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| bhagat | http://python.pastebin.com/phfm3zmz why the Script(Python) fails all the time ? | 09:42 |
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| betabug | bhagat: you check for folders in container, but you create your folder in "base" | 09:49 |
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| betabug | so you always fail on the 2nd round in the loop | 09:50 |
| bhagat | can I use a break in the loop? | 09:52 |
| betabug | what for? just check for the same place | 09:52 |
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| CIA-7 | icemac * r116209 z3c.recipe.paster/ (5 files in 2 dirs): | 10:17 |
| CIA-7 | - Fixed tests to run with current package versions and ``distribute``. | 10:17 |
| CIA-7 | - Using python's ``doctest`` module instead of deprecated ``zope.testing.doctest``. | 10:17 |
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| jham | is it possible to put a whole python package into the Extensions directory and call it as an external method? How would one add it as external method in ZMI if it's not a flat directory hierarchy in Extensions dir anymore? | 13:34 |
| betabug | jham: put it into the "Products" directory and call it a "Product" | 13:35 |
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| betabug | and then you get several methods to add it to the ZODB/ZMI | 13:35 |
| jham | betabug: will check out how to make it a product. thank you for the hint. | 13:36 |
| betabug | no problem | 13:36 |
| betabug | there are some links on wiki.zope.org/zope2/ZopeStarter | 13:37 |
| jham | nice, will read | 13:37 |
| jham | betaboring looks good as an example | 13:42 |
| betabug | thanx :-) | 13:42 |
| jham | no, thank you :P | 13:42 |
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| jham | hmm, betabug, if i'd use a product instead of exernal method, wouldn't it restrict writing data to disk? | 13:57 |
| betabug | no | 13:57 |
| betabug | in a product you can do whatever you want | 13:57 |
| jham | okay, just to be sure, thank you. | 13:58 |
| betabug | you're running as the user who runs the zope process, that's all | 13:58 |
| betabug | no problem :-) | 13:58 |
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| CIA-7 | malthe * r116210 z3c.jbot/z3c/jbot/tests/test_doctests.py: Use full import. | 15:19 |
| CIA-7 | malthe * r116211 z3c.jbot/ (CHANGES.txt z3c/jbot/patches.py): Fixed an issue where certain Five templates would not be jbotted under Chameleon. | 15:19 |
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| CIA-7 | charlie_x * r116212 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100831.rst: Minutes of meeting from 31st August 2010 | 16:07 |
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| CIA-7 | malthe * r116213 z3c.jbot/CHANGES.txt: Preparing release. | 16:46 |
| CIA-7 | malthe * r116214 /z3c.jbot/tags/0.6.3: Tagging release. | 16:46 |
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| j-w | hi hannosch ccomb | 16:54 |
| hannosch | hi | 16:55 |
| ccomb | hi | 16:55 |
| hannosch | shall we get started early? | 16:55 |
| j-w | fine | 16:55 |
| ccomb | ok | 16:55 |
| j-w | first my apologies for no minutes of last meeting | 16:55 |
| hannosch | it sounded like you've been busy :) | 16:56 |
| j-w | I still need to do them - I lost my notes due to a stupid error on my part | 16:56 |
| j-w | I want to do them by reviewing the IRC logs | 16:56 |
| j-w | yes I have | 16:56 |
| hannosch | ok. no worries | 16:57 |
| j-w | anyway | 16:57 |
| * hannosch remembers that both of you had some task and I had none :) | 16:57 | |
| j-w | i was about to look into the windows failures | 16:57 |
| hannosch | well, I did manage to move to Berlin and settle in successfully :) | 16:57 |
| j-w | ccomb you remeber your task? | 16:57 |
| fdrake | hannosch: Without minutes, it can't be proven, so they are blameless. :-) | 16:58 |
| j-w | that sounds like enough things to do already :) | 16:58 |
| ccomb | not really it was related to buildbots, but I didn't progress | 16:58 |
| j-w | ok | 16:58 |
| j-w | fdrake: we still have the irc logs ;) | 16:58 |
| hannosch | ok. so we have test failures as the only topic? | 16:58 |
| ccomb | actually yes | 16:59 |
| j-w | I thought there were many windows-related failures | 16:59 |
| j-w | but I was looking at the ztk-dev builders then | 16:59 |
| j-w | the ztk-1.0 builds seems quite ok, except for python-2.4.4 | 16:59 |
