | why to run.py? | 20:17 |
| Theuni1 | you mean for execution with bin/zopectl run? | 20:17 |
| Theuni1 | i think it can pass through command line arguments (sys.argv) | 20:18 |
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| bigkevmcd | or, INSTANCE_HOME=x bin/zopectl run ? | 20:32 |
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| kyler | Theuni1: Yes, I'd like to make some settings from environment variables or the command line instead of in the configuration file. I don't see a way to access OS environment variables in the config file. | 20:38 |
| Theuni1 | please, don't use environment variables | 20:38 |
| Theuni1 | they're a pain to maintain in the long run | 20:39 |
| Theuni1 | use command line arguments, put it in config files, whatever | 20:39 |
| Theuni1 | does the parameter change between different runs of your application or is it always the same? | 20:39 |
| Theuni1 | if it is the latter then put it into zope.conf | 20:39 |
| kyler | Theuni1: It'll change. Environment variables would be easy to use but how do I stick it in the command line? | 20:41 |
| Theuni1 | uhm, doesn't sys.argv contain the information after starting? | 20:42 |
| Theuni1 | bin/zopectl run foo.py fdsa fasdfdsaf -> look into sys.argv | 20:42 |
| kyler | Theuni1: Yes, but how do I "look into sys.argv" from zope.conf? | 20:42 |
| Theuni1 | why do you want to look into that from zope.conf? | 20:43 |
| Theuni1 | that question doesn't make sense to me | 20:43 |
| Theuni1 | lets step back a bit | 20:43 |
| Theuni1 | what are you trying to achieve? | 20:43 |
| kyler | I want to set the location of the logs and the port numbers. | 20:43 |
| Theuni1 | are you using buildout? | 20:44 |
| kyler | no | 20:44 |
| Theuni1 | there you go ;) | 20:44 |
| Theuni1 | What you're looking for is a build system that performs those kinds of actions for you and automates the installation of instances | 20:44 |
| Theuni1 | let me check whether the docs have something about how to get started with it | 20:44 |
| kyler | I'm using Zope 2.9. | 20:44 |
| kyler | It would be sooooo simple if I could access OS environment variables in zope.conf | 20:45 |
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| mcdonc | +1, this should be a feature | 20:45 |
| Theuni1 | kyler: http://docs.zope.org/zope2/zdgbook/GettingStarted.html | 20:45 |
| Theuni1 | mcdonc: yikes :( | 20:45 |
| kyler | mcdonc: It would also address this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/+bug/143046 | 20:46 |
| _mup_ | Bug #143046: Having to set variable in start script AND .conf is idiotic :-( <bug> <zope> <Zope 2:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/143046> | 20:46 |
| mcdonc | for port numbers and path locations, absolutely | 20:46 |
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| mcdonc | at least have a $HERE | 20:47 |
| mcdonc | for path locations | 20:47 |
| mcdonc | cwd doesnt cut it | 20:47 |
| mcdonc | (note that this is my fault, i argued against it many years ago) | 20:48 |
| kyler | Theuni1: Does that build new instances? | 20:48 |
| Theuni1 | yup | 20:48 |
| kyler | Theuni1: I don't want that. | 20:48 |
| Theuni1 | kyler: i guess you don't want that, but there's a conceptual gap in there, which will solve your problem on a different level. | 20:49 |
| CIA-94 | trollfot * r114721 groktoolkit/grok-ecosystem.cfg: Updated `dolmen.content` version | 20:49 |
| * Theuni1 handwaves to avoid too much typing and because he's too stupid for succinct explanations today | 20:49 | |
| Theuni1 | mcdonc: i'm with you on $HERE | 20:49 |
| kyler | mcdonc: It sounds like you've researched this more than I have. You've determined that it's not possible to pass variables for use in zope.conf? | 20:49 |
| Theuni1 | .oO(that means he probably wrote most of that code) | 20:49 |
| mcdonc | i helped write the code that made it not possible eight or so years ago ;-) | 20:50 |
| mcdonc | zconfig may have changed since then | 20:50 |
| mcdonc | i doubt it | 20:50 |
| Theuni1 | "Here's a dime, go, get yourself a good appserver" | 20:50 |
| kyler | mcdonc: Oh. Darn. Well...then I'll ask you for insight on it. Could I use a pipe for the config file? | 20:50 |
| mcdonc | hehe | 20:50 |
