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| planetzopebot | Is there a better Python IDE? (Lennart Regebro: Open Source, Python, Web) http://regebro.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/is-there-a-better-python-ide/ | 02:04 |
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| tarek_ | hello people, i want to install a zope server on my pc and followed the instructions on http://www.paolocorti.net/2008/01/02/installing-zope-and-plone-from-source-on-ubuntu-in-10-easy-steps/ | 14:12 |
| tarek_ | but the shell tells me that it needs python version 2.4 | 14:13 |
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| kosh | tarek_: zope 2.12 works with python 2.6, zope 2.10 needs python 2.4 | 15:31 |
| tarek_ | kosh: well i got the latest stable release of zope in in a tarball | 15:32 |
| kosh | what is the name of the tarball? | 15:32 |
| kosh | also it does not look like those instructions work anymore | 15:37 |
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| tarek_ | kosh:http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.0/Zope-3.4.0.tgz | 15:40 |
| kosh | what I would do is wget http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/Z/Zope2/Zope2-2.12.10.zip unzip Zope2-2.12.10.zip cd Zope2-2.12.10 python 2.6 bin/bootstrap.py bin/buildout | 15:41 |
| kosh | don't use 3.x | 15:41 |
| kosh | 3.x is a dead end project, it has been discontinued pretty much | 15:41 |
| tarek_ | kosh:y? | 15:42 |
| tarek_ | y is zope 3.x a deadend project? | 15:42 |
| kosh | 3.x got discontinued and incorporated into other projects | 15:43 |
| kosh | there will be no more releases of 3.x | 15:43 |
| kosh | it is dead | 15:43 |
| kosh | 3.x also was NEVER an upgrade to 2.x and it should have never been called zope as a result | 15:43 |
| kosh | there is a new project called bluebream that is a continuation of zope 3.x mostly | 15:43 |
| kosh | at one point it was even discussed about renamed zope 2 to zope 4 to indicate that 3.x was not an upgrade for it | 15:44 |
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| tarek_ | kosh: there is only zope2.10 | 15:52 |
| tarek_ | kosh: there is only zope2.11 sorry | 15:52 |
| kosh | why do you say there is only zope 2.11? I just gave a link to 2.12.10 | 15:53 |
| kosh | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Zope2/2.12.10 | 15:54 |
| tarek_ | kosh: looked at www.zope.org | 15:54 |
| kosh | there is some kind of bug in how it sorts and shows the most recent version | 15:56 |
| kosh | http://zope2.zope.org/releases | 15:56 |
| kosh | hmm actually there is a zope 2.12.12 so I should probably upgrade my servers at some point | 15:59 |
| kosh | zope2.zope.org is probably where want to get zope2 information, it is a more recent site then zope.org is | 16:01 |
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| kosh | zope.org is being redone last I heard but it is a lot of work since it is huge | 16:01 |
| kosh | bigkevmcd: greetings mobile marshmallow cooker | 16:01 |
| bigkevmcd | hey kosh | 16:02 |
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| kosh | bigkevmcd: I don't think that tarek_ believes me that there is a zope 2.12 since zope.org only lists 2.11 as the most recent version | 16:03 |
| bigkevmcd | https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2009-September/037953.html | 16:03 |
| bigkevmcd | announcement from just over a year ago | 16:03 |
| bigkevmcd | the Zope.org site is not much use nowadays | 16:04 |
| tarek_ | im new to zope that is y | 16:04 |
| kosh | that is okay everyone starts somewhere | 16:10 |
| kosh | tarek_: so what do you want to do with zope? if you want to run plone you need to pick a version of zope that the version of plone that you want to use is for | 16:10 |
| tarek_ | kosh: i want to use it for a simple office management, where the employees have to report online when they want to take an ink cartrage and that an email will be sent when you are running out on a article so that you buy it in time | 16:13 |
| kosh | do you know python? | 16:15 |
| tarek_ | yes | 16:16 |
| kosh | zope is a very powerful app server system that I like a lot but starting out is pretty complex | 16:16 |
| tarek_ | kosh: ok, so what would u recommend me as a solution for my problem | 16:18 |
