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| planetzopebot | Zope 2 Instance 1.0 Released! (gmane.comp.web.zope.announce) http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.announce/1486 | 01:04 |
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| danielkie | does i18nextract.py only work with python2.3? | 10:11 |
| danielkie | sry: hello channel :D | 10:11 |
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| astoon | does anyone know. where host source code lovely.memcached or where to send patches? | 13:41 |
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| d2m | astoon: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/lovely.memcached, source is at svn.zope.org | 13:46 |
| astoon | d2m: unfortunately, there isn't lovely.memcached on svn.zope.org | 13:47 |
| d2m | astoon: oh, i see | 13:47 |
| astoon | because of Lovely copyright | 13:47 |
| d2m | you best ask the people at lovelysystems | 13:47 |
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| CIA-94 | use templates to avoid macro issues | 15:37 |
| CIA-94 | while introducing skin created from scratch | 15:37 |
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| hannosch | j-w, ccomb: ping? | 17:00 |
| j-w | hi hannosch ccomb | 17:00 |
| j-w | me there | 17:01 |
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| ccomb | here | 17:01 |
| hannosch | j-w: yeah, welcome back from vacation, hope you had a great time :) | 17:01 |
| ccomb | sure :) | 17:01 |
| j-w | yes I did, thanks | 17:01 |
| j-w | hardly touched my laptop | 17:01 |
| j-w | so lots of catching up | 17:02 |
| j-w | anyway | 17:02 |
| hannosch | shall we go over the last meeting notes? | 17:02 |
| j-w | yes | 17:02 |
| hannosch | I think that + deprecation stuff is high on the list | 17:03 |
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| j-w | i'll try to make less typos in today's minutes ;) | 17:03 |
| ccomb | 20100630? | 17:03 |
| j-w | 0706 | 17:03 |
| hannosch | 20100706 | 17:03 |
| ccomb | ok | 17:03 |
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| j-w | yes deprecation is high on the list | 17:03 |
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| j-w | however | 17:04 |
| j-w | ccomb: one of the tasks was testing BB against the ztk | 17:04 |
| j-w | did you have time to do that? | 17:04 |
| hannosch | I think that's done and successfully tested | 17:04 |
| ccomb | I've successfully integrated the ztk into BB | 17:04 |
| j-w | cool | 17:04 |
| ccomb | It's in 1.0b3 | 17:04 |
| hannosch | ccomb: is there any news on a BB 1.0 release date? | 17:05 |
| j-w | ok, missed that, nice | 17:05 |
| ccomb | but forgot the versions=versions :P | 17:05 |
| ccomb | no date yet, we're waiting for the ztk | 17:05 |
| hannosch | ok. so ZTK 1.0 is blocking BB 1.0 now | 17:05 |
| ccomb | probably a 1.0b4 soon | 17:05 |
| ccomb | blocking not really, it's just a decision | 17:06 |
| j-w | the checkversions script was done too, right? | 17:06 |
| ccomb | we could release with a preversion of the ztk | 17:06 |
| ccomb | checkversions, I suppose | 17:06 |
| ccomb | I've added 2 options | 17:06 |
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| ccomb | I'm using it in http://buildbot.afpy.org/discover-ztk1.0/waterfall | 17:06 |
| hannosch | yes, I think that's done. we have the prefer-final thing now | 17:06 |
| ccomb | yes | 17:06 |
| j-w | ok, another task done | 17:07 |
| j-w | nice | 17:07 |
| ccomb | if we want to upgrade the ZTK, this buildbot directly gives the latest working list | 17:07 |
| ccomb | and generates a blacklist | 17:07 |
| j-w | ok | 17:07 |
| hannosch | ccomb: can you add a remark about this to the release-procedures.rst file? | 17:07 |
| ccomb | ok | 17:08 |
| * hannosch will forget that url quickly | 17:08 | |
| j-w | another task was adding the windows slaves to the buildslaves overview | 17:08 |
| j-w | also done? | 17:08 |
| hannosch | that's done | 17:08 |
| hannosch | Adam did that himself | 17:08 |
| j-w | ok, the deprecation task is left then :-) | 17:09 |
| hannosch | :) | 17:09 |
| hannosch | I think we were basically in agreement for all the zope.app packages | 17:10 |
| j-w | we had some email exchange about this topic | 17:10 |
