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| Charlie_X | Happy Bugday! | 10:50 |
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| mkanat | Hey there. Would this channel be the best place to ask questions about TAL? | 11:20 |
| j-w | mkanat: you can try :) | 11:21 |
| mkanat | Hahaha, okay. So, in TAL, is there a way to make adding an attribute conditional? | 11:21 |
| mkanat | That is, I want to add a class to an element, but only given a certain condition. | 11:21 |
| betabug | this is likely a good place to ask TAL questions, but it's not a good place to ask meta-questions ;-) | 11:21 |
| j-w | mkanat: that's possbile | 11:22 |
| Charlie_X | mkanat: easy | 11:22 |
| betabug | use tal:attributes, simple | 11:22 |
| mkanat | Okay. What's the syntax for something like: tal:attributes="class blah" if (some boolean) | 11:23 |
| Charlie_X | tal:attributes="class python: logic_statement and 'desired class' or None" | 11:23 |
| mkanat | Charlie_X: Ahhh, right! :-) Thank you. | 11:23 |
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| j-w | mkanat: http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/TALSpecification14#attributes | 11:24 |
| mkanat | Charlie_X: I also was not too familiar with that ternary operator syntax for python. | 11:24 |
| Charlie_X | mkanat: depending on the Python version you can use the 'ternary' syntax in Python if you prefer. At least I think it's ternary: x = y if condition else x = z | 11:25 |
| mkanat | Ternary would be ?: | 11:25 |
| mkanat | But and/or is fine. :-) | 11:25 |
| Charlie_X | I've got used to the more verbose but I think more useful boolean stuff. Certainly confusing at first. | 11:26 |
| * mkanat nods. | 11:26 | |
| Charlie_X | Yes. I think Python does without the '?' in the syntax as Guido rightly tries to avoid new sigils wherever possible. | 11:27 |
| * mkanat nods. | 11:27 | |
| betabug | you can always do the perlish [None, 'myclass'][logicstatement] | 11:27 |
| Charlie_X | You can fuck right off with your Perlish | 11:28 |
| Charlie_X | ;-) | 11:28 |
| mkanat | lol | 11:28 |
| betabug | haha | 11:28 |
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| Charlie_X | http://docs.python.org/reference/expressions.html - Conditional expressions | 11:28 |
| Charlie_X | I reckon the basic boolean is more useful because it's generic but I can understand the appeal of the ternary when you want/need to condense an if/else clause into a single statement. | 11:29 |
| betabug | well, the "perlish" thing is simply really old-style, when python didn't have the other stuff | 11:30 |
| Charlie_X | Yeah, well I'm a revisionist who denies that Python ever had anything to do with Perl. | 11:32 |
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| betabug | haha, it never had anything to do with perl! | 11:35 |
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| CIA-82 | fdrake * r118640 zope.testing/ (src/zope/testing/setupstack.txt CHANGES.txt): fix test of broken symlink handling to not break on Windows | 13:04 |
| CIA-82 | fdrake * r118641 /zope.testing/tags/ (3.10.2 3.10.2/setup.py): tag release 3.10.2 | 13:04 |
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| CIA-82 | fdrake * r118642 zope.testing/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): bump version | 13:21 |
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| * Theuni- waves | 14:23 | |
| Theuni- | happy bug day and such | 14:23 |
| betabug | thanks | 14:23 |
| betabug | I'm happy most days anyway | 14:23 |
| Theuni- | :) | 14:23 |
| Theuni- | I feel like looking into the task of making the test summarizer better. | 14:25 |
| Theuni- | argh. this is an ugly piece of code. | 14:31 |
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| Charlie_X | hiya Theuni- | 14:39 |
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| CIA-82 | ctheune * r118643 /Sandbox/ctheune/testsummarizer/summarizer.py: | 15:42 |
| CIA-82 | Experiment with new layout that is more suitable to accomodate the large | 15:42 |
| CIA-82 | amount of results we get every night. | 15:42 |
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| Theuni- | Charlie_X: any progress on the repository policy script? | 16:01 |
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| ploufplouf | hi | 16:01 |
| Charlie_X | Policy script? That's not mine. | 16:02 |
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| ploufplouf | Do you know if it's possible to make the zserver (zope2.11) listen a "dynamic socket" not a port ? I never did this and am not sure of the terms. I try to make zope run on a mutualized server, and can not listen a port. | 16:03 |
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| Theuni- | Charlie_X: which one is yours? | 16:05 |
| Charlie_X | ploufplouf: it's an http server. Why should listen on a socket? | 16:05 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni-: the nagging summary | 16:05 |
| Theuni- | ah | 16:05 |
| Charlie_X | Working on it | 16:05 |
| Theuni- | that's the one i meant, though | 16:05 |
| Charlie_X | Nice to have some compnay today. | 16:06 |
| ploufplouf | Charlie_X: so it's not possible ? (it's really not someting i konw well) | 16:06 |
| bigkevmcd | ploufplouf: what is a dynamic socket? | 16:07 |