| j-w | so, we need to try to fix that | 17:00 |
| j-w | and then we can do a release ;) | 17:00 |
| hannosch | cool | 17:00 |
| j-w | did you guys get any feedback after last release? | 17:00 |
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| hannosch | nope. I just updated Zope2 trunk and things work | 17:01 |
| ccomb | no negative feedback | 17:01 |
| j-w | same here | 17:01 |
| ccomb | we're in alpha but it looks like an rc | 17:01 |
| ccomb | we should jump from a2 to rc1 :) | 17:02 |
| hannosch | once the tests pass, sure | 17:02 |
| ccomb | I suppose there should be additional effor to do on the doc | 17:02 |
| j-w | ok | 17:02 |
| hannosch | so how do we go forward with those tests? post a summary to zope-dev and ask for help on specific things? | 17:03 |
| hannosch | like zope.testing fails on Python 2.4? (if that's the case). more people might be willing to tackle a specific issue | 17:03 |
| ccomb | maybe yes | 17:04 |
| fdrake | j-w: Reading the logs is cheating. :-) | 17:04 |
| ccomb | a mail with a clear list of failures | 17:04 |
| j-w | hannosch: agreed, let's do that | 17:04 |
| ccomb | are all the packages well documented and is their doc clearly accessible? | 17:04 |
| hannosch | ccomb: most definitely not :) | 17:05 |
| hannosch | but if we'd wait for that, we'd never release anything | 17:05 |
| ccomb | looks like it should be the next effort, then | 17:05 |
| j-w | hannosch: ccomb not so sure if the releaseteam should write the docs... | 17:05 |
| ccomb | maybe not write the doc, but inspect their status | 17:06 |
| j-w | trying to get whatever docs there are easily accessible might be | 17:06 |
| hannosch | I think the docs issue is better handled in the general zope irc meetings by the community. it's not really bound to a ZTK release | 17:06 |
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| j-w | maybe a topic for the summit even...? | 17:06 |
| ccomb | imo, releasing the ztk means we should handle the doc status as well | 17:07 |
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| j-w | ccomb you think we should do that before 1.0? | 17:08 |
| ccomb | definitely yes | 17:08 |
| j-w | ok, how can we start on that | 17:08 |
| ccomb | otherwise we'll get some negative feedback | 17:08 |
| fdrake | The ztk project might be responsible for providing links to individual sets of docs for referenced projects, but not for writing or providing the individual package docs. | 17:08 |
| fdrake | If there are ztk-specific docs, that would make sense. | 17:08 |
| fdrake | (For the ztk project to be responsible for writing & maintaining...) | 17:09 |
| hannosch | we have http://docs.zope.org/ztkpackages.html and http://docs.zope.org/ztkapppackages.html | 17:09 |
| hannosch | we could look at what packages don't have any docs at all there | 17:09 |
| hannosch | but I'm not keen on looking at the quality of the docs for each package | 17:09 |
| fdrake | Those look reasonable to me. | 17:09 |
| ccomb | ok that looks good | 17:10 |
| j-w | I tihnk we have the accessible part covered actually | 17:10 |
| fdrake | Doc quality may be a reasonable topic when determining status of a package within the ztk, but otherwise should be the problem for the individual packages; it affects more than just the ztk. | 17:10 |
| j-w | I could imagine rendering a list with no docs, instead of leaving them out | 17:11 |
| j-w | but that's a detail | 17:11 |
| hannosch | I think we have all, as they fall back to the PyPi long description | 17:11 |
| hannosch | every package has at least that | 17:11 |
| j-w | I do not think we should start reconsidering package status based on doc quality for 1.0 at this point | 17:11 |
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| hannosch | some are really useless of course like http://docs.zope.org/zope.sequencesort/index.html | 17:11 |
| fdrake | If the ztk project needs to worry about the doc availability at all, issues can be filed for individual projects. | 17:12 |
| ccomb | another thing to improve : http://download.zope.org/zopetoolkit/ | 17:12 |
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| ccomb | this one was much better : http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/ | 17:13 |
| hannosch | ccomb: sure. that could use some text that points to a page explaining the purpose of the index | 17:13 |
| j-w | download.zope.org is basically just dir listings indeed | 17:13 |
