IRC log of #zope for Monday, 2011-01-17

*** cwarner has joined #zope00:12
*** Arfrever has quit IRC00:34
*** RiverRat has quit IRC01:18
*** cpf_ has joined #zope01:19
*** davetoo has quit IRC01:43
*** rogererens has quit IRC01:55
*** rogererens has joined #zope02:08
*** vipod has quit IRC02:16
*** srichter has quit IRC02:40
*** RiverRat has joined #zope02:57
*** rogererens has quit IRC03:14
*** srichter has joined #zope03:20
*** cwarner has quit IRC03:24
*** ccomb has quit IRC03:43
*** alga has quit IRC04:00
*** nitrogenycs has left #zope04:02
*** MrTango has quit IRC04:03
*** mr_jolly has quit IRC05:00
*** srichter has quit IRC05:09
*** tiwula has joined #zope06:08
*** redir has quit IRC07:37
*** redir has joined #zope07:39
*** mememe has quit IRC08:15
*** tiwula has quit IRC08:23
*** cpf_ has quit IRC08:37
*** lcpfnyvc has joined #zope08:50
*** menesis has joined #zope08:53
*** zagy has joined #zope09:06
*** zenwryly has quit IRC09:13
*** zenwryly has joined #zope09:14
*** wosc has joined #zope09:14
*** zenwryly has quit IRC09:15
*** zenwryly has joined #zope09:16
*** zenwryly has quit IRC09:18
*** zenwryly has joined #zope09:20
*** zenwryly has quit IRC09:24
*** zenwryly has joined #zope09:24
*** hever has joined #zope09:24
*** Theuni1 has quit IRC09:25
*** hever has quit IRC09:27
*** hever has joined #zope09:28
*** d2m has joined #zope09:42
*** Theuni1 has joined #zope09:45
_mup_Bug #673718 was filed: Remove dependency on zope.formlib <zope.mimetype:New> < >09:56
_mup_Bug #98461 was filed: Access log does not contain user ids <bugday20100424> <community> <issue> <zope.server:Confirmed> <Zope 3:Won't Fix> < >09:56
_mup_Bug #530620 was filed: UnicodeDecodeError when using IE, Safari <zope.publisher:New> < >09:56
_mup_Bug #570942 was filed: InterfaceClass __cmp method obtains module name incorrectly <zope.interface:Confirmed> < >09:56
_mup_Bug #583787 was filed: Stop executing tests of a case if the common setup fails <zope.testrunner:New> < >09:56
_mup_Bug #580072 was filed: Layer setUp/tearDown messages should be suppressed with low verbosity <zope.testing:Confirmed> <zope.testrunner:Confirmed> < >09:56
_mup_Bug #558501 was filed: zope.configuration swallowing expat parser errors <zope.configuration:Confirmed for ct-gocept> < >09:56
*** _mup_ has quit IRC09:56
*** _mup_ has joined #zope09:57
_mup_Bug #610477 was filed: Asian languages not supported by text index <zope.index:New> < >09:57
*** sylvain has joined #zope09:59
*** tisto has joined #zope10:06
*** sunew has joined #zope10:09
*** kiorky has quit IRC10:26
*** kiorky has joined #zope10:26
*** do3cc has quit IRC10:27
*** planetzopebot has quit IRC10:33
*** vipod has joined #zope10:33
*** planetzopebot has joined #zope10:34
*** kiorky_ has quit IRC10:39
*** goschtl has joined #zope10:45
*** mitchell`off is now known as mitchell`10:50
*** d2m has quit IRC10:57
*** cpf_ has joined #zope10:57
*** yvl has quit IRC10:59
*** yvl has joined #zope11:01
*** d2m has joined #zope11:02
*** d2m has quit IRC11:07
*** vipod has quit IRC11:09
*** vipod has joined #zope11:10
*** thetet has joined #zope11:22
*** cpf_ has quit IRC11:33
*** Phazorx has joined #zope11:34
Phazorxis there life on this planet?11:34
*** mr_jolly has joined #zope11:36
*** martijn|4D has joined #zope11:38
*** tisto is now known as tisto|away11:38
waldino, earth is extinct11:41
Phazorxplanet #zope was i reffering to actualy... at least intelegence presence here :)11:42
*** hever has quit IRC11:42
Phazorxis the project still active?11:42
Phazorxor most devs moved to sometihng liek grog or the likes?11:43
betabugor zope?11:43
betabugzope is active11:43
Phazorxzope :)11:43
betabugthere's a dev meeting in here, every wednesday or so11:43
Phazorxbetabug: i see both zope2/3 have 2.X python tree as dependancies... is it in process of updating to 3 or that is not even on the menu11:43
Phazorxbetabug: ah i see11:43
betabugthere is dev work being done, but not by me11:44