| bigkevmcd | ploufplouf: do you mean a Unix socket? | 16:07 |
| ploufplouf | yes, i guess | 16:08 |
| bigkevmcd | i.e. AF_UNIX ? | 16:08 |
| betabug | ploufplouf: usually you can open ports in the "upper range", above 1024 | 16:08 |
| betabug | and then you "rewrite" in apache from port 80 to the port you use in zope (e.g. 8080) | 16:08 |
| ploufplouf | betabug: I used to do this on my own servers, buts it's not possible in this case | 16:09 |
| ploufplouf | the server uses mod_fcgid | 16:10 |
| betabug | fastcgi?? ugh | 16:10 |
| betabug | zope used to be able to work with that, but nobody is using it any more, I doubt it will still work | 16:11 |
| ploufplouf | ok | 16:11 |
| betabug | personally I would choose another hosting, that setup is not good | 16:11 |
| ploufplouf | i'll have to find a dedicated sercer, it's juste quiet expensive for this little instance | 16:12 |
| betabug | you don't need necessarily a dedicated server, a "virtual private server" will be enough | 16:13 |
| Charlie_X | ploufplouf: what's wrong with running it behind mod_proxy? | 16:13 |
| ploufplouf | ha | 16:13 |
| ploufplouf | there is nothing wrong, I juste do not know how to configure zope without a port to listen | 16:14 |
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| betabug | I somehow doubt that they can stop zope from listening on a port | 16:15 |
| Charlie_X | Disable zserver | 16:16 |
| betabug | well, I mean by the administrator | 16:16 |
| betabug | I guess it will listen to the port you tell it to, it will just be firewalled off | 16:17 |
| CIA-82 | regebro regebro-python3 * r118644 zope.proxy/src/zope/proxy/_zope_proxy_proxy.c: Cleaned up module initialization as per discussion on mailing list. | 16:17 |
| ploufplouf | zope can run an instance whitout zserver ? | 16:17 |
| betabug | I guess if you have to ask, the answer will be "No" | 16:18 |
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| Charlie_X | ploufplouf: yes, as from Zope 2.13 | 16:19 |
| ploufplouf | ha | 16:19 |
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| betabug | news to me then | 16:21 |
| betabug | but I'm way behind anyway :-) | 16:21 |
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| ploufplouf | ok, i'll try zope2.13 without zserver. Thanks for the idea, i'll tell you | 16:28 |
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| Theuni- | so | 16:56 |
| Theuni- | I'm here in case anybody wants to talk about anything ;) | 16:57 |
| betabug | *anything*??? | 16:57 |
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| mgedmin | nice weather we're having | 16:59 |
| betabug | mgedmin: but it gets dark so early this time of year | 17:00 |
| Theuni- | betabug: sure :) | 17:00 |
| Theuni- | I won't guarantee to answer, though ;) | 17:01 |
| * Theuni- keeps bashing away at a revised test aggregator | 17:01 | |
| * Charlie_X waves | 17:01 | |
| * agroszer thinks about sending mails from the new builders from winbot to the aggregator | 17:03 | |
| Theuni- | sure | 17:03 |
| Theuni- | i'm thinking about enforcing a little bit more concrete syntax in the subjects | 17:04 |
| agroszer | but, there are plenty of builders if you check | 17:04 |
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| Theuni- | i've send a draft of the new format I intend to put up | 17:06 |
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| agroszer | Theuni-, the overview part: +lots | 17:14 |
| agroszer | having the links down there is.... | 17:14 |
| agroszer | an I guess the links of failed tests are the most interesting | 17:15 |
| Theuni- | That's the issue with plaintext mails | 17:15 |
| Theuni- | as soon as I put the links in the middle of that list it looses a lot of the visual value | 17:15 |
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| Theuni- | I had another shot where I only made footnotes for those tests that were not OK | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | url shortener? | 17:16 |
| Theuni- | meh | 17:16 |
| agroszer | KISS | 17:16 |
| Theuni- | breaking urls suckage | 17:16 |
| Theuni- | agroszer: not that hard | 17:16 |
| agroszer | Theuni-, repeat only the failed tests with urls down there | 17:16 |
| agroszer | like | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | use HTML? (yuck for email) | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | make http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/buildbots.html#the-nightly-builds more prominent? | 17:16 |
| agroszer | FAILED winbot / ztk_10 py_244_win32 | 17:16 |
| agroszer | file:///tmp/mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-November/025279.html | 17:17 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni-: I remember you wanting to have text/plain minimal + text/html extended + link in the text/plain part. | 17:17 |
| agroszer | yah and one more link to the buildbots page | 17:17 |
| Theuni- | Charlie_X: i couldn't quite make me do that ;) | 17:18 |
| Charlie_X | Some mailers understand some STX. Thunderbird does at least even if it's a pile of wank, really. | 17:18 |
| * Charlie_X stares hard at his one line of specification from an old IRC log | 17:18 | |
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| Theuni- | agroszer: putting the links in there directly breaks the visual structure | 17:18 |
