IRC log of #zope for Tuesday, 2010-07-20

CIA-94benji * r114855 zope.testrunner/ (log message trimmed)00:07
CIA-94freshen the bootstrap (copied from00:07
CIA-94The previous would generate this output:00:07
CIA-94Traceback (most recent call last):00:07
CIA-94File "", line 58, in <module>00:07
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CIA-94benji * r114856 zope.testrunner/ (5 files in 2 dirs):01:08
CIA-94merge in utf8 support for tracebacks01:08
CIA-94I added python-subunit to tests_require and the tests extra on the principal01:08
CIA-94that tests with non-abhorrent dependencies should be run by default, and01:08
CIA-94python-subunit seems reasonable.01:08
CIA-94for the details01:08
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CIA-94faassen * r114857 hurry.resource/ (6 files in 2 dirs):01:26
CIA-94Decouple hurry.resource from ZCA. Still need to make sure tests run01:26
CIA-94without zope.interface, but dependency is still pulled in (by testrunner01:26
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_mup_Bug #143501 was filed: bug in ZPT engine with tal:on-error and i18n:translate <bug> <zope> <zope.tal:New> <>03:07
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_mup_Bug #428571 was filed: zpt and javascript xhtml errors <zope.pagetemplate:New> <>03:27
_mup_Bug #602965 was filed: zope.sendmail unnecessarily errors out when checking async directories <async> <sendmail> <zope2> <Plone:Confirmed> <zope.sendmail:New> <Zope 2:New> <>03:27
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CIA-94baijum * r114858 /bluebream/website/versions.cfg: upgrade packages09:31
CIA-94baijum * r114859 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/community/browserresource.rst: bit cleanup09:31
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CIA-94baijum * r114860 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/manual/configuration.rst: Bit cleanup10:15
CIA-94baijum * r114861 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/ update version10:15
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CIA-94hannosch 2.12 * r114862 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg Prepare Zope2
CIA-94hannosch * r114863 /Zope/tags/2.12.10: Tagged Zope2
CIA-94hannosch 2.12 * r114864 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg Bump version12:32
CIA-94hannosch * r114865 zope2docs/releases: New release12:32
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CIA-94baijum * r114866 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/event.rst: Expanded IObjectEvent13:03
planetzopebotZope2 2.12.10 (PyPI recent updates)
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CIA-94baijum * r114867 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/event.rst: Added Import location13:32
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planetzopebotniteoweb.clickbank 0.4 (PyPI recent updates)
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CIA-94baijum * r114868 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/images/gettingstarted1.png: the project template has changed14:30
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planetzopebotAggregate zope munin graphs (RedTurtle Technology)
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CIA-94regebro * r114869 /zc.buildout/branches/regebro-python3: Yet another Python 3 attempt.15:42
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sreehi all, who is the release manager for zope2 now?16:32
sreeany idea?16:32
woscsree: Hanno Schlichting, AFAIK16:33
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sreewosc: thanks16:33
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CIA-94baijum * r114870 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/manual/zpt.rst: rst fixes17:09
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* Theuni1 takes a chair17:58
dataflakehi Theuni117:58
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Theuni1ding ding ding18:00
Theuni1Here's today's agenda:
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dataflakehi adam18:01
Theuni1So, who was at the last bug day?18:02
* LeoRochael wasn't18:02
Theuni1Unfortunately I wasn't :/18:02
Theuni1My day over-ran me with other busy work that I couldn't get away with.18:02
dataflakeI was18:02
Theuni1yay! :)18:02
dataflakeI worked on Zope2 bugs. Fixed 5 and worked on 4 others.18:02
dataflakeTres was doing some testrunner work I think18:03
Theuni1yeah, i remember him aking a question about that at some point18:04
dataflakehe worked on
_mup_Bug #605455: Test failure under Python 2.7 <zope.testing:New> <>18:05
CIA-94benji * r114871 zope.testrunner/CHANGES.txt: update change notes18:05
CIA-94benji * r114872 /zope.testrunner/tags/4.0.0b5: tag 4.0.0b518:05
CIA-94benji 4.0.0b5 * r114873 zope.testrunner/ ( CHANGES.txt): set version and release date on tag18:05
Theuni1dataflake: is there anything about the bug day itself you find worthwhile to note?18:06
dataflakethe number of participants is dropping it seems18:06
dataflakeOnly Tres and I sent report emails that evening18:07
agroszerwell it's holiday season18:07
dataflakeagroszer: still, that seems a low turnout18:07
Theuni1dataflake: yeah, we had a somewhat hard time with the scheduling18:08
* Theuni1 goes to his doodle18:08
dataflakeI still like them because it encourages a habit of freeing up a specific day to work on just those bugs18:08
Theuni1and that allows for much more throughput18:08
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Theuni1in the end we had only 4 people respond on that day with "yes"18:09
Theuni1not sure whether charlie did anything although he wanted to be there18:09
dataflakeI noted straight away that the Wiki page and that table in particular are crap to deal with18:09
Theuni1i think he also said he couldn't make it18:09