| hannosch | right, but our equivalent is http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releases/overview-1.0a3.html | 17:13 |
| j-w | ccomb: ah, ok, yes that one is much better indeed | 17:13 |
| j-w | can we somehow refer from download.zope.org to the release overview? | 17:14 |
| j-w | or maybe somehow upload the overview to download.zope.org as part of the release procedure | 17:14 |
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| ccomb | j-w: yes | 17:14 |
| hannosch | I wouldn't bother to duplicate the information in two places | 17:14 |
| hannosch | just add a page pointing to the docs | 17:15 |
| j-w | would work for me | 17:15 |
| hannosch | people that arrive at the index should already now what it is - it's not our "landing page" | 17:15 |
| j-w | agreed | 17:15 |
| hannosch | ok. I can volunteer to put some page into http://download.zope.org/zopetoolkit/ | 17:16 |
| hannosch | we can refine it later | 17:16 |
| j-w | I'll continue the windows failures issue | 17:16 |
| ccomb | ok | 17:16 |
| j-w | any more points to cover? | 17:17 |
| hannosch | one thing that would be cool is an aggregated changelog | 17:17 |
| hannosch | the zope 3 kgs release scripts have code for that | 17:17 |
| hannosch | but I don't know that code very well | 17:17 |
| j-w | combining the changelogs of the individual packages? | 17:17 |
| j-w | do you know of an example of that? | 17:18 |
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| hannosch | at least a listing that says: upgraded zope.event from 3.4 to 3.5, zope.foo from 3.6 to 3.6.2 ... | 17:18 |
| j-w | right, ok | 17:18 |
| hannosch | next step is links to the release notes of the packages | 17:18 |
| hannosch | and finally you could merge it all into one list | 17:18 |
| hannosch | but the first step would already help | 17:19 |
| hannosch | right now you have to diff the version.cfg files with the last release | 17:19 |
| hannosch | might be something we can do at the Zope Summit | 17:20 |
| j-w | ok, so we need to write a script for that | 17:20 |
| j-w | is this also something we want before 1.0? | 17:21 |
| hannosch | I'd be fine to do it after 1.0 - just to get it out | 17:21 |
| j-w | ok | 17:21 |
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| j-w | would it work for you guys to aim for a 1.0rc1 just after the summit? | 17:22 |
| hannosch | sure. as soon as the tests pass, I'd be willing to tag a rc1 | 17:22 |
| j-w | ok | 17:22 |
| ccomb | there is a similar script in bb | 17:22 |
| ccomb | http://svn.zope.org/bluebream/trunk/scripts/changes.py?rev=114496&view=markup | 17:23 |
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| ccomb | i've not tried it | 17:23 |
| hannosch | ccomb: cool, that looks basically like what we need | 17:23 |
| ccomb | seems a bit too hardcoded | 17:24 |
| hannosch | sure. we would want to integrate into our Sphinx docs and have it run automatically | 17:25 |
| j-w | should such as script be put in the ztk/doc/scripts dir? | 17:25 |
| j-w | right | 17:25 |
| j-w | ok, quite some things to do still for 1.0 | 17:26 |
| hannosch | ok. anything else we can do or talk about now? | 17:26 |
| j-w | plan the next meeting I guess | 17:27 |
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| hannosch | right. ccomb, you aren't at the Zope Summit or the Zope conference? | 17:27 |
| j-w | next week hannosch and I will be a the summit | 17:28 |
| ccomb | when where ? | 17:28 |
| hannosch | Zope Summit is next Mon/Tue. Conference is the rest of next week | 17:28 |
| hannosch | in Halle at Gocept's office and in Dresden | 17:28 |
| ccomb | I would love to come | 17:29 |
| ccomb | not sure it's possible | 17:29 |
| ccomb | 13th in spain | 17:29 |
| hannosch | conference info is at http://www.zope.de/tagung/Dresden_2010 | 17:29 |
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| ccomb | 14th meeting | 17:29 |
| ccomb | pfff | 17:29 |
| ccomb | but maybe 15th and 16th | 17:30 |
| hannosch | the weekend 18/19 is the after conference sprint | 17:30 |
| ccomb | we already have a sprint in tarek's house | 17:30 |
| hannosch | ah :) | 17:31 |
| ccomb | packaging stuffs... | 17:31 |
| j-w | I'll only be at the summit | 17:31 |
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| hannosch | j-w: ah, ok | 17:31 |
| hannosch | so let's plan the next meeting for Tuesday 21 | 17:32 |
| hannosch | and use mail in the meantime | 17:32 |
| j-w | anyway, can we wrap up? | 17:32 |
