IRC log of #zope for Tuesday, 2010-12-07

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cnahi how to make hidden variables in zope 3 forms09:16
cnaif anybody knows please give some pointers where i can go farward09:17
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CIA-82hannosch 2.12 * r118726 Zope/doc/CHANGES.rst: Cosmetics16:32
CIA-82hannosch 2.12 * r118727 Zope/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed argument parsing for entrypoint based zopectl commands.16:32
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CIA-82hannosch 2.13 * r118728 Zope/doc/CHANGES.rst: Merged c118726 from 2.12 branch16:33
CIA-82hannosch 2.13 * r118729 Zope/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merged c118727 from 2.12 branch16:33
CIA-82hannosch * r118730 Zope/doc/CHANGES.rst: Merged c118726 from 2.12 branch16:33
CIA-82hannosch * r118731 Zope/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merged c118727 from 2.12 branch16:33
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CIA-82hannosch 2.12 * r118732 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg Prepare Zope2
CIA-82hannosch * r118733 /Zope/tags/2.12.14: Tagged Zope2
CIA-82hannosch 2.12 * r118734 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg vb16:48
CIA-82hannosch * r118735 zope2docs/releases: 2.12.14 is out16:48
CIA-82hannosch 2.13 * r118736 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg Prepare Zope2
CIA-82hannosch * r118737 /Zope/tags/2.13.1: Tagged Zope2
CIA-82hannosch 2.13 * r118738 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg vb16:48
CIA-82hannosch * r118739 zope2docs/releases: 2.13.1 is out16:48
CIA-82wosc * r118740 /gocept.selenium/branches/wosc-zope2-threads: Branch to investigat thread isolation problems with selenium+zope216:48
CIA-82wosc wosc-zope2-threads * r118741 gocept.selenium/src/gocept/selenium/zope2/ Get a new ZODB connection per traversal16:48
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* Charlie_X coughs17:01
Charlie_XGood afternoon. Anyone here for the weekly meeting?17:02
CIA-82thefunny42 * r118742 grokcore.view/ (23 files in 7 dirs): Merge shared_templates_userwarning branch17:02
* mgedmin is sort-of-here, although a bit busy and with nothing useful to say ...17:04
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Charlie_XLooks like Hanno is preparing another Zope 2.12 release.17:14
Charlie_XAnd I need to know how to make a release, I guess.17:14
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mgedminthe zope.publisher thing?17:18
mgedminthere's a package called zest.releaser that makes releases very easy to make17:19
mgedmin(with one caveat about setuptools, version control plugins and incomplete source distributions)17:20
mgedminI'd make the release myself if I understood/felt a bit more confident about the change17:23
mgedminit looks all right to *me*, but I don't want the one to be blamed for making a release that broke Zope 2.whatever at the last minute ;)17:24
Charlie_XI understand17:25
Charlie_XIf I knew how I could run it on some of my own sites - possibly if I included it via svn:externals=17:26
mgedminhow do you deploy zope 2? buildout?17:27
Charlie_XGod, my typing is awful today.17:27
mgedminthen you could add develop += /path/to/your/checkout/of/zope.publisher to buildout.cfg and unpin the version17:28
mgedminor pin the version to '3.12.5dev', assuming that's what the version looks like in svn17:28
Charlie_XOkay, I'll give that a try later.17:31
Charlie_XI guess we should also be looking towards the next bug day.17:32
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Charlie_XBut I guess that is difficult in December.17:38
Charlie_XOkay, I guess that was the meeting. Thanks for the company mgedmin17:39
CIA-82thefunny42 * r118743 grokcore.view/ (CHANGES.txt src/grokcore/view/meta/ Factor out a TemplateGrokker.17:44
CIA-82thefunny42 * r118744 grokcore.view/src/grokcore/view/meta/ Properly detect the component name.17:45
CIA-82thefunny42 * r118745 grokcore.viewlet/ (CHANGES.txt src/grokcore/viewlet/ Update to use the new TemplateGrokker.17:45
CIA-82janwijbrand * r118746 groktoolkit/buildout.cfg: auto checkout grokcore.view and grokcore.viewlet while working on the template registry changes17:45
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planetzopebotPython Jobs Board Maintainer Changing (Python Software Foundation News)
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CIA-82thefunny42 * r118747 megrok.layout/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Use new TemplateGrokker18:12
CIA-82janwijbrand * r118748 grokui.base/src/grokui/base/README.txt: the template registry want module info now for view components18:12
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CIA-82thefunny42 * r118749 /grokcore.view/branches/shared_templates_userwarning: This branch have been merged into trunk.18:38
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CIA-82thefunny42 * r118750 grokcore.view/src/grokcore/view/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Update warning message to be move clear and more generic (it can be triggered not only for Views).19:11
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CIA-82hannosch 2.13 * r118751 Zope/ (src/App/ doc/CHANGES.rst): LP 686664: WebDAV Lock Manager ZMI view wasn't accessible.20:03
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CIA-82hannosch 2.13 * r118752 Zope/src/App/ PEP8 / cleanup20:23
