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| CIA-7 | - Made tests compatible with Python 2.5 and newer. | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | - Added not declared but necessary dependencies. | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | - Using Python's ``doctest`` module instead of depreacted | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | ``zope.testing.doctest``. | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | - Got rid of even undeclared `zope.app.zapi` dependency. | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | icemac * r117222 z3c.resourcecollector/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Conform to repository policy. | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | icemac * r117223 z3c.resourceinclude/ (bootstrap.py COPYRIGHT.txt LICENSE.txt): Conform to repository policy. | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | icemac * r117224 z3c.responseheaders/ (CHANGES.txt src/z3c/responseheaders/tests.py): | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | - Using Python's ``doctest`` module instead of depreacted | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | ``zope.testing.doctest``. | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | icemac * r117225 z3c.responseheaders/ (COPYRIGHT.txt LICENSE.txt bootstrap.py): Conform to repository policy. | 09:22 |
| CIA-7 | icemac * r117226 z3c.responseheaders/src/z3c/responseheaders/ (z3c.responseheaders-configure.zcml SETUP.cfg): removed ZPKG and ZCML slugs | 09:22 |
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| CIA-7 | - Added not declared test dependencies. | 10:10 |
| CIA-7 | - Updated test set up and fixed tests to run with ZTK 1.0. | 10:10 |
| CIA-7 | - Using Python's ``doctest`` module instead of depreacted | 10:10 |
| CIA-7 | ``zope.testing.doctest``. | 10:10 |
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| CIA-7 | icemac * r117232 z3c.rest/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): - Added undeclared but necessary install dependency on `zope.app.http`. | 10:10 |
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| CIA-7 | janwijbrand * r117240 groktoolkit/grok.cfg: use grokcore.startup bugfix release | 12:05 |
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| xitrium | Does ZODB require the transaction python module? | 12:51 |
| xitrium | (if not how else do you commit...) | 12:51 |
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| toni_ | Hi! | 12:54 |
| xitrium | sup | 12:55 |
| toni_ | I'm trying to look up the Zope2 API documentation, but fail. | 12:55 |
| betabug | xitrium: you mean in standalone ZODB? | 12:55 |
| xitrium | betabug: yessir | 12:55 |
| betabug | toni_: where are you looking | 12:55 |
| toni_ | The "best" thing I could come up with so far, except for digging into the bowels of archive.org, is this http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/APIDocumentation | 12:56 |
| betabug | xitrium: can't help really then, but I guess you need to commit your transactions :-) | 12:56 |
| betabug | toni_: if you have a zope running, go into the ZMI and click on "help" | 12:56 |
| xitrium | Committing would be nice. It's weird to me that ZODB is packaged as a database where... you need another package installed to be able to commit (and it doesn't depend on it)... | 12:56 |
| toni_ | All of the hints there direct me to the "built-in" API docs, which I'd love to use, but in none of my Zope2 installations, I see this "Help" link everyone is writing about. | 12:56 |
| toni_ | Do I need to install some additional product(s)? | 12:57 |
| betabug | toni_: when you see the list of items in the root folder, there it is, in the top right | 12:57 |
| betabug | no, it's right htere | 12:57 |
| betabug | xitrium: I guess it's because originally the zodb was used with zope only | 12:57 |
| xitrium | ah | 12:58 |
| betabug | so when they packaged it up, they might have forgotten some "small stuff" :-) | 12:58 |
| betabug | but I don't really *know* this | 12:58 |
| xitrium | haha | 12:58 |
| betabug | hey, I'm just this dude on IRC! | 12:58 |
| xitrium | haha | 12:58 |
| xitrium | I was just double checking | 12:58 |
| xitrium | since it didn't seem to make a whole lot of sense... I'm fine with installing that package too | 12:58 |
| xitrium | thanks :) | 12:58 |
| betabug | no problem :-) | 12:58 |
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| kosh | betabug: greetings lifeform | 13:10 |
| kosh | betabug: do you know of a good apache rule that will block all .jsp, .php, .asp etc etc so I can keep adding more extensions? | 13:11 |
| betabug | hey kosh | 13:11 |
| betabug | hu? block?? | 13:11 |
| kosh | I was thinking of just returning a 404 or some other code for all of those | 13:12 |
| betabug | you mean when bots try to access stuff? | 13:12 |
| kosh | no reason that stuff should even be handed to the zope server behind it and it ends up with a lot more items in the error log | 13:12 |