| hannosch | there were some zope.* packages which we need to review one by one | 17:10 |
| j-w | except for a view zope.app.* packages right | 17:10 |
| j-w | not view, few | 17:10 |
| j-w | zope.app.wsgi and zope.app.appsetup | 17:11 |
| hannosch | ok. the baseline is still http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releaseteam/package-usage.html right | 17:11 |
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| hannosch | j-w: do you have a good overview, for me it's all lost in long mail threads :) | 17:12 |
| j-w | let's start by deprecating unused zope.app packages | 17:12 |
| j-w | I think that's what we agreed on already I guess | 17:12 |
| j-w | (I got a bit lost too) | 17:13 |
| hannosch | ok. so anything in that list of mine without any "x" gets deprecated | 17:13 |
| hannosch | Plone doesn't count there (zope.app.cache) | 17:13 |
| j-w | yes, let's do that | 17:13 |
| ccomb | has this list been updated with recent mail discussion? | 17:14 |
| hannosch | ccomb: no | 17:14 |
| j-w | no | 17:14 |
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| j-w | there was not much to be updated according to out mail conversation | 17:15 |
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| CIA-94 | baijum * r115736 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/tutorial3.rst: change section order | 17:15 |
| CIA-94 | ctheune * r115737 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/ (zope-dev-20100817.rst index.rst): agenda for today | 17:15 |
| CIA-94 | ctheune * r115738 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100817.rst: expand agenda a bit | 17:15 |
| hannosch | I'd be fine with just deprecating all those zope.app packages + zope.documenttemplate - all others could stay from my point of view | 17:15 |
| j-w | ok | 17:16 |
| j-w | so zope.catalog (and its deps) can stay even if only grok officially uses them? | 17:16 |
| hannosch | yep. they are used by many more people | 17:16 |
| j-w | (accroding to the package usage list that is) | 17:17 |
| j-w | agreed | 17:17 |
| j-w | I like this better than having to maintain that as part of the grok toolkit | 17:17 |
| hannosch | I care a lot more about removing all zope.app. packages at some point | 17:17 |
| j-w | I'm not sure how to move zope.app.wsgi and zope.app.appsetup forward in this regard | 17:18 |
| j-w | just rename them to zope.wsgi and zope.appsetup? | 17:18 |
| hannosch | right. that needs some good chunk of work | 17:18 |
| j-w | that probably something for a wider discussion | 17:18 |
| hannosch | I think zope.wsgi makes sense. I'm not sure what appsetup really contains. specific app config sounds like something for the grok package | 17:19 |
| j-w | ow, wait, there's another package that I commented on in the mails: zope.server | 17:19 |
| hannosch | helpers for app config would make sense in zope.appsetup | 17:19 |
| j-w | zope.server is not used by the consuming frmaeworks | 17:19 |
| hannosch | ah right. zope.server is kinda weird | 17:19 |
| j-w | :-) | 17:20 |
| hannosch | it used to be the only option until wsgi came around | 17:20 |
| hannosch | I think it's not used by many people anymore. probably worth discouraging at some point | 17:20 |
| ccomb | tell me if I'm wrong but it seems the only option to serve via ftp | 17:20 |
| hannosch | ccomb: you are right | 17:20 |
| hannosch | direct ftp access to Zope is a bit of a stone-age feature. today it's all about REST | 17:21 |
| ccomb | k | 17:21 |
| hannosch | I think we could let it stay in for ZTK 1.0 and look again in 1.1 | 17:21 |
| j-w | ok | 17:21 |
| hannosch | see how many commits it got, and such | 17:22 |
| j-w | ok, noted | 17:22 |
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| hannosch | I'd volunteer to make the changes to the config :) | 17:24 |
| j-w | ok, so we introduce a deprecated and a deprecated-versions.cfg? | 17:24 |
| j-w | ak, ok, is that what you wanted to do? | 17:24 |
| j-w | can we then update the package usage list afterwards? | 17:24 |
| hannosch | we have the deprecating = lines | 17:25 |
| hannosch | both in ztk.cfg and zopeapp.cfg | 17:25 |
| j-w | ah, sure, yes | 17:25 |
| j-w | forgot about that | 17:25 |
| hannosch | I'd just move all those packages from the included = to that line | 17:25 |