betabugI'm just a lowly "consumer" who tries to help out on #zope a bit11:44
Phazorxis the website out of date then?most artifles there are 2006/200711:44
betabugyeah, is out of date, there's I think11:45
Phazorxwell i might join you here on same grounds if i manage to convivce rest of devs that this is a viable platform to build on11:45
*** cpf_ has joined #zope11:47
*** hever has joined #zope11:48
*** nitrogenycs has joined #zope11:48
*** shastry has quit IRC11:52
*** shastry has joined #zope11:54
*** alexpilz has joined #zope11:55
*** shastry has quit IRC12:03
koshmoving zope to 3.x is going to be a while into the future and a lot of work12:04
betabughey kosh12:04
koshmost major python frameworks have a long time before they move over12:04
koshbetabug: you are finally here!12:04
* kosh sets betabug on fire12:04
betabugkosh: haven't had time to try anything of your stuff yet :-(12:05
koshso did you try my blob stuff?12:05
koshah darn12:05
betabugnope :-(12:05
*** ccomb has joined #zope12:05
betabugthings have been busy over the holidays and new year12:05
koshI even put a post on the mailing list and nobody has replied to it12:05
*** MrTango has joined #zope12:05
koshthey said originally I should post it as a patch so I did and no replies back12:05
betabugmy plan was to make a fresh install, put in a copy of our production data.fs and see it float / go down in flames (whichever comes first)12:06
koshso far I have not run into a single problem, probably going to put it into production soon12:06
koshbeen running lots of tests12:07
*** j-w has joined #zope12:07
koshand it has certainly helped12:13
koshanything with Files or Image object stuff should speed up nicely if you have zope setup correctly12:13
koshlower memory usage and faster file serving12:13
betabugand improved start / reindex / pack times12:14
koshthat part I have not tested, mine all start in a second or so anyways12:15
betabugwell, when I had to bring some stuff back from an old backup (point in time on a heap of repoze files), it had to start up without an index file... that took a while :-)12:16
betabugwhen the index is up to date, it's fast12:16
koshah that12:16
Phazorxkosh: i see... my question was actualy more on practical side12:16
Phazorxas in would it break if it is deployed on 3.012:17
Phazorxor 3.X12:17
betabugPhazorx: the thing with zope and python versions is that usually any change requires a lot of testing of the security stuff12:17
koshPhazorx: zope will not work with python 3.x in any way12:17
betabugas we have something called a "restricted python" environment for Thru-The-Web stuff12:17
betabugso Py3 with Zope is probably some way off still12:18
kosheven without that there is no way it would work12:18
koshthe c extensions won't work, lots of the code is not even valid in 3.x12:18
koshpython 3.x is a huge ammount of work for any large project12:18
kosheven pure python stuff like twisted will not work with 3.x and that is going to take a while to port12:19
koshredefining all strings to unicode will also break things12:19
kosh3.x is extremely different then 2.x, it is no simple upgrade12:20
*** fredvd has joined #zope12:21
koshPhazorx: it will be a long time before major projects work on 3.x, they made the upgrade a very hard one12:21
* kosh blames betabug12:26
betabugpour all the blame on me12:30
betabugwith my "it works, why change it" attitude I resisted all change!12:30
koshheh I agree with that12:31
kosha change in 2.14 might break some code I have but it will be a bitch to trace down12:31
koshif you do a catalog search now with no search parameters the catalog will no return no results instead of a the full result set12:31
koshso container.SomeCatalog() used to return everything now it returns nothing12:32
koshI don't get why they change how things work12:33
koshit has been that for MANY years, changing it could easily break code that is around and finding that code could seriously suck12:34