| betabug | well, a 403 would be more proper I guess | 13:12 |
| kosh | I was going to worry about what code to return after I got it working right | 13:13 |
| betabug | what I do with some stuff is setting an environment variable (e.g. on user agent) and then I have a Deny rule | 13:15 |
| kosh | some of the stuff presents a legitimate user agent | 13:15 |
| betabug | yes, I just meant it for the plan of action | 13:16 |
| kosh | and since I have no .php, .asp, .jsp etc stuff it seems to just make sense to drop all of them | 13:16 |
| betabug | SetEnvIfNoCase is what to use probably | 13:16 |
| kosh | I was hoping for a regex pattern since then I can move it to nginx also later | 13:17 |
| betabug | SetEnvIfNoCase Request_URI "\.php$" block_bad_bots | 13:17 |
| kosh | and then how do I block based on that? | 13:17 |
| betabug | and then in <Location "/"> you have | 13:17 |
| betabug | Deny from env=block_bad_bots | 13:18 |
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| kosh | where would I have a Location at? | 13:18 |
| kosh | I just have VirtualHosts | 13:18 |
| betabug | in the VirtualHost setup | 13:18 |
| kosh | I don't have a location in any of them | 13:19 |
| betabug | hmmmm, there should be a <Location> thing somewhere | 13:19 |
| betabug | maybe hidden in some sub-file? | 13:19 |
| kosh | hmm darned if I know where it would be, it is certainly not anything I have ever edited | 13:19 |
| betabug | somewhere you should have "Allow" and "Deny" stuff | 13:20 |
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| betabug | even if it is "Allow from all" | 13:20 |
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| kosh | I did a grep -R and I don't see that at all | 13:22 |
| betabug | hmmm, weird | 13:22 |
| betabug | let me check on another machine | 13:22 |
| betabug | got lots of "Allow from" on that machine too | 13:23 |
| betabug | one machine is apache 1.3, one is apache 2 | 13:23 |
| kosh | yeah I have denies and allows but no Location except in a module that is not even enabled | 13:23 |
| toni_ | No. I see: "logged in as admin", "Set Preferences", and "Go". | 13:23 |
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| betabug | well, it might work without Location | 13:23 |
| betabug | it's just where your Denys and Allows are | 13:24 |
| kosh | do I set all of those for each virtual host? | 13:24 |
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| betabug | the setenvifnocase you just need once in the main part of the config | 13:24 |
| betabug | the Denys you need in the VH setups IIRC | 13:24 |
| betabug | but there may be a more general way, dunno | 13:25 |
| toni_ | In the root folder pane (lower right), I see "Add Plone Site", a selection widget to add an object, and "Add". | 13:25 |
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| betabug | toni_: right over the selection widget there is the "Help" link | 13:26 |
| betabug | over the "Add" button | 13:26 |
| toni_ | No. Can I post a screen shot to pastebin, too? | 13:27 |
| betabug | dunno if they take screenshots | 13:27 |
| betabug | there must be a site for those too :-) | 13:27 |
| toni_ | http://imagebin.ca/view/ogg5Xi6.html | 13:31 |
| betabug | sigh | 13:31 |
| betabug | those plone weirdos found yet another way to screw up zope? | 13:31 |
| betabug | toni_: the "help" link would be there where it says "Add Plone Site" | 13:32 |
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| kosh | betabug: there is some kind of way to do it with a RewriteRule pattern [R=403] or something very close to that | 13:33 |
| toni_ | Ok, so I should take this to the "Plone weirdos" and ask them, right? | 13:33 |
| toni_ | No, before they answer, it would be great if you eg. have a link that I can try? Maybe it works and is just not publicized? | 13:34 |
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| kosh | RewriteRule \.(gif|jpg|png)$ - [F,L] ah I found that RewriteRule that should work, what do you think betabug? | 13:35 |
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| toni_ | http://dev.plone.org/plone/changeset/40259 | 13:38 |
| toni_ | For the next release of Zope2, can you please make the "Help" link part of the outer blue, where the "Set Preferences" widget is, and/or part of the objects installed by default? | 13:41 |
| kosh | I don't even know what you are talking about | 13:42 |
| kosh | the only Help! link I see anywhere is inside one of the frames for some objects | 13:43 |
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| kosh | and since they are frames the iterms are not tied to each other | 13:45 |
| betabug | toni_: try http://192.168.2.10:8082/HelpSys?help_url=/z10/Control_Panel/Products/OFSP/Help/ObjectManager_Contents.stx | 13:49 |
| toni_ | Site Error Resource not found Resource: z10 GET | 13:50 |
| toni_ | Stripping the "/z10" yields a similar result. | 13:51 |