| j-w | next meeting in two weeks then? | 17:32 |
| j-w | ok | 17:32 |
| j-w | good | 17:32 |
| hannosch | ok. all good with me. we can officially close this meeting now :) | 17:34 |
| j-w | closed. | 17:34 |
| j-w | :-) | 17:34 |
| j-w | thanks, see you next week in Halle! | 17:34 |
| hannosch | so I have 25 minutes left to eat cookies :) | 17:35 |
| * ccomb 's hand full of chocolate | 17:35 | |
| * Charlie_X coughs | 17:35 | |
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| Charlie_X | hannosch: do you have any idea why plone.recipe.zope2instance would stop playing nicely with Python 2.5? | 17:37 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: you use a 3.x version? the 4.x line is for Zope 2.12 only and requires 2.6 | 17:38 |
| hannosch | Python 2.5 was never supported with any Zope2 version | 17:38 |
| hannosch | but the older version for Zope 2.10 has a good chance of working with 2.5 | 17:39 |
| Charlie_X | I know that but I have a Debian server running 2.5 that I have been happily working with Zope 2.12 on this year. Just today it broke because of the context manage. And I didn't seem to be able to force it to use p.r.zope2instance < 4.0.3 | 17:39 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: hhm. tough luck for running an unsupported Python, I'd say | 17:40 |
| Charlie_X | manually changing the Pythonpath in instance did to p.r.zope2instance=4.0.1, however, work. | 17:40 |
| hannosch | than there's a way to do that in buildout as well | 17:40 |
| hannosch | a versions block with a pin should work | 17:41 |
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| Charlie_X | I tried setting the version in the buildout in the recipe but that didn't seem to have the desired effect. | 17:42 |
| hannosch | just use a [versions] block | 17:42 |
| * Charlie_X grumbles: initd.org down | 17:42 | |
| Charlie_X | ah, I didn't try that. | 17:43 |
| hannosch | plone.recipe.zope2instance = 4.0.1 | 17:43 |
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| * hannosch goes out and buys some new cookies for the zope-dev crew :) | 17:44 | |
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| Charlie_X | hannosch: ta, that solved it. I just hadn't realised that declaring the p.r.zope2instance in the [eggs] block would cause it to get the most recent one | 17:48 |
| hannosch | buildout always gets you the latest by default | 17:48 |
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| hannosch | that's why you always need to pin everything you use | 17:48 |
| Charlie_X | Still, weird that a patch release should break version compatability (yes, I know about the README) | 17:48 |
| hannosch | Python 2.5 was never supported, it just worked by accident | 17:49 |
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| hannosch | there's code in Zope 2 as well as Plone that requires Python 2.6 | 17:49 |
| Charlie_X | I already have one server running "lenny/testing" for Python 2.6 support but this other one is a bit more tricky to move. | 17:49 |
| Charlie_X | Not experienced any problems since March but there is a pretty minimalist CMF site. Will bump the server soon enough. | 17:50 |
| * Charlie_X kicks Debian | 17:50 | |
| hannosch | I just told our hosting provider to install Python 2.6 on Lenny and they figured it out :) | 17:51 |
| Charlie_X | The thing I don't like is they make it difficult to install different versions at once. | 17:53 |
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| * Charlie_X looks around | 18:02 | |
| Charlie_X | Anyone here for the Zope Dev meeting? | 18:02 |
| hannosch | I'd be here if there's an agenda | 18:02 |
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| Charlie_X | There isn't one. Theuni's ill and I didn't get around to posting an invitation. | 18:04 |
| hannosch | hhm. ok. fewer meetings are good :) | 18:04 |
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| do3cc | so we are done? | 18:05 |
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| Charlie_X | do3cc: hi, depends on whether you have anything you wish to talk about. | 18:05 |
| hannosch | we are here to wish Theuni1 to get better, that's all | 18:05 |
| do3cc | yeah me too | 18:06 |
| Charlie_X | The regular timeslot is still a good thing. | 18:06 |
| do3cc | hopefully hes back to good at his own party | 18:06 |
| * Charlie_X realises he's going to be spending a week in the "zone". | 18:06 | |
| do3cc | yeah, thats a topic | 18:06 |