| mcdonc | dont know if you can use a pipe or not | 20:51 |
| mcdonc | doubtful | 20:51 |
| kyler | mcdonc: (I'm about to try it but I thought you'd know of any gotchas that might not be obvious.) | 20:51 |
| mcdonc | it probably wants a filename | 20:51 |
| kyler | mcdonc: I was thinking /dev/stdin (or similar). | 20:51 |
| mcdonc | its been 8 years | 20:51 |
| kyler | mcdonc: I thought I recognized your alias. That's around the time I was getting heavy into Zope. | 20:52 |
| mcdonc | ah right, well, welcome back! ;-) | 20:52 |
| Theuni1 | kyler: i really do suggest you ponder buildout at least for a bit. however, i'll shut up about it for now. ;) | 20:54 |
| kyler | Theuni1: Thanks for the insight. I'm looking for minimal changes right now but I'll try to look at it again. | 20:54 |
| mcdonc | not to derail into the theoretical but i kinda find the idea of relying on buildout to manage config files a little horrific | 20:55 |
| mcdonc | at least without also being able to change them by hand | 20:56 |
| mcdonc | (which is usually an incompatible goal) | 20:56 |
| Theuni1 | mcdonc: change by hand for what reason? | 20:57 |
| mcdonc | any reason i guess | 20:58 |
| Theuni1 | hmm. i think that's mostly an issue of having reasonable recipes that allow you to insert stuff arbitrarily | 20:58 |
| mcdonc | it reminds me of m4 | 20:58 |
| mcdonc | to generate sendmail config files | 20:58 |
| Theuni1 | heh | 20:58 |
| Theuni1 | yeah, someone was fresh out of drugs when he did *that* | 20:59 |
| mcdonc | hehe | 20:59 |
| mcdonc | i kinda like just checking the config files into svn | 20:59 |
| mcdonc | but whatever works for folks really | 20:59 |
| mcdonc | i guess i get a little weirded out when people start asking me questions about like collective.recipe.supervisor | 21:00 |
| mcdonc | as if somehow that thing made sense | 21:00 |
| mcdonc | and i should know about it | 21:00 |
| Theuni1 | heh | 21:00 |
| teix | mcdonc: of course you *must* know! :) | 21:01 |
| mcdonc | oops is that yours? ;-) | 21:01 |
| teix | eheh | 21:01 |
| mcdonc | sorry ;-) | 21:01 |
| teix | mcdonc: nope but could be... in future :) | 21:01 |
| mcdonc | ah ok | 21:02 |
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| mcdonc | kyler: wait a sec.. i think there's a -X command line parameter that you can use to override config file values? | 21:04 |
| mcdonc | hmm, i cant unwind it quickly | 21:06 |
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| mcdonc | but i think there is a way to pass values that override the config file values on the command line and i *think* that has something to do with the -X option to runzope, iirc | 21:07 |
| fdrake | -X is hacky, but yes, that would work. | 21:07 |
| fdrake | What's the setting you want to override? | 21:07 |
| mcdonc | he wants to override the zserver port value, likely | 21:07 |
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| kyler | Sweet! I want to set at least INSTANCE. Port numbers too. | 21:08 |
| kyler | instancehome, that is. | 21:08 |
| mcdonc | fred to the rescue! | 21:09 |
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| kyler | Yay! -X seems to do exactly what I want...if I can use it multiple times. Lessee... | 21:09 |
| kyler | Hmmm...I can use it multiple times but it appears that it must match an existing setting. IOW, I can't set "httpport" and then use "$httpport" inside <http-server>. | 21:10 |
| kyler | fdrake: Thanks for the lead. This at least gets me closer to a solution. | 21:11 |
| fdrake | There might be a -D as well, for $variables, but that's pretty iffy. (ZConfig variables don't like re-definition, so not sure how that'd play out.) | 21:13 |
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| mcdonc | fdrake: can you do like -DHERE=`pwd` if its not a redefine? | 21:14 |
| kyler | Oh! Piping the config file works! That'll do what I need but I'll look into -D. | 21:15 |
| mcdonc | neat | 21:16 |
| fdrake | Maybe. | 21:16 |
| TresEquis | fdrake: you could merge my dead_reckoning branch to add $here ;) | 21:16 |
| fdrake | I'd have to go read the code. | 21:17 |
| kyler | "Error: option -D not recognized" | 21:17 |
| TresEquis | https://code.launchpad.net/~tseaver/zconfig/dead_reckoning | 21:17 |
