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| CIA-89 | satchit achapman-exc-info * r121663 zope.server/src/zope/server/http/ (wsgihttpserver.py tests/test_wsgiserver.py): Changed implementation to close the gap with the WSGI PEP. | 19:20 |
| CIA-89 | jens * r121664 Products.PluggableAuthService/ (CHANGES.txt Products/PluggableAuthService/version.txt): - release prep | 19:20 |
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| kosh | greetings non-sentient life forms! | 21:46 |
| benji | beep bloop beep | 21:49 |
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| sm | well, the time to lock down the zope wikis is at hand | 22:02 |
| kosh | why? | 22:03 |
| sm | multiple spam edits per day (across all wikis), cleanup has become too expensive | 22:05 |
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| kosh | nothing you can do to stop spam other then to disable comments | 22:08 |
| kosh | even stuff like blogger which has far more resources to use against spam then you will ever have still gets a lot through | 22:09 |
| sm | yup.. so it's lockdown time | 22:09 |
| * sm prepares the announcement | 22:09 | |
| kosh | blogs without comments are basically a news section | 22:15 |
| kosh | we are seeing more customers want blogs without any of the actual blog stuff | 22:15 |
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| mcdonc | rip zope wikis | 22:31 |
| sm | :-/ | 22:33 |
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| sm | mail sent. | 22:33 |
| kosh | it just seems that there are so many people that are so abusive now that there is nothing to really do about it | 22:33 |
| sm | it's the end of the Wiki Dream, man | 22:33 |
| sm | not really.. but the end of the wide-open, cooperative internet era | 22:34 |
| kosh | just wait soon spammers are going to target stuff like github and make spam commits to projects | 22:34 |
| sm | lovely :) | 22:34 |
| kosh | it is just a logical extension to what they do | 22:37 |
| kosh | every open system must be turned into a place to put spam | 22:37 |
| kosh | so anything that you can easily sign up for and put data in that is visible will be attacked | 22:37 |
| kiorky | so true ... | 22:38 |
| kosh | there is no technical solution to spam | 22:38 |
| kiorky | it's really a pain | 22:38 |
| kosh | what we need is for governments to actually do something about those who fund spam and the spammers | 22:38 |
| kiorky | even captchas are nowoday easily parsable with open source OCRS | 22:38 |
| kiorky | (well the only open soure OCR, tesseract) | 22:39 |
| kosh | captchas are now easier for computers then for people | 22:39 |
| kiorky | yep | 22:39 |
| kosh | if you make one that is hard for a computer then people will not get it | 22:39 |
| kiorky | i have generally to reenter 3 times a captcha | 22:39 |
| kiorky | ... | 22:39 |
| kosh | I had a captcha I had to try about 8 times yesterday | 22:39 |
| kosh | I read something recently that if someone ends up on a page with a captcha about 10% just immediately leave | 22:39 |
| kiorky | the yahoo ones & googles one are horrible | 22:39 |
| kiorky | even more on my HTC (phone) | 22:39 |
| kosh | god forbid you don't have the exact same color settings and contrast settings as the captcha was made on | 22:40 |
| kiorky | the only solution to spam is to not allow input ^^ | 22:40 |
| kiorky | or to pay some chineses to moderate them :) | 22:41 |
| kosh | so you pay the same firm trying to compromise your system to moderate it? | 22:42 |
| kiorky | there are russians | 22:42 |
| kiorky | :D | 22:42 |
| kiorky | 80% of my spam is from ex-urss countirs | 22:42 |
| kiorky | *countries | 22:42 |
| kosh | what I find really strange is probably 90% of all the attacks on my servers and especially the spam stuff comes from outside the first world | 22:43 |
| kosh | and less then 1% of legitimate customers come from outside the first world | 22:43 |
| kosh | sometimes I have thought of finding a way to just blob all access from anything that is not in the first world | 22:43 |
| kosh | setup iptables to just drop all that traffic | 22:43 |
| sm | zope@zope.org is still the main zope list.. right ? | 22:53 |
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| kosh | yeah pretty much | 23:02 |
| sm | according to beta.zope.org it is.. but https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/ is quiet. There's more action at https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/ | 23:03 |
| kosh | yeah that is what I mean, it is the main list technically but not practically | 23:03 |
| sm | I thought one of those lists was shut down | 23:04 |
| sm | or at least deprecated | 23:04 |
| sm | maybe I dreamed it | 23:06 |
| benji | zope3-dev was deprecated, that may be what you're thinking about | 23:06 |
| sm | ahh, thanks | 23:06 |
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