| do3cc | how to survive in the zone | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | Wonder if I can get enough Ost-Marks | 18:07 |
| MatthewWilkes | Charlie_X: The Death Zone? | 18:07 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: they won't let you out again, you know ;) | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: I'm not sure about that. It would mean they'd have to keep listening to my ramblings! | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | MatthewWilkes: it's "old" slang for East Germany. | 18:08 |
| do3cc | cre-160 explains how you can try to get out | 18:08 |
| MatthewWilkes | Charlie_X: Indeed, reminded me of the five doctors Dr Who episode though | 18:08 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc: any news on ZODB and Python 2.7? | 18:08 |
| hannosch | MatthewWilkes: from "the russian zone", when Germany was divided into four zones | 18:08 |
| do3cc | Charlie_X: I am going to add ZODB testrunners during next weekend | 18:09 |
| Charlie_X | MatthewWilkes: ooh, that's going back: Hartnell, Troughton, Pertwee, Baker and Davison? | 18:09 |
| srichter | Charlie_X: I could lend you some east marks :-) | 18:09 |
| do3cc | together with an extension for sphinx to display the latest test results inline | 18:09 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc: great stuff | 18:09 |
| do3cc | praise me after I did it ;-) | 18:09 |
| Charlie_X | srichter: I've still got a shiny (well actually not so shiny) 10 Mark note. How many do I get for that? | 18:10 |
| srichter | Charlie_X: have you recently held some of that money in your hands and wondered how money could ever be that light | 18:10 |
| MatthewWilkes | Charlie_X: Tom Baker wasn't really in it too much, he was just cut in from old episodes | 18:10 |
| Charlie_X | srichter: I've never held it. The first time I came to Germany was after monetary union. | 18:11 |
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| Charlie_X | Who's going to be at the summit next week? | 18:11 |
| * do3cc | 18:11 | |
| * Charlie_X has a pile of US dollars that look just like monopoly money. | 18:11 | |
| srichter | Charlie_X: ah I see | 18:11 |
| Charlie_X | off-topic - has anyone else got problems with initd.org | 18:12 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: the list is here http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/ZopeSummit2010 | 18:12 |
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| do3cc | Charlie_X: didnt you want to ask the mailing list about removal rules for ztk? | 18:13 |
| do3cc | I brought popcorn and stuff, its getting old already | 18:13 |
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| hannosch | we did a first round of deprecation in the ZTK. that will lead to removal in ZTK 1.1 | 18:14 |
| do3cc | hannosch: we were discussing here about general rules, to avoid unmaintained software | 18:15 |
| hannosch | and once BB and Grok start using less of zope.app, we'll deprecate more | 18:15 |
| hannosch | ah | 18:15 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc: did I? Oh yes, I did. I thought I might get away with sticking it in the minutes where nobody would read it. | 18:15 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: I noticed | 18:15 |
| do3cc | Charlie_X: Its ok, I think the summit is better place anyway | 18:15 |
| do3cc | ppl flame less in person | 18:15 |
| Charlie_X | I suggest we have a policy for *inclusion* first and then start gardening. | 18:15 |
| hannosch | do3cc: I'm not aware of anything particular unmaintained inside the ZTK. there's tons of unmaintained stuff in the SVN repo of course | 18:15 |
| do3cc | Heh, Charlie_X you brought up the removal parts last week ;-) | 18:16 |
| hannosch | our current definition is "all packages which are used by at least two of the frameworks" | 18:16 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc it was in the agenda. Talking about removal first is about to be contentious. | 18:16 |
| do3cc | hannosch: that sounds good | 18:16 |
| hannosch | that's pretty clear on both the deprecation and inclusion side | 18:17 |
| do3cc | that might actually be enough for now | 18:17 |
| hannosch | the gray area is what "used" means :) | 18:17 |
| do3cc | its in the kgs | 18:17 |
| Charlie_X | I think it's a bit weak, to be honest. | 18:17 |
| do3cc | Charlie_X: what do you fear? | 18:18 |