betabugkosh: hahahaha12:41
betabugin fact that was changed back and forth a couple of times12:41
betabugin some zope versions (minor ones I think) they changed it, then people protested and they changed it back12:41
betabugI think I have code in some project where I check for it and make sure I get a certain behaviour12:42
koshwhen they changed how getObject() worked to raise exceptions instead of returning None what I did was write an iterator that I stick in the root of every site and use that12:43
koshand made every catalog access go through those12:43
koshsince nothing other then a bare except accessible in normal python scripts I could find would catch it12:44
koshso if you hit an object that is security restricted you got a prompt during iteration instead of just dropping the result12:44
koshso my iterator will just drop all those items12:45
*** teix has joined #zope12:45
koshI Just don't like behavior changes12:46
*** tisto|away is now known as tisto12:47
*** mr_jolly has quit IRC12:58
*** mr_jolly has joined #zope12:59
*** martijn|4D has quit IRC13:02
*** martijn|4D has joined #zope13:03
*** alga has joined #zope13:07
*** Vejeta has joined #zope13:07
*** eperez has joined #zope13:47
*** thetet has quit IRC13:47
*** Theuni1 has quit IRC13:58
*** __mac__ has joined #zope14:01
*** Theuni1 has joined #zope14:01
*** Theuni1 has quit IRC14:04
*** menesis has quit IRC14:11
*** Theuni1 has joined #zope14:32
*** goschtl has quit IRC14:34
*** goschtl has joined #zope14:40
*** agroszer has joined #zope14:41
*** thetet has joined #zope14:41
*** goschtl has quit IRC14:46
*** menesis has joined #zope14:53
*** goschtl has joined #zope14:57
*** goschtl_ has joined #zope14:58
*** goschtl has quit IRC14:59
*** goschtl_ is now known as goschtl14:59
*** srichter has joined #zope15:03
*** ccomb has quit IRC15:07
*** FSCV has joined #zope15:10
*** AnneGilles has joined #zope15:13
*** ccomb has joined #zope15:26
*** jim_SFU has joined #zope15:44
*** jbg has joined #zope15:54
*** jim_SFU has quit IRC15:58
*** jbg is now known as jim_SFU15:58
*** Arfrever has joined #zope16:02
*** jim_SFU has quit IRC16:02
*** bowe has joined #zope16:17
*** nitrogenycs has quit IRC16:19
*** febb__ has joined #zope16:31
*** febb_ has quit IRC16:32
*** j-w has quit IRC16:42
*** nitrogenycs has joined #zope16:51
*** RiverRat has quit IRC16:54
heverIs any kind of pythons IF available in via tal ?17:01
mgedminif you've got python 2.5 or newer, you can do tal:content="python: X if condition else Y"17:06
mgedminif you've got 2.4, you have to do nasty nasty hacks like "python: condition and X or Y", which works only if bool(X) is True17:07
hevermgedmin, Is assignment in python: possible?17:10
mgedminto get assignment you do tal:define17:10
heverI've todo "s = s[3:] if s.startswith('xyz') else s"17:10
heverhmm. can I return values?17:11
mgedmintal:define="s_no_prefix python: s[3:] if s.startswith('xyz') else s"17:11
mgedminat this point let me ask you: why are you doing this in tal, and not in python?17:11
betabugmgedmin: took you some time :-)17:11
betabugI'd have asked much faster17:12
heverwe'll I'm in a page template on the filesystem...17:13
*** MrWu has joined #zope17:13
betabugwhich means that page template is called from some python method17:14
betabugwhich means you should do the work in that python method17:14
heverI'm not sure about that I'm chaning the return value of res.getPhysicalPath17:15
hevermgedmin, I tried this kind of if already and I don't understand your second one...17:17
mgedminI don't know what to say17:21
*** dvschramm has joined #zope17:21
mgedminactually, I don't know what exactly you're referring to by "my second one"17:21
heveroh I'm sorry... I just meant I tried your first if-example already myself and I don't understand your second if-example.17:23
mgedminthe and/or thing?17:23
mgedminyou don't need to understand it, you need to avoid it :)17:23
hever;) I agree ;)17:24
mgedminif you're curious, see, e.g.