| toni_ | Btw, https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/11183 | 13:51 |
| betabug | ups, the /z10 is from me | 13:51 |
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| kosh | bad betabug no cookie! | 13:51 |
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| kosh | hmm I don't have a login to see what the ticket even is | 13:52 |
| betabug | toni_: that link says "Authorization required" here | 13:52 |
| kosh | plone is not something I deal with | 13:52 |
| toni_ | Oh. I'm usually using Plone, but sometimes also other zopish stuff. Anyway, I was unaware that you are required to be registered to see the bug. Sorry for that. | 13:53 |
| toni_ | The bug says that they should put the link back into the zmi. | 13:54 |
| toni_ | How do you use Zope, btw? | 13:54 |
| betabug | can somebody please open a plone ticket "stop continuously making a mess"? | 13:54 |
| kosh | toni_: just lots of custom things for various businesses | 13:55 |
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| kosh | toni_: tracking systems, some more complex real estate systems, large product stuff etc | 13:55 |
| kosh | I don't use plone on anything | 13:56 |
| toni_ | Do you have other instances of this "mess"? I'm not so fluent with pure Zope... | 13:56 |
| betabug | let's see if I can remember the URL... | 13:56 |
| betabug | papakiteliatziar.gr/PloneQuotes | 13:56 |
| betabug | yupp, works | 13:57 |
| toni_ | kosh: Thanks for the idea. I thought that you then might be using Grok or so? | 13:57 |
| kosh | nope I have not used grok | 13:57 |
| kosh | just zope 2 been writing zope 2 apps for about 10 years now | 13:57 |
| betabug | kosh is *way* to long in the game to use something else than plain zope | 13:57 |
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| kosh | mostly I use my own product, exUserFolder and maybe 1 or 2 others | 13:59 |
| kosh | I even modified exUserFolder to share auth data over a zeo session object | 14:00 |
| toni_ | Hmmm... I'm very interested to use something leaner than Plone in several cases, but would like to avoid inventing the wheel in most cases, too. | 14:00 |
| kosh | so that it load balances very nicely | 14:00 |
| kosh | toni_: most of my wheels got invented before plone existed and modifying plone to do a few of the wheel things that mine does would take too long | 14:00 |
| kosh | plone does many things that mine does not also but they are things that I don't do | 14:00 |
| toni_ | This can well be, but I'm rather late in the game, really picking it up only after Plone 3. | 14:01 |
| kosh | I tried to help around plone 1 or less | 14:01 |
| kosh | the people got very upset at very simple suggestions to make things run faster | 14:01 |
| kosh | so I stopped caring about it long long ago | 14:01 |
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| kosh | plone has cleaned up many things since then | 14:03 |
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| toni_ | ok | 14:06 |
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| toni_ | betabug: I was probably too rash. I've just created a plain Zope2 buildout, which pulled Zope 2.12.12 (Plone4 uses 2.12.10), and there is no "Help" link in the ZMI, either. | 14:28 |
| betabug | hmmm, dunno | 14:28 |
| betabug | still on 2.10 here | 14:28 |
| betabug | have done 2.12 only for playing around | 14:28 |
| toni_ | I think I should log a bug against Zope2... | 14:29 |
| toni_ | once I find out how to do it. | 14:29 |
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| CIA-7 | janwijbrand * r117249 groktoolkit/grok.cfg: move to zc.buildout 1.5.1 | 16:33 |
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| CIA-7 | janwijbrand gary-0.8.0 * r117250 z3c.recipe.i18n/src/z3c/recipe/i18n/tests.py: make the tests pass again, by removing unneeded package installs in the test setup | 17:34 |
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| CIA-7 | janwijbrand gary-0.8.0 * r117251 z3c.recipe.i18n/src/z3c/recipe/i18n/tests.py: revert 117250, just now things seems to have improved on the trunk that might obsolete this change | 17:50 |
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| * Charlie_X coughs | 18:00 | |
| Charlie_X | Welcome to the regular Zope-Dev meeting. | 18:01 |
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| Charlie_X | Typical: I start the meeting and people start leaving! ;-) | 18:01 |
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| yareckon | hi guys, wondering if there is a general way to list what template (dtml or page template) is rendering a certain page section? | 18:03 |
| yareckon | some sort of template debug setting you could pass in the url from logged in users or something? | 18:04 |
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| yareckon | right now I am in a crawl through lots of includes in files and am wondering if there is a cleaner way to tell from the front end | 18:04 |