CIA-82hannosch * r118753 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst src/App/ Merged c118751, c118752 from 2.13 branch20:23
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poorboywillywhat is the time complexity of packing the database proportional to?  is it simply the large the DB, the longer to pack, it can I shorten pack time by increasing (or decreasing) the max object age?20:34
poorboywillywow that was terribly written.  should read "the larger the DB" and "or can I"20:35
CIA-82yuppie 2.2 * r118754 CMF/ (buildout-zope212.cfg buildout-zope213.cfg): - updated Zope2 and ZTK versions20:35
CIA-82yuppie * r118755 CMF/ (buildout-zope212.cfg buildout-zope213.cfg): - updated Zope2 and ZTK versions20:35
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TresEquispoorboywilly, there are two parts of the pack20:40
TresEquisthe first is a scan of the DB, which is going to be O(n) in the total number of transactions20:41
TresEquisthe second is copying the "live" transactions per your specified interval20:41
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TresEquisthat will be O(n) in the number of transactions touching object revisions which are "live" in that interval:  the shorter the interval, the shorter this phase, down to a floor of "all current objects"20:42
TresEquiswhich ocurrs if you pass 020:43
poorboywillyTresEquis: thanks, that's very helpful...also, considering that how is disk space utilized20:44
poorboywillyis the DB copied first, and then the new one built from what is selected?20:44
poorboywillyor is it copied then pared down?20:44
poorboywillysorry first question should be "20:44
poorboywillyis db moved first"20:45
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TresEquispoorboywilly, the "live" transactions are copied into a new file,20:47
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TresEquisat the end, the old file is renamed "*.pack" and the new file is renamed "*.fs"20:48
TresEquisbut only if packing succeeds20:48
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poorboywillyTresEquis: thanks20:57
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hannoschccomb: evening!21:03
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hannoschj-w_: evening!21:05
j-w_ccomb, hannosch21:05
j-w_i made, somewhat in time :)21:05
* hannosch is here for two minutes21:06
hannoschand ccomb didn't respond to my greeting yet :)21:06
j-w_and I need to apologize immediately: I did't do last meeting's minutes :(21:06
j-w_ah, ok21:06
hannoschah, I was wondering about those notes - but no worries, we'll just remember what was in them21:07
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hannoschj-w_: hhm, do you actually remember what we already did last week and what is up on the agenda this week?21:08
* j-w_ looking at the IRC logs21:08
j-w_there was the thing where we would check not to have introduces unwanted dependencies on distribute21:08
j-w_as oposed to setuptools21:08
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hannoschright. that's the one I remember and I didn't check21:09
j-w_we discussed packages that declare dep of unreleased versions21:09
hannoschso postpone until next time :)21:09
j-w_i was supposed to make a list of packages that have this issue21:10
j-w_postpone to next time too, I'm afraid...21:11
* hannosch guesses this meeting will be short21:11
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j-w_(on the plus side, I was able to put some work into fanstatic and a long standing grokcore.view branch...)21:11
j-w_(not that that concerns ZTK directly though)21:11
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hannoschwell, it's good work - so you can bring it up and we can applaud you :)21:13
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hannoschmmh, I get the feeling ccomb isn't really here21:14
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j-w_did anything else come up in the meantime?21:14
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j-w_in the last two weeks I mean21:14
hannoschI don't think so. If I understand Tres mails and the Python bug report correctly we might have made progress on the Python 2.7 / zope.proxy issue21:14
j-w_if not, maybe we should try to actually accomplish last time's task and set a new date?21:15
j-w_oh, right yes, cool21:15
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j-w_hannosch, ccomb would it be an idea to meet next week?21:15
j-w_instead of in two weeks?21:15
j-w_to see whether we got a bit further on our issues?21:16
hannoschplease. in two weeks I'll spent the day with Theuni and Veit discussing Zope all day long already ... no need to do more of it in the evening ;)21:16
j-w_hannosch, discussing Zope in the sense of "what the future holds?"21:16
j-w_if I may ask21:17
hannoschj-w_: yep21:17
hannoschif anything concrete comes out of it, I'll report it21:17
j-w_that'll be useful, thanks21:18
hannoschso let's meet dec 14th 20:30?21:18
j-w_yes, i'll mail about that, so that ccomb has a chance to chip in on that21:18
hannoschok. cool21:19
hannoschthank you! :))21:19
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ccombhannosch: j-w_21:25
j-w_ha, ccomb I just send you a mail :)21:26
ccombsorry, I was on the phone21:26
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j-w_we didn't really followup yet on our tasks of last meeting21:27
ccombok for next week 20:3021:28
ccombI'm setting an alarm 30min before21:28
hannoschccomb: ok ;)21:30
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