| tarek_ | ? | 16:18 |
| kosh | I would use zope but then again I know how to use it very well | 16:18 |
| kosh | if you want to just learn the minimal and then throw it away when the next thing comes along then no matter what solution you choose you will have problems | 16:19 |
| kosh | it is a pretty simple project so should not be a very big problem to start out with that | 16:19 |
| kosh | storing the stuff in the ZODB is pretty easy | 16:20 |
| tarek_ | kosh: ok, so u are sayin that zope would be an overkill? | 16:20 |
| kosh | I don't believe in overkill | 16:21 |
| kosh | if you use something that can just barely do what you need you quickly run into problems trying to get it to do more | 16:21 |
| kosh | if you choose a product that can do far more it takes longer to learn what you need for now but it also has a lot of tools to grow with | 16:21 |
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| tarek_ | kosh: well do u have a recommendation to point me at? | 16:23 |
| kosh | I would use zope 2.12.12 since that is the newest release but other then that my instructions for installing it would be the same | 16:24 |
| kosh | http://zope.org/Members/maxm/HowTo/minimal_01 and http://www.zope.org/Members/maxm/HowTo/minimal_02 is a good introduction to basic product development, old but still accurate | 16:26 |
| tarek_ | "sudo python2.6 bootstrap.py" gives me an error | 16:27 |
| tarek_ | Traceback (most recent call last): | 16:28 |
| tarek_ | File "bootstrap.py", line 113, in <module> | 16:28 |
| tarek_ | ws.find(pkg_resources.Requirement.parse(requirement)).location | 16:28 |
| tarek_ | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'location' | 16:28 |
| kosh | hmm I have never ran into that error | 16:28 |
| kosh | all my systems are running ubuntu and I ran the commands as I gave them to you | 16:29 |
| tarek_ | kosh: i have a 64bit system could that be the cause | 16:29 |
| kosh | all my systesms are 64bit | 16:29 |
| tarek_ | kosh: and bootstrap.py is not in the bin folder | 16:30 |
| kosh | ok | 16:31 |
| kosh | hmm the server is not responding right now for grabbing the files needed | 16:32 |
| kosh | probably someone needs to replace the hamsters in the server and early in the morning on a sunday makes that unlikely | 16:33 |
| tarek_ | hm... | 16:41 |
| kosh | I would just try later in the day | 16:42 |
| kosh | it is not something I have ever seen go wrong so probably a network problem somewhere | 16:42 |
| tarek_ | kosh: in that case ill stay online and let me know when i can address my problem to this channel ok? | 16:50 |
| kosh | it is not like I will constantly test it and see when the server comes back up | 16:52 |
| tarek_ | kosh: i'm not expecting you to do that | 16:55 |
| kosh | okay just know that since it is sunday many people will probably not actually be here to help | 16:58 |
| tarek_ | kosh: dont worry | 17:03 |
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| kiorky | http://buildout.org down ? | 18:23 |
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| roq_ | hey! http://download.zope.org seems to be down | 18:26 |
| kiorky | would be good to remove the url from zc.buildout's setup.py not to be annoyed when buildout.org is down ..... | 18:27 |
| kiorky | roq_: 17:23 <kiorky> http://buildout.org down ? | 18:27 |
| kiorky | roq_: :p | 18:27 |
| roq_ | hehehe | 18:28 |
| kiorky | ccomb: an you do something? | 18:28 |
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| roq_ | where is the Zope TI data center guy? | 18:29 |
| ccomb | kiorky: I have no access to that | 18:29 |
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| kosh | it is a sunday morning and nothing may even be wrong with the server | 19:24 |
| kosh | maybe someone with a backhoe made a mistake nearby the server ;) | 19:24 |
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| tarek_ | kosh: any luck? | 22:22 |
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| CIA-94 | charlie_x * r117412 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/browser/search/ (search.py results.pt search.pt interfaces.py): Basic search functionality implemented. Batching still needs doing properly. | 23:04 |
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