| hannosch | the versions.cfgs won't change at all | 17:25 |
| j-w | ok | 17:26 |
| hannosch | once we start on 1.1, we remove all of them | 17:26 |
| j-w | ok | 17:26 |
| j-w | roadmap? | 17:26 |
| hannosch | I can do the deprecating move, we update everything to latest bug fix releases and make a new alpha | 17:27 |
| j-w | anything missing besides the depraction for a beta release? | 17:27 |
| hannosch | that could happen this week | 17:27 |
| hannosch | then we have test failures on Windows | 17:27 |
| hannosch | we need to decide if that's a blocker for a beta | 17:27 |
| j-w | hannosch: if you want to, we could do it "together" so that more people could make releases | 17:27 |
| hannosch | j-w: sure. you have a download.zope.org account? | 17:27 |
| j-w | nope | 17:28 |
| hannosch | ok, mail Jens Vagelpohl with your ssh key | 17:28 |
| j-w | is that Jens I should ask? | 17:28 |
| j-w | ok | 17:28 |
| j-w | shall we do that monday, the new alpha release? | 17:30 |
| j-w | I see you're busy the rest of this week | 17:30 |
| hannosch | we can do that | 17:30 |
| j-w | for example at 16:00 (CEST)? | 17:30 |
| hannosch | I'm moving out of my apartment next Friday, moving into a new one in Germany on August 29 ... :) | 17:30 |
| hannosch | so start of next week still works | 17:31 |
| j-w | ok | 17:31 |
| hannosch | yep. no events on Monday | 17:31 |
| hannosch | 16:00 Monday it is | 17:31 |
| j-w | (and you'll live out on the streets between friday and the 29th? :) ) | 17:31 |
| hannosch | on airplanes and in hotels | 17:32 |
| j-w | about windows test failures | 17:33 |
| j-w | I would hope to get that fixed before the beta | 17:33 |
| j-w | but I do not yet know what the failures are... | 17:33 |
| j-w | I'll look them up in the test reports | 17:33 |
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| hannosch | I think it's typical files not being closed stuff | 17:34 |
| hannosch | if you don't close files explicitly on Windows and rely on garbage collection to do that for you, then you always get into trouble | 17:34 |
| j-w | ok | 17:34 |
| j-w | so, that sounds fixable, right? | 17:35 |
| hannosch | yep. it's just tedious most of the time | 17:35 |
| hannosch | and hard to find without a Windows box | 17:35 |
| j-w | ok, i'll review the ztk test failures on windows and see if I can do something about it | 17:37 |
| hannosch | cool. maybe a "shame mail" to zope-dev could also help | 17:37 |
| j-w | right | 17:37 |
| hannosch | if we have a list of concrete failures people might be more interested to help | 17:37 |
| hannosch | and if we can say: this is the last blocker for a ZTK release, maybe someone else is willing to help | 17:38 |
| hannosch | I wouldn't bet on it, but it's worth a try | 17:38 |
| j-w | yes | 17:38 |
| j-w | we'l try that route | 17:38 |
| j-w | anything left? | 17:38 |
| hannosch | I think tasks are done, next meeting time is left | 17:39 |
| hannosch | ccomb: any other comments? | 17:39 |
| ccomb | nothing more | 17:39 |
| j-w | next week, same time? | 17:39 |
| ccomb | (sorry I was having 2 meeting at once) | 17:39 |
| ccomb | next week.... | 17:40 |
| ccomb | seems ok for me | 17:40 |
| hannosch | next week same time would work for me | 17:40 |
| ccomb | ok alarm set | 17:40 |
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| j-w | ok, that's set! | 17:41 |
| j-w | thanks guys! | 17:41 |
| hannosch | cool, thanks | 17:41 |
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| Theuni1 | heh | 17:59 |
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| * Theuni1 cleans up the crumbs left from hannosch | 17:59 | |
| Theuni1 | Wow, we do have an updated docs.zope.org for once | 18:00 |
| Theuni1 | http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100817.html | 18:00 |
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| Theuni1 | anybody else around? :) | 18:01 |
| benji | Theuni1: I'm here but not paying much attention. | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | benji: :) | 18:02 |
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| planetzopebot | Tools for a successful Plone project (Martin Aspeli) http://www.martinaspeli.net/articles/tools-for-a-successful-plone-project | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | hmm. | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | i might have send the reminder way too late today :) | 18:04 |
