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| lewellyn | anyone know where to find versions of ZSyncer prior to 1.0.0? :P | 04:34 |
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| lewellyn | oh hah. found the version i needed. http://sourceforge.net/projects/zsyncer/files/ZSyncer/ZSyncer-0.7.1/ZSyncer-0.7.1.tgz/download :D | 04:36 |
| lewellyn | hrmpfh. i remember why i dislike ZSyncer's older versions now :P | 04:59 |
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| lewellyn | grr. guess i get to do this by hand. | 05:10 |
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| CIA-89 | janwijbrand * r121670 martian/CHANGES.txt: update changelog | 13:28 |
| thevishy | I am sending a request from a JS to Zope ... http://ideone.com/lezlU | 13:31 |
| thevishy | How to access this element / values in Zope2 | 13:31 |
| thevishy | This is JSON data ( sent from TinyMCE editor) | 13:31 |
| betabug | you need something to decode json | 13:32 |
| betabug | thevishy: there used to be a product called ZTinyMCE | 13:32 |
| betabug | which does TinyMCE integration | 13:32 |
| thevishy | this is new tinymce version (3.4.2) | 13:33 |
| betabug | hmm, download link is gone :-( | 13:33 |
| thevishy | so we are creating a new product | 13:33 |
| thevishy | How to see this raw JSON in request object, what is the attribute name | 13:35 |
| betabug | do a POST like that to a "Script (Python)" object you create and in the python script do a print context.REQUEST; return printed | 13:36 |
| betabug | then you can look at all the request stuff and see where it turns up | 13:36 |
| thevishy | ok, will try | 13:36 |
| thevishy | betabug: it didn't turn up :( | 13:41 |
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| betabug | hmm, no idea then | 13:42 |
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| thevishy | Right , we need to pull the data at the server side | 13:44 |
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| betabug | maybe look at this code: http://www.zope.org/Members/ree/jsonserver2 | 13:45 |
| betabug | it's a bit old, but maybe it gives you some ideas | 13:46 |
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| thevishy | will look into that | 13:47 |
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| thevishy | It looks like some monkey patch is required for ZPublisher.HTTPRequest.HTTPRequest | 13:53 |
| betabug | outch | 13:53 |
| thevishy | betabug: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/389823/ | 13:59 |
| thevishy | how to move forward, modify jsonserver2 or is there any other alternative | 14:00 |
| betabug | no idea, what zope products are you working with? do you really need Zope 2? | 14:01 |
| betabug | very few new projects use Zope 2 | 14:02 |
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| thevishy | betabug: it's an old product | 14:03 |
| thevishy | Zope 2 based | 14:03 |
| betabug | ah, ok | 14:05 |
| betabug | well, can't help you really, never had to do json on zope | 14:05 |
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| thevishy | thanks its a bit old product basically , needs to be continued | 14:08 |
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| betabug | yeah, I've got a few of that myself :-) | 14:10 |
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| thevishy | :) | 14:13 |
| kosh | betabug: what is sad is that even though very few new projects use zope 2 there is pretty much nothing else out there with a remotely comparable security track record | 14:15 |
| kosh | most have more security exploits in a week then zope does in a year | 14:15 |
| kosh | pyramid could be good if people set it to fail closed but the default is fail open but at least it is a one line change | 14:16 |
| kosh | the default for all other web frameworks I know is fail open which is just a security disaster | 14:16 |
| thevishy | How about Django ? | 14:16 |
| betabug | hey kosh | 14:16 |
| kosh | fail open | 14:16 |
| betabug | kosh: the "fail open" in pyramid is in "development mode"? | 14:17 |
| kosh | fail open means all access is allowed unless explicitely denied, fail closed means that all access is denied unless specifically allowed | 14:17 |
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| kosh | betabug: not it is a default security policy and when I looked the default security policy was allow but a one line change would make it default to deny | 14:17 |
| kosh | so pyramid looks like it could be used for fail closed with a trivial one time change | 14:18 |
| betabug | ah | 14:18 |
| kosh | still should not be required though | 14:18 |
| betabug | yes | 14:18 |
| kosh | but devs are used to fail open because it is easier to get started | 14:18 |
| kosh | they can just hurl anything they want and the system and it kind of works without any config | 14:18 |
| betabug | yeah | 14:18 |
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| betabug | not good in production though | 14:18 |
| kosh | which is also why they have such horrible security track records | 14:19 |
| kosh | I was reading a page on rails security recently that someone showed me | 14:19 |
| kosh | and rails has a lot of basic security issues that even zope from 10 years ago did not have | 14:19 |
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| kosh | some default configuration for how it does CRUD is also sql injectable | 14:20 |
| betabug | outch | 14:20 |
| kosh | so the docs where recomending that people don't do the processing in some default way | 14:20 |
| kosh | it just seems that we keep getting new framework after new framework with all kinds of features to make it much faster and lower server load to exploit your server ;) | 14:21 |
| kosh | so with the newest framework you can write far less code and get your exploitable server up and running in record time! | 14:21 |
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| betabug | haha | 14:22 |
| kosh | also while we may make fun of plone a lot for being slow, using lots of memory and being massively heavy in code that thing is like a god for security compared to the other cms | 14:23 |
| betabug | even if the crackers get in totally, they have to move so slow the police will arrive and arrest them in time | 14:24 |
| kosh | I may not like it very much but they did take security fairly seriously and built on a good foundation at least | 14:24 |
| kosh | zope 2 is pretty good at keeping people out, it is the greatest advantage it has | 14:25 |
| kosh | what annoys me about grok is that grok is fail open | 14:25 |
| kosh | overall pyramid looks like the best upgrade path right now | 14:28 |
| betabug | pyramid looks good | 14:30 |
| kosh | and you could still use zeo with it along with many other zope 2 technologies | 14:31 |
| betabug | yeah | 14:31 |
| betabug | lots of concepts work the same | 14:31 |
| betabug | there is less "included in the box", but ok | 14:31 |
| betabug | there will be more shopping around in the pypi bins, but then you maybe get what you really want | 14:32 |
| kosh | I expect it to take a lot more work then just using zope 2.x though unfortunately | 14:32 |
| betabug | yeah, could be | 14:32 |
| kosh | however it looks like you could at least build a remotely secure system | 14:33 |
| kosh | heh probably end up with a standard pyramid buildout of a bunch of normal things and call it pyramid.zope2 :) | 14:33 |
| betabug | hehe | 14:36 |
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| kosh | see you freaks later | 14:44 |
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| sm | lewellyn: http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/ZSyncer any use ? just how old is your zope ? | 17:15 |
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| teix | kosh: take note that already exists a repoze.zope2 package out there :) | 18:06 |
| teix | kosh: in other proposes though | 18:06 |
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