| * Charlie_X admits to have been fiddling with webp for Mac OS X and FreeBSD today. | 17:19 | |
| Theuni- | linking to the buildbots page sounds fine | 17:19 |
| agroszer | Theuni-, that's shy I said, repeat ONLY the failing ones down there | 17:19 |
| agroszer | usually we'll care about failures | 17:19 |
| Theuni- | ah | 17:19 |
| agroszer | s/shy/why | 17:19 |
| * Theuni- tries that | 17:19 | |
| mgedmin | Theuni-, can we get a sneak peek at the new format in a pastebin somewhere? | 17:19 |
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| Theuni- | mgedmin: sure | 17:20 |
| Theuni- | I'll try agroszer's suggestion | 17:20 |
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| Theuni- | how about this? | 17:29 |
| Theuni- | http://dpaste.com/281559/ | 17:29 |
| agroszer | super | 17:30 |
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| agroszer | full stop ;-) | 17:30 |
| Theuni- | :) | 17:30 |
| agroszer | emm, add the link to the buildbot page and then full stop ;-) | 17:30 |
| Theuni- | right | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | hm | 17:31 |
| agroszer | it does not get more concise | 17:31 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni-: "pointing out who has committed to which projects" I think that is a bit vague. | 17:31 |
| Theuni- | Charlie_X: i think we meant looking at the SVN history of the last (handwave) period and use everyone who committed | 17:32 |
| Theuni- | :) | 17:32 |
| Theuni- | mgedmin: ? | 17:32 |
| * mgedmin is trying to decide if he wants to see the long list of buildbots up front or not | 17:32 | |
| mgedmin | ignore me | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | I like it | 17:33 |
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| Charlie_X | Theuni-: shit, that's much more complicated than I expected. | 17:35 |
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| Charlie_X | Launchpad has no information about the repository and no direct link. | 17:37 |
| Theuni- | mgedmin: :) | 17:37 |
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| agroszer | as I said, you'll need zlib to make it more concise ;-) | 17:39 |
| regebro | Oh, right the meeting. Forgot about it again, even though I added it to my calendar this time. :) | 17:39 |
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| Charlie_X | regebro: it's okay. It's kind of extended today with it being bugday. | 17:40 |
| Charlie_X | How's the porting coming along. | 17:40 |
| Charlie_X | ? | 17:40 |
| regebro | Charlie_X: Well, I'm stuck. :) | 17:41 |
| Theuni- | ok, another draft went to the list | 17:43 |
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| CIA-82 | ctheune * r118645 /Sandbox/ctheune/testsummarizer/summarizer.py: More layout revisions after discussing my draft on #zope | 17:45 |
| Theuni- | I guess that attachment didn't make it through the moderation | 17:47 |
| Theuni- | Here's my last: http://dpaste.com/281566/ | 17:48 |
| Theuni- | I also re-added the number of OK, FAILED, UNKNOWN reports to the subject line | 17:48 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni-: I think it's a no go: I have no way of getting the repository url from Launchpad. | 17:48 |
| Theuni- | Charlie_X: hmm. the repository URL should always be svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/<eggname> | 17:49 |
| Theuni- | Is there any case where this isn't true? | 17:49 |
| Charlie_X | I don't have the eggname | 17:49 |
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| agroszer | Charlie_X, bzw /repos/main/<package_name> | 17:50 |
| Theuni- | eggname packagename | 17:51 |
| Theuni- | we've been pretty consistent with those | 17:51 |
| Charlie_X | https://launchpad.net/zope-sqlalchemy-da | 17:51 |
| * Theuni- barfs | 17:51 | |
| Theuni- | where did that come from? | 17:51 |
| Charlie_X | From a random check | 17:51 |
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| Theuni- | dang :) | 17:51 |
| Theuni- | i'd propose that we go forward with the rule I just said and go and poke the projects in LP that don't conform | 17:52 |
| agroszer | +1 | 17:52 |
| agroszer | move/rename/whatever | 17:52 |
| Theuni- | i've gotta run now | 17:53 |
| Theuni- | cya | 17:54 |
| Charlie_X | Bye | 17:54 |
| Charlie_X | Will try that and see how I get on. | 17:55 |
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| CIA-82 | tseaver * r118646 / (17 files in 6 dirs): Quick wrapper around sloccount, using checkouts from svn.zope.org. | 18:34 |
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| CIA-82 | tseaver * r118647 zope.assetvaluation/ (work work/src): Add default working area. | 19:08 |
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| moo_ | how I construct ViewPageTemplateFile in run-time so that it gets proper context? | 23:05 |
| moo_ | I find zope page tempalte classes utterly confusing | 23:05 |
| moo_ | and all ways and examples I have tried lead only to exceptinos | 23:05 |
| moo_ | specifically, I want to replace z3c.form.form.Form instances template attribute run-time | 23:06 |
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| binbrain | anybody have a link to a ZTK dependency graphic? | 23:14 |
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