| j-w | Theuni1: I see one of the weekly meeting "ongoing issues" is the ztk release | 18:04 |
| j-w | Theuni1: I could try to fill you in on that | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | j-w: yeah, in the sense that i think a status update for the rest of us would be nice :) | 18:05 |
| j-w | right, sent to the ml irght | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | Currently that would be the best idea i guess. Make it *really* short to get it read ;) | 18:06 |
| j-w | me or hanno can do that - we're aiming for a next alpha release monday next week | 18:06 |
| j-w | :-) | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | cool | 18:06 |
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| j-w | Theuni1: how's the copyright-rewrite going? | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | stuck right now | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | too little time from my part to do anything, really | 18:07 |
| j-w | right | 18:07 |
| j-w | quite some packages were done I see, but still lots to cover | 18:08 |
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| Theuni1 | yup | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | the plan is to include the names of people who worked on packages before on the list | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | that way people can search their own name for packages they care for | 18:09 |
| j-w | ok | 18:09 |
| Theuni1 | after that we're aiming to retire packages nobody is interested int | 18:09 |
| j-w | i see | 18:09 |
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| j-w | i'll try to do some more copyright-rewrites again in the coming period | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | cool :) | 18:10 |
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| sawdog | Curious, Zope 2.12 docs on docs.zope.org indicate 2.12 is fully eggified and can be found at http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Zope2 — but all that's there is 2.13 alpha…..this intentional? | 20:36 |
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| CIA-94 | baijum * r115742 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/manual/i18nl10n.rst: taken from Justin's copy | 20:58 |
| CIA-94 | hannosch * r115743 zopetoolkit/ (zopeapp.cfg ztk-versions.cfg zopeapp-versions.cfg ztk.cfg): Deprecate packages according to release team decision, based on data from http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releaseteam/package-usage.html | 20:58 |
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| CIA-94 | hannosch * r115746 zopetoolkit/ (ztk-versions.cfg zopeapp-versions.cfg): Update versions as suggested by the upgrade version buildbot | 21:19 |
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| The_Slip | Good day guys, i'm having a little problem with my version of zope 2.10.9 | 21:32 |
| The_Slip | Im trying to install Km-Key and it needs a zope server | 21:32 |
| The_Slip | So the problem is: | 21:33 |
| The_Slip | when i try to import a kmkey.zexp file with zope | 21:33 |
| The_Slip | im receiving this error: | 21:34 |
| The_Slip | Error Type: ImportError | 21:34 |
| The_Slip | Error Value: cannot import name PortalGenerator | 21:34 |
| The_Slip | Y did my own search on google with no success | 21:34 |
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| The_Slip | trying to find a python module idunno | 21:35 |
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| The_Slip | logfile: http://debian.pastebin.com/1EcfKVr3 | 21:36 |
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| RichardBarrell | The_Slip: is this an open-source thing? I can't read Spanish. :) | 21:41 |
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| RichardBarrell | The_Slip: do you have Plone installed? It appears that PortalGenerator is part of Plone. | 21:42 |
| The_Slip | RichardBarrell, Wat? yes, it is open-spurce | 21:42 |
| The_Slip | RichardBarrell, uh Plone? i think i don't need plone | 21:43 |
| The_Slip | RichardBarrell, Well i really dont know, the requeriments of Km-key didnt make mention of Plone | 21:44 |