| fdrake | TresEquis: You presume I have time to read the patch. :-) | 21:17 |
| TresEquis | h | 21:17 |
| TresEquis | you have time to hang out here ;) | 21:17 |
| fdrake | (I've got them open in a tab somewhere.....) | 21:17 |
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| fdrake | I'm just procrastinating now. | 21:17 |
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| TresEquis | "procrasinate faster!" | 21:18 |
| kyler | I'm going to stick with generating a config file and piping it into run.py for now. Thanks for the advice, all. | 21:18 |
| * fdrake approves of generated config. | 21:18 | |
| mcdonc | i remember seeing somewhere a library that generated timestamps like "28 days ago" | 21:20 |
| mcdonc | anybody remember this | 21:20 |
| kyler | mcdonc: Oh...I'm pretty sure I've used it but I also recall making my own...hmmmm... | 21:21 |
| kyler | fdrake: Since you like to make patches and you like my generated config file idea, maybe you'd like to solve this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/+bug/143046 | 21:22 |
| _mup_ | Bug #143046: Having to set variable in start script AND .conf is idiotic :-( <bug> <zope> <Zope 2:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/143046> | 21:22 |
| fdrake | I like to make patches? | 21:22 |
| kyler | fdrake: Oops! You're not the one who generated that patch. Sorry. | 21:23 |
| fdrake | :-) | 21:23 |
| fdrake | I've also not used Zope 2 in years and years. | 21:23 |
| mcdonc | except when no one is looking | 21:25 |
| mcdonc | timeago.yarp.com.. sorry it was a jquery thing | 21:25 |
| TresEquis | fdrake: I could do the merge, if you just review | 21:30 |
| fdrake | TresEquis: I suspected as much. :-) | 21:31 |
| TresEquis | not a very big patch | 21:31 |
| * fdrake figures out how to see the patch on lauchpad.... | 21:33 | |
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| TresEquis | "expand all" | 21:33 |
| fdrake | Hmm. $here can be wrong for included files. | 21:33 |
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| TresEquis | after clicking the changeset | 21:33 |
| TresEquis | I think it has to always be relative to the "main" file | 21:33 |
| TresEquis | unless you think it gets scoped | 21:34 |
| fdrake | As a user, I'd be surprised that $here doesn't refer to the directory I'm in. | 21:34 |
| fdrake | But that said, it wouldn't be much harder to do that. | 21:35 |
| TresEquis | the convention with Paste config files is that $here is the directory containing the config file | 21:35 |
| fdrake | The backward-compatibility issue is that someone's existing %define here ... will explode. | 21:35 |
| fdrake | TresEquis: Yeah; by "directory I'm in", I mean the directory the config file being parsed is in. | 21:36 |
| fdrake | If the main config is in /a/file.conf, and includes /a/b/another.conf, I'd expect references in /a/file.conf to refer to /a, and in /a/b/another.conf to refer to /a/b. | 21:37 |
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| TresEquis | fdrake: no BBB problem in that patch, because here gets defined only if there are no other defines | 21:39 |
| TresEquis | for real-world cases, included files pretty much won't matter, I think | 21:40 |
| TresEquis | mostly $here exists to allow most-local configuration | 21:40 |
| fdrake | You expect it to mostly be used with %include, or for other things? | 21:42 |
| fdrake | %include should already be doing to right relative thing. | 21:42 |
| TresEquis | find the var and log directories, mostly | 21:42 |
| TresEquis | maybe paths to scripts | 21:42 |
| fdrake | I'm going to disappoint you and require time to ponder. | 21:43 |
| fdrake | Bug me in a week, though, if you don't get a response. | 21:43 |
| TresEquis | ok | 21:46 |
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| jefimenko | is anyone here familiar with buildout? | 21:51 |
| * Charlie_X reckons most people here use buildout | 21:51 | |
| jefimenko | i know the zope community likes it... smart guys ;) | 21:52 |
| jefimenko | most people don't adopt it | 21:52 |
| jefimenko | i can't figure out for the life of me how to install a package from a direct URL | 21:53 |
| jefimenko | not a package index like PyPI or anything | 21:53 |