| hannosch | it's pretty conservative. you can only get into the ZTK once two other communities have adopted your package | 18:18 |
| hannosch | not much room for "advertising" and such | 18:19 |
| Charlie_X | There is no sense of responsibility or quality. | 18:20 |
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| Charlie_X | Which we touched on and are the bugbears of open source. | 18:20 |
| fdrake | hannosch: Are you suggesting to make it easier to add packages to the ZTK? | 18:20 |
| do3cc | quality can be enforced by different means than forcing exclusion | 18:20 |
| fdrake | Seems unwarranted, really. | 18:20 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc: it is not supposed to be used as a threat. | 18:20 |
| hannosch | fdrake: we might want to include packages that are used by many people but aren't part of the frameworks. z3c.form comes to mind | 18:21 |
| hannosch | I'm not really sure about that myself | 18:21 |
| do3cc | and isn't the quality issue something the frameworks might tackle by themselves? | 18:21 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc: frameworks don't tackle anything on their own. | 18:21 |
| fdrake | hannosch: Ah, perhaps. | 18:21 |
| fdrake | Perhaps "adopted by the communities of at least two frameworks" would be an acceptable formulation. | 18:22 |
| fdrake | That's pretty vague, which is probably desirable. | 18:22 |
| do3cc | Charlie_X: maybe as in activly looking for replacement though | 18:22 |
| do3cc | so if people stop using it, it gets kicked out of the ztk too | 18:23 |
| hannosch | fdrake: right. the release team so far deferred the issue for ZTK 1.1. for 1.0 we stay conservative | 18:23 |
| fdrake | Sounds good. | 18:23 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc: How do you know when people stop using it? | 18:23 |
| do3cc | checking their latest kgs regulary | 18:24 |
| do3cc | Even better, ask them | 18:24 |
| do3cc | you could like, vote | 18:24 |
| Charlie_X | do3cc: I find that all a bit vague. | 18:25 |
| Charlie_X | I think we've collected lots of cruft like that. | 18:25 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: do you have an example of cruft? | 18:25 |
| do3cc | what results do you expect if you kick a package out of ztk that is used by two or more frameworks? | 18:26 |
| Charlie_X | In general? or in the ZTK in particular? | 18:26 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: in the ZTK | 18:26 |
| Charlie_X | Probably not a very good one because I actually use it myself but zope.formlib | 18:28 |
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| Charlie_X | do3cc: I guess, I'm looking at the general principles for inclusion, whether in the ZTK or one of the frameworks. | 18:29 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: that's still used by BB and Grok | 18:29 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: you need to convince them to drop it | 18:29 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: and CMF and it's not bad but it's not getting much love. | 18:29 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: sure. Zope 2 has dropped it, Plone is dropping it soon | 18:30 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: yes, but that's anecdotal. | 18:31 |
| hannosch | Charlie_X: sure. but the rules for inclusion are very different in the three frameworks. not much you can harmonize there | 18:31 |
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| do3cc | I think it all depends, what role ztk has now and wants to have in the future. If you start dropping packages in wide use, the ztk starts putting a bit of pressure onto its consumers | 18:32 |
| hannosch | hhm. 30 minutes of casual talk are over :) | 18:32 |
| Charlie_X | Yes, time to stop talking and pick up your pencils. | 18:33 |
| Charlie_X | ;-) | 18:33 |
| hannosch | do3cc: no. if the ztk starts dropping packages in wide use it becomes irrelevant and will be ignored :) | 18:33 |
| do3cc | so the inclusion exclusion rules makes sense right now | 18:34 |
| Charlie_X | hannosch: I think it might have more to do with the burden of maintenance. | 18:34 |
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| hannosch | the value proposition of the ZTK is already weak. the potential benefit of shared maintenance is not very much in practice | 18:34 |
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| CIA-7 | Bug fixed | 21:49 |
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