| * MatthewWilkes has never heard of anything called PortalGenerator in Plone | 21:44 | |
| RichardBarrell | MatthewWilkes: me either, but if you google "PoralGenerator Plone 2.0" you'll find mentions of it in various places. | 21:45 |
| RichardBarrell | *PortalGenerator | 21:45 |
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| RichardBarrell | MatthewWilkes: sounds like it might be one of those things that the Plone community in general do their best to forget. ;) | 21:46 |
| davisagli | MatthewWilkes: I think it's how a new site used to get created before GenericSetup | 21:46 |
| RichardBarrell | Good to see you around again, Matt. | 21:46 |
| The_Slip | i found some Products.CMFDefault.Portal.PortalGenerator | 21:46 |
| davisagli | The_Slip: in general, you can only import a ZEXP if you have exactly the same versions of exactly the same packages installed as on the Zope instance where the export was made | 21:46 |
| The_Slip | uh i get it | 21:47 |
| RichardBarrell | davisagli: I've gotten surprisingly lucky from time to time. ;) | 21:47 |
| The_Slip | When i was trying to import the file | 21:47 |
| The_Slip | First was error with GenericSetup | 21:48 |
| The_Slip | Then was CMFDefault | 21:48 |
| The_Slip | And now this | 21:48 |
| The_Slip | I solved the others, installing the Product. package from python's repo | 21:48 |
| The_Slip | but i cant find anything about PortalGenerator in python's repo | 21:49 |
| davisagli | RichardBarrell: sure, if the underlying classes haven't changed too much then it might work. but you can't count on it. | 21:52 |
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| RichardBarrell | The_Slip: it appears that PortalGenerator may be a really old bit of Plone. Try that. | 21:55 |
| The_Slip | RichardBarrell, Kthx, i'll try it | 21:56 |
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| RichardBarrell | davisagli: I'm reminded of the time that I found an old (OLD) Zope site that I needed to migrate, which had objects that were subclasses of BTreeFolder in it. That's BTreeFolder, not BTreeFolder2. :) | 21:57 |
| MatthewWilkes | RichardBarrell: How's life on the Plone side of Team Rubber? | 21:57 |
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| RichardBarrell | MatthewWilkes: it's a good thing we don't have a swear-box in here, because I'd go bankrupt every time I touched it. I'm sure the NSPCC would appreciate the donations, though. ;) | 21:58 |
| RichardBarrell | MatthewWilkes: I'm actually still doing a surprising amount of TTW. | 22:00 |
| MatthewWilkes | That is nothing to boast about. | 22:01 |
| davisagli | RichardBarrell: remind me never to do maintenance on one of those sites then :) | 22:01 |
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| RichardBarrell | It's not quite as painful as it sounds. I have an egg kicking around that will either recursively explore a Zope folder looking for PythonScripts and PageTempaltes, and write them to disk, or recursively explore a bit of filesystem looking for .py and .pt files and put them into the ZODB. I've been using it as a crutch to keep things in subversion. | 22:03 |
| * MatthewWilkes makes a note to hit RichardBarrell in Bristol | 22:04 | |
| davisagli | RichardBarrell: that was easier than learning to write things as browser views? | 22:04 |
| RichardBarrell | Did I accidentally make the world a worse place again? | 22:04 |
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| RichardBarrell | davisagli: I use Five pretty heavily for most other sites, but we have one product which, while relatively simple, gets such hairpin per-client customisations that it's easier to effectively fork it for every single client by manage_copyObject'ing Folders. | 22:07 |
| MatthewWilkes | davisagli: I met RichardBarrell while working as a teaching assistant on a C programming course. He was classifying characters as uppercase, lowercase or numeric using an array of function pointers | 22:09 |
| MatthewWilkes | He does not go the easy way. Ever. | 22:09 |
| davisagli | hehe | 22:09 |
| RichardBarrell | MatthewWilkes: hey, I had *just* read that chapter and it sounded funny. :) | 22:12 |
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