| jefimenko | like this http://sourceforge.net/projects/s3tools/ | 21:54 |
| Charlie_X | ooh, sourceforge is tricky because of the urls. | 22:00 |
| Charlie_X | -i does allow you to point to another index. Probably best checking how that works. I don't think indexes are that magical. | 22:00 |
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| planetzopebot | ZODB 2.10b2 released (ZODB Documentation) http://zodbdocs.blogspot.com/2010/07/zodb-210b2-released.html | 22:04 |
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| Charlie_X | --find-links (-f) additional URL(s) to search for packages | 22:05 |
| Charlie_X | That's the command for easy_install that buildout calls. | 22:05 |
| jefimenko | Charlie_X: i tried pointing find-links directly to it | 22:08 |
| jefimenko | it doesn't seem to work | 22:08 |
| jefimenko | one second | 22:09 |
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| Charlie_X | Should be fine as long as it is pointing to an egg, | 22:14 |
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| jefimenko | Charlie_X: so that download now link should work? | 22:24 |
| jefimenko | http://sourceforge.net/projects/s3tools/files/s3cmd/0.9.9.91/s3cmd-0.9.9.91.zip/download | 22:24 |
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| jefimenko | i added that url to find-links in buildout.cfg: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/237160/ | 22:37 |
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| jefimenko | and the setup.py includes the s3cmd dependency: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/237161/ | 22:38 |
| jefimenko | it can't find s3cmd when running buildout: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/237162/ | 22:39 |
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| Charlie_X | Notice how the mysql driver (also on Sourceforge) includes the mirror | 22:42 |
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| jefimenko | Charlie_X: thanks | 22:53 |
| jefimenko | just lost about 6 hours of my life on this since yesterday :) | 22:53 |
| jefimenko | but i got it with the direct link | 22:54 |
| Charlie_X | That makes you better than me. | 22:56 |
| Charlie_X | But glad you got it sorted. | 22:56 |
| kyler | The Extensions directory can't be set in zope.conf (in Zope 2.9)? | 22:56 |
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| Charlie_X | Most of this stuff is easier than it seems. Once you get it sussed. | 22:56 |
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| Charlie_X | kyler: I think the gurus are hiding. | 22:57 |
| Charlie_X | Extensions looks both in the Extensions directory and at a Product level so I don't think it's configurable. | 22:58 |
| kyler | Charlie_X: Thank you. It still seems like the Extensions directory could be set, just like the Products directory is (and they could both be searched). | 23:01 |
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| Charlie_X | Not really it says that Products and Extensions are hard-wired to instancehome | 23:04 |
| Charlie_X | I'm trying to think if anything other than PythonScripts make user of Extensions. | 23:04 |
| Charlie_X | App.Extensions is where it's handled | 23:07 |
| Charlie_X | if prefix == "Extensions" and getattr(cfg, 'extensions', None) is not None: | 23:08 |
| Charlie_X | So you can set it. | 23:08 |
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| TresEquis | kyler: making Extensions configurable is a recent feature | 23:30 |
| TresEquis | not around when 2.9.0 whipped | 23:30 |
| TresEquis | s/whipped/shipped/ | 23:30 |
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| kosh | zope has had some interesting changes recently | 23:34 |
| kosh | with wsgi coming in 2.13 what are the advantages of using zope with wsgi vs running it like we do now and just having apache proxy it and do all the virtual host etc | 23:34 |
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| CIA-94 | tseaver * r114722 ZConfig/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 23:47 |
| CIA-94 | Allow identical redefinition of ``%define`` names. | 23:47 |
| CIA-94 | Merges lp:~tseaver/zconfig/allow_identical_redefine . | 23:47 |
| kyler | TresEquis: Thanks for the update. | 23:47 |
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