IRC log of #zope for Friday, 2011-01-14

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martin_how can i use the content of a page template in script(python)?00:02
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clairdIs there an alternative to MailHost that is more robust with modest mailing lists?03:03
clairdI'll explain what I mean:03:03
clairdNaive use of MailHost has a lot of problems when given a "To:" longer than, say, twenty addresses.03:04
clairdI've written my own altenative to MailHost to handle mailing lists in a way convenient to me.03:05
clairdI'm curious, though, what others do.  I've poked around looking for appropriate Products, without success.03:05
clairdI suspect that I just don't have the right mentality for Product searches ...03:06
clairdTherefore, I ask live humans:  'know any better than write-my-own?03:06
clairdJens' MaildropHost.03:18
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nitrogenycswhat's the fastest way to test if one ZODB.BTree is a subset of another? (subset of the keys)04:30
mcdoncthe answer is in this mess somewhere: http://svn.zope.org/ZODB/trunk/src/BTrees/Interfaces.py?rev=113734&view=markup04:32
mcdonclikely btree.intersection(otherbtree) or so04:34
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nitrogenycsmcdonc: thanks, that's what I was also looking at the past hour or so. For the subset part I actually used the difference() function. I guess it would be faster if the C code could do comparisions as it could early-out instead of having to compute entire sets, but that doesn't seem to be possible04:49
mcdoncyes it would be nice if there was an issubset04:52
nitrogenycsmcdonc: same for the other comparisions like equality. I've implemented it like bool( symmetric_difference(a, b) ) == False now04:55
nitrogenycsI guess it's still faster to compute the entire set in C than to iterate over the sorted trees manually in python, especially in the worst cases04:56
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CIA-78janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-fanstatic * r119573 grokproject/CHANGES.txt: Upgrade notes.11:48
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CIA-78yuppie * r119574 CMF/buildout.cfg: - added docs part (for building CMFCore or GenericSetup docs)12:03
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CIA-78yuppie * r119575 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/browser/admin/ (5 files in 2 dirs):12:21
CIA-78- normalized some i18n messages12:21
CIA-78- wrapped some long lines12:21
CIA-78- cleaned up headers, imports and whitespace12:21
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CIA-78yuppie * r119575 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/browser/admin/ (5 files in 2 dirs):12:33
CIA-78- normalized some i18n messages12:33
CIA-78- wrapped some long lines12:33
CIA-78- cleaned up headers, imports and whitespace12:33
CIA-78yuppie * r119576 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/ (upgrade/to23.py profiles/default/actions.xml): - whitespace cleanup12:33
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CIA-78yuppie * r119577 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/browser/search/interfaces.py:13:12
CIA-78- normalized some i18n messages13:12
CIA-78- cleaned up imports13:12
CIA-78yuppie * r119578 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/browser/workflow/workflow.py:13:12
CIA-78- normalized some i18n messages13:12
CIA-78- cleaned up imports13:12
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CIA-78janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-fanstatic * r119579 grokproject/grokproject/template/src/+package+/ (9 files in 2 dirs):14:03
CIA-78Moved tests into subdirectory in order to separate them from application code.14:03
CIA-78Also, tests are now picked up by zope.testrunner without messing with14:03
CIA-78test-patterns. Dropped z3c.testsetup, replaced by unittest and functional14:03
CIA-78unittest + description how to register tests.14:03
CIA-78janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-fanstatic * r119580 grokproject/CHANGES.txt: Update changes14:03
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CIA-78yuppie * r119581 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/browser/membership/ (9 files in 2 dirs):14:26
CIA-78- normalized some i18n messages14:26
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CIA-78yuppie * r119582 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/locales/cmf_default.pot: - updated .pot file14:26
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heverHello, what are the best practises for replicating a ZODB / ZEO Server ?15:11
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CIA-78janjaapdriessen * r119583 zope.testbrowser/ (src/zope/testbrowser/README.txt CHANGES.txt setup.py): Fix test compatibility with zope.app.testing 3.8.115:40
CIA-78janjaapdriessen * r119584 zope.testbrowser/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Preparing release 3.10.415:40
CIA-78janjaapdriessen * r119585 /zope.testbrowser/tags/3.10.4: Tagging 3.10.415:40
CIA-78janjaapdriessen * r119586 zope.testbrowser/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Post-release15:40
martijn|4Dhever: A convenient setup us RelStorage, so you can use the replication tools of mysql or postgres15:40
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hevermartijn|4D, Are there no Zope related replication tools, beside ZRS (http://www.zope.com/products/zope_replication_services.html)?15:50
martijn|4Dhever: not that I'm aware of15:51
heverHow do you do replication ?15:52
martijn|4Dwe use a drbd solution to replicate the data in case of failure of the backend. In a project we worked on people used relstorage for replication15:53
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hevermartijn|4D, well I thougt about such a filesystem based solution but didn't know drbd, thats a very good hint, I'm very thankful !15:58
CIA-78janjaapdriessen * r119587 zopetoolkit/zopeapp-versions.cfg: Pick up test fix in zope.testbrowser 3.10.4.15:59
martijn|4Dhever: You need some time to experiment with it and to get to know how it works. But the system is rock solid : we use it in production for several years now.15:59
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hevermartijn|4D, it seems it's blocking until the data is written to the clients. Did you experienced this as a bottleneck?16:02
martijn|4Dhever: No not really. You have to be sure that the network connection is fast enough. otherwise you can experience a low througpout indeed.16:03
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hevermartijn|4D, ok great. I think I can ensure a high speed connection between the machines. But I think the secondary system must run readonly... Or use the primary ZEO Client and just in case of a failure its local one...16:10
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CIA-78janjaapdriessen 1.1 * r119588 zopetoolkit/zopeapp-versions.cfg: Pick up test bugfix in zope.testbrowser.16:18
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martijn|4Dhever: what you can do with two machines is : machine 1 : zeoclient + zeoserver (with floating internal ip). on machine 2 a zeoclient (which connects to the floating ip zeoserver), with drbd failsafe for the zeoserver. With heartbeat you can detect that machine 1 is down : Machine 2 will take over the floating ip and start the failsafe zeoserver. The advantage of this setup as well is that both machines are used in a normal situation.16:23
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binbrainare there any packages to integrate zope.interface/schema with mongokit?16:47
mgedminhever, there's also zeoraid, but I don't know how mature it is16:52
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hevermartijn|4D, hej yes! That's exactly what I thougt. (And how it must work because both zeo servers can't run at once...) But if the server comes back on it must be ensured, not two zeo servers are running...17:35
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martijn|4Dhever: that's where heartbeat comes in. It will only start when the primary server is down.17:37
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hevermartijn|4D, yes actually I'm looking at heartbeat. But it must also solve the case when the primary server comes back on.17:38
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martijn|4Dhever: you can configure heartbeat to what to do : or the primary server takes over again (and the secondary zeoserver will be shutdown), or it will notify you that the primary server is up again so you can switch it manually.17:39
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hevergreat stuff!17:39
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martijn|4Dhever: but configuring and understanding heartbeat will also take some time if you do it for the first time17:44
heversure...17:45
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planetzopebotWonderful blog post on Pyramid development (Chatterbox, Reloaded)  http://pauleveritt.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/wonderful-blog-post-on-pyramid-development/19:04
planetzopebotChris McDonough on pluggable apps (Chatterbox, Reloaded)  http://pauleveritt.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/chris-mcdonough-on-pluggable-apps/19:04
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CIA-78janjaapdriessen * r119589 /Sandbox/janjaapdriessen/buildbot/buildout.cfg: Add zope.pytest20:41
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koshbetabug: are you around?22:42
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