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Theuni1dataflake: yeah, i'm not too sure about the purpose/usefulness of that thing either18:09
Theuni1i'm even not sure about the wiki page ;)18:10
dataflakeTheuni1: Just choose simpler formatting without a table. a simple list is enough.18:10
Theuni1so, anything special for next time?18:11
Theuni1otherwise i'll just start a doodle18:11
dataflakeThere's nothing we can easily improve, so go ahead18:11
Theuni1how about the week of august 16-20?18:11
dataflakefine by me18:12
Theuni1anybody else?18:12
Theuni1i guess everyone is at EP right now :)18:12
agroszerI don't mind18:12
Theuni1ok, doodle is out18:13
Theuni1so, next topic18:13
dataflakecool, thanks18:14
Theuni1We have had the languishing bug reports for a while and I'd like those to get from our tables at some point. So, how about some bug triage while we're herE?18:14
Theuni1I added links to the various reports in the agenda (see link above).18:14
dataflakeFor zope2 that's not yet needed, Hanno has been doing triage and I'm still working on stuff that can be fixed. We're not at a point where we can identify truly languishing stff that no one wants to deal with.18:15
Theuni1dataflake: it's not only about kicking those out18:15
Theuni1the languishing ones are those that are new and nobody responded to them18:15
dataflakeOK, well, we don't have any according to Hanno, he triaged all "New" status bugs.18:16
Theuni1it's an indicator for us that we should answer those people who reported them and give them the knowledge that people reviewed the report and either said "its not a bug" or "yeah, we'll deal with that"18:16
Theuni1oh, cool18:16
dataflakeHe finished that today18:16
Theuni1There's some in the other categories then ... :)18:16
dataflakeI have a question18:16
Theuni1yes, please ;)18:17
dataflakeIs there any page that lists all Launchpad trackers for Zope packages?18:17
Theuni1depends on the definition of a zope package ... :/18:17
dataflakeI have a feling there may be trackers for former Zope 2 packages that exist but there's no way to fnd them18:17
dataflakeAt least for ZTK there's a main project page that lists all sub-projects18:18
Theuni1you might want to take a look at the ztk-steering-group page18:18
CIA-94benji * r114874 zope.testrunner/CHANGES.txt: add release date18:18
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dataflakeThat one doesn't obviously link to any Zope 2-only package18:19
dataflakeI'll ask Hanno directly18:19
Theuni1unfortunately not18:19
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Theuni1here's a question from me: did we decide how to deal with minimum dependencies in packages?18:19
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Theuni1did we want to encode them in
Theuni1or did we want to completely rely on buildout-based package version restrictions?18:20
dataflakeIf you mean if it was discussed here in one of these meetings then I don't know. It has not been discussed those times I have been here.18:20
Theuni1hmm. i can see having >= specifications in them18:20
Theuni1dataflake: no, discussed/decided in genreal18:20
LeoRochaelI don't remember any specific decision either, nor that we wanted to make a decision on that18:21
dataflakeI personally put "minimum" requirements in, as ">=" requirements, but that's just me personally18:21
Theuni1dataflake: and i think that's the correct thing to do, too18:21
dataflakeIf the package breaks with an outdated dependency then is a good place to tell people about it18:21
dataflakeI would never use "==" or "<=" in, though18:22
dataflakeI believe that's where that discussion started?18:22
dataflakeIt's been a while18:23
Theuni1it's like: you have a general dependency that works with any version, then you don't set a version at all18:23
Theuni1and once you depend on a feature that's only available at a certain point you add taht18:23
* Theuni1 triaged a bug. hooray.18:24
dataflaketriaged a bug and entertained us at the same time18:24
dataflakenice going18:24
* Theuni1 dances and sings18:24
Theuni1and another triage ...18:27
Theuni1this is slow going :)18:27
dataflakehey, you're supposed to lead a meeting :-P18:27
Theuni1the meeting suggestion was to triage bugs together ... :)18:28
agroszertime's almost up18:28
Theuni1I wasn't clear about that, I guess, was I?18:28
dataflakeno, not really :-)18:28
Theuni1good job18:28
dataflakebut that's ok18:28
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dataflaketime's up, as adam noticed ;-)18:29
Theuni1i'll try this again at some point18:29
dataflakeThanks for doing the meeting.18:29
Theuni1thanks for the attention ... d'oh! :/18:29
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CIA-94janjaapdriessen * r114875 z3c.recipe.usercrontab/ (buildout.cfg add zope.testing as test dependency. pin versions18:38
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Theuni1went through all zopeapp languishing bugs18:42
Theuni1enough for today :)18:42
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CIA-94janjaapdriessen * r114876 martian/ (buildout.cfg add zope.testing as testing dependency.19:18
CIA-94janjaapdriessen 0.11 * r114877 martian/ (buildout.cfg copy zope.testing dependency from trunk (r114876) to 0.11 maintenance branch19:18
CIA-94regebro regebro-python3 * r114878 zc.buildout/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Almost boostraps for development. (Need to release zope.testing 4.0 for Python 3 next).19:18
CIA-94fretin * r114879 hurry.zoperesource/ (6 files in 3 dirs):19:18
CIA-94Drop the dependency, use instead.19:18
CIA-94Pep8 cleanup19:18
CIA-94janjaapdriessen * r114880 z3c.recipe.usercrontab/buildout.cfg: use the ztk19:18
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planetzopebotzope.testrunner 4.0.0b5 (PyPI recent updates)
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