*** alvaro_o has joined #zope17:27
*** wosc has quit IRC17:32
hevermgedmin, ok my fault was to have a whitespace after the semikolon after the python expression ;) The first if works, too ;) Thank you17:32
*** Theuni1 has quit IRC17:46
*** Phazorx has left #zope17:48
*** eperez has quit IRC17:49
*** giampaolo has joined #zope17:53
*** eperez has joined #zope17:56
*** eperez has quit IRC18:02
*** sunew has quit IRC18:02
*** alexpilz has quit IRC18:05
*** alexpilz has joined #zope18:14
*** giampaolo has quit IRC18:15
*** sylvain has quit IRC18:22
*** martijn|4D has quit IRC18:30
*** alga has quit IRC18:33
*** eperez has joined #zope18:35
*** alexpilz has quit IRC18:43
*** hever has quit IRC18:53
*** agroszer has quit IRC18:57
*** redir has quit IRC19:00
*** redir has joined #zope19:00
*** cpf_ has quit IRC19:06
nitrogenycshave there ever been any attempts to use neo4j with zope?19:10
*** tiwula has joined #zope19:20
*** jim_SFU has joined #zope19:20
*** eperez has quit IRC19:30
*** alvaro_o has quit IRC19:30
*** alvaro_o has joined #zope19:31
*** hever has joined #zope19:36
*** spanktar has joined #zope19:36
*** nebo has joined #zope19:39
*** AnneGilles has quit IRC19:47
*** astoon has joined #zope19:49
*** mitchell` is now known as mitchell`off19:57
*** fredvd has quit IRC20:03
*** tisto has quit IRC20:07
*** bowe has quit IRC20:18
*** FSCV1 has joined #zope20:18
*** menesis has quit IRC20:19
*** m8 has joined #zope20:21
*** FSCV has quit IRC20:21
*** nebo has quit IRC20:26
*** alecm has quit IRC20:34
*** benji has joined #zope20:36
*** MrWu has quit IRC20:38
*** jbg has joined #zope20:43
*** jim_SFU has quit IRC20:46
*** jbg is now known as jim_SFU20:46
*** AnneGilles has joined #zope20:47
*** benji has quit IRC20:49
*** benji has joined #zope20:50
*** rockfruit has quit IRC20:54
*** allisterb has quit IRC20:56
*** AnneGilles has quit IRC20:59
*** alecm has joined #zope21:00
*** alecm has joined #zope21:00
*** benji has quit IRC21:08
*** alexpilz has joined #zope21:08
*** rockfruit has joined #zope21:08
*** ccomb has quit IRC21:13
*** RiverRat has joined #zope21:16
*** jim_SFU has quit IRC21:18
*** rockfruit has quit IRC21:20
*** jim_SFU has joined #zope21:21
*** hever has quit IRC21:26
*** ccomb has joined #zope21:29
*** thetet has left #zope21:35
*** sm has joined #zope21:37
*** m8 has quit IRC21:37
*** benji has joined #zope21:47
*** alga has joined #zope21:51
*** benji has quit IRC21:56
*** teix has left #zope21:57
*** benji has joined #zope21:57
*** menesis has joined #zope21:59
*** alecm_ has joined #zope22:00
*** alecm_ has quit IRC22:00
*** River_Rat has joined #zope22:03
*** alecm has quit IRC22:03
*** RiverRat has quit IRC22:04
*** alecm has joined #zope22:28
*** thetet has joined #zope22:34
*** thetet has left #zope22:36
*** allisterb has joined #zope22:39
*** rmrf has joined #zope22:47
*** bowe has joined #zope22:57
*** __mac__ has quit IRC23:05
CIA-78andreasjung * r119607 zopyx.smartprintng.server/ (docs/HISTORY.txt updated23:17