| Charlie_X | yareckon: I think ZPTs have a "template" variable. | 18:05 |
| Charlie_X | Couldn't tell you anything about DTML but I'd be surprised if it has something similar. | 18:05 |
| yareckon | so I could print that somewhere for authenticated folks... | 18:06 |
| yareckon | would be nice if I could put debug code in one central place that would do that | 18:06 |
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| Charlie_X | Yes, assuming it's available. With macros enabled it can still be quite confusing. | 18:06 |
| Charlie_X | Check the PageTemplate documentation. | 18:06 |
| yareckon | ok, thanks Charlie_X | 18:06 |
| Charlie_X | I don't think you can put the code in one place. | 18:07 |
| Charlie_X | If you really don't have any idea you could always use the debugger to step through. | 18:07 |
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| Charlie_X | So, I've set up a Doodle for the next bug day. | 18:11 |
| Charlie_X | http://doodle.com/ctf2bbied4xteayn | 18:11 |
| Charlie_X | And regarding my own task of coming up with better documentation for developers I'd like to question the continued validity of the notes on the Python coding style. http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/codingstyle/python-style.html | 18:12 |
| Charlie_X | I see no advantage and several disadvantages in not sticking with PEP8. But I also don't think there is much to gain by manically PEP8ing all existing code. I'm sure people have better things to do. | 18:15 |
| J1m | +1 on not pep-8-ing old code. | 18:17 |
| J1m | also, pep-8 is just stupid on a few things. | 18:17 |
| J1m | A lot of it is just something someone made up. | 18:17 |
| J1m | more or less arbitrarily. | 18:18 |
| J1m | For example, import order is insane in pep 8 | 18:18 |
| benji | indeed | 18:18 |
| benji | having worked on a project that uses the PEP-8 import grouping style, I can reaffirm that grouping imports at all is useless | 18:19 |
| J1m | Probably worse than useless. | 18:20 |
| J1m | as it requires more work to maintain and more work to find imports. | 18:20 |
| benji | too true | 18:20 |
| benji | and then people write scripts to help you group imports, and then robots kill your pets, it's a down-hill slide | 18:21 |
| J1m | heh | 18:21 |
| benji | Charlie_X: having just re-read the zope style guide -- although there are a few things I personally would do differently, in total its reccomendations are based on solid reasoning and experience; I'd keep it | 18:23 |
| J1m | +1 | 18:26 |
| J1m | and again, +1 to not modifying existing code solely to conform to it. | 18:27 |
| Charlie_X | Okay. | 18:27 |
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| Charlie_X | Points noted. If there are problems with PEP8 we cannot solve them solely in ZTK code. But if we want to share our code with as much as the Python community as possible a common style is helpful. Again I don't think of this as too prescriptive and I certainly don't want a long, drawn out and enfuriating discussion about it. | 18:30 |
| CIA-7 | janwijbrand * r117252 z3c.recipe.i18n/ (9 files in 2 dirs): merge gary-0.8.0 branch to add compatibility for zc.buildout-1.5.1 | 18:30 |
| Charlie_X | J1m: I'd like to update the tasks page where possible. Can you remember the approximate timeline for the move to webob? | 18:31 |
| J1m | September 2014. | 18:32 |
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| benji | lol | 18:32 |
| * Charlie_X wonders if that is after all of the many mythical dates when the world is supposed to end. | 18:33 | |
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| Charlie_X | Well, I guess that's meeting over. Thanks for your time. | 18:39 |
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| CIA-7 | janjaapdriessen * r117253 z3c.recipe.compattest/ (5 files in 2 dirs): The z3c.recipe.scripts.scripts recipe behind zc.recipe.testrunner.TestRunner does not accept plain dicts, so we wrap the options in a _BackwardsSupportOptions object. | 18:48 |
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| CIA-7 | janwijbrand * r117254 z3c.recipe.i18n/CHANGES.txt: update changelog | 21:04 |
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| CIA-7 | charlie_x * r117255 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 21:33 |
| CIA-7 | SyndicationTool now uses an ISydnicationInfo adapter for all object settings. | 21:33 |
| CIA-7 | Security added to previously public methods. | 21:33 |
| CIA-7 | Additional public method added to expose syndication information. | 21:33 |
| CIA-7 | getHTML4UpdateBase() method deprecated. | 21:33 |
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| TuomasT | How can I get Zope object by url (inside url) | 23:06 |
| TuomasT | eg. myobj = getobj("/obs/obj1.obj") in script python | 23:06 |
| MatthewWilkes | TuomasT: context.restrictedTraverse("/obs/obj1.obj") | 23:12 |
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