*** evilbungle has joined #zope23:30
koshhail insane people!23:43
*** vipod has quit IRC23:45
CIA-78andreasjung * r119607 zopyx.smartprintng.server/ (docs/HISTORY.txt updated23:54
CIA-78andreasjung * r119608 /zopyx.smartprintng.server/tags/1.0.0: 1.0.023:54
CIA-78tlotze * r119609 zc.recipe.cmmi/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merged patricks-buildout1.5 branch, making tests pass with both zc.buildout 1.4 and 1.5 (fixes #695732)23:54
_mup_Bug #695732: zc.recipe.cmmi tests fail under zc.buildout 1.5.x <Buildout:Fix Committed> < >23:54
CIA-78tlotze * r119610 zc.recipe.cmmi/ (src/zc/recipe/cmmi/ CHANGES.txt): updated changelog, cleaned up imports, updated copyright year23:54
CIA-78cklinger * r119611 grokcore.xmlrpc/README.txt: added readme23:54
CIA-78cklinger * r119612 changed Readme23:54
CIA-78jinty jinty-webtest * r119613 zope.testbrowser/src/zope/testbrowser/fixed-bugs.txt: Remove stray Browser import statement23:54
CIA-78cklinger * r119614 grokcore.traverser/README.txt: changed readme23:54
CIA-78jinty * r119615 /zope.testbrowser/branches/jinty-webtest2: Make a branch of my branch for refactoring te test application and reducing depenencies23:54
CIA-78jinty jinty-webtest2 * r119616 zope.testbrowser/ (3 files in 3 dirs):23:55
CIA-78Remove dependency by re-implementing the test application as a23:55
CIA-78pure WebOb based application.23:55
CIA-78Currently the application needs to do some gymnastics to be 100% compatible23:55
CIA-78with the existing tests. In a 3rd branch, I'll remove the gymnastics by23:55
CIA-78refactoring the existing tests.23:55
CIA-78janwijbrand jw-documentation-rearangement * r119617 grok/doc/ copyright and dev mode unreleased marker thingy23:55
CIA-78janwijbrand * r119618 grok/ (34 files in 2 dirs): svn merge -r 119493:119617 svn+ssh:// .23:55
CIA-78janwijbrand * r119619 groktoolkit/ (doc documentation.cfg doc/_build): svn merge -r 119494:119564 svn+ssh:// .23:55
CIA-78thefunny42 * r119620 /grokcore.view/branches/sylvain-browsertemplate-baseclass: Add a small BrowserTemplate component23:55
CIA-78thefunny42 * r119621 /grokcore.view/branches/sylvain-browsertemplate-baseclass: Forget it.23:55
CIA-78janwijbrand * r119622 groktoolkit/ (documentation.cfg grok.cfg): add cronjob part, which is not installed by default. use the buildout "install" subcommand23:55
CIA-78janwijbrand * r119623 groktoolkit/documentation.cfg: fix cp source path23:55
CIA-78yuppie * r119624 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/ (browser/content/ skins/zpt_generic/ - added missing converter for 'hourly'23:55
CIA-78yuppie * r119625 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/browser/search/ - whitespace23:55
CIA-78yuppie * r119626 Products.CMFDefault/Products/CMFDefault/browser/admin/ ( - never use i18n messages as tokens23:55

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!