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| neutrino | hi, Is there any issue running zope in 64bit ubuntu? | 09:06 |
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| neutrino | I am having an issue with zope module when i try to create a new site in plone 4.0.7 https://gist.github.com/1066612 | 09:07 |
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| davisagli | neutrino: do you get any more info in the log on disk? (var/log/instance.log, probably) | 09:25 |
| neutrino | davisagli, just a moment, i will create another gist for the log | 09:27 |
| neutrino | davisagli, https://gist.github.com/1068998 | 09:30 |
| davisagli | neutrino: looks like it's having trouble determining your computer's timezone. you could try setting the TZ environment variable | 09:31 |
| neutrino | davisagli, where should i set that? | 09:32 |
| davisagli | neutrino: this looks like the same issue: http://www.khattam.info/solved-module-datetime-datetime-line-1145-in-tozone-2010-08-19.html | 09:33 |
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| neutrino | davisagli: seems like the problem is similar and I am too from Kathmandu, Nepal | 09:35 |
| neutrino | davisagli, thank a lot. | 09:42 |
| davisagli | neutrino: good luck! | 09:42 |
| neutrino | As you suggested, it was issue with the time zone | 09:42 |
| neutrino | davisagli, it there any way that i can fix this issue so that other developers doesn't have to bang theri head :) | 09:51 |
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| gypsymauro | hi, I've a 2.9.6 yes I know it's an old version but I can't upgrade right now :( is from 2 days that after a while it hangs and I dunno why, I can't enter in the ZMI but I can telnet on the port , how can I recognize what's wrong? | 10:33 |
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| MacYET | new www.zope.org alive | 13:46 |
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| bigkevmcd | shame there's a broken image on the front page | 13:54 |
| planetzopebot | Return a list of internationalized names of languages in Plone 4 (active questions tagged zope - Stack Overflow) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6608444/return-a-list-of-internationalized-names-of-languages-in-plone-4 | 14:08 |
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| Hackbard | Hello | 15:05 |
| Hackbard | I want to search in my hole zope for objects of an type how can i make that? | 15:10 |
| Hackbard | i have to say it is zope 2.10 | 15:11 |
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| kosh | bigkevmcd: what image do you see as broken? when I look at it the images all seem there and nothing strange shows up in network inspect on chrome | 16:46 |
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| kosh | bigkevmcd: my problem is that every resource gets a GET request on every access since they can't be cached without revalidataion | 16:46 |
| kosh | so the page loads in 2.3 seconds instead of .8 seconds from what I am looking at | 16:47 |
| kosh | and I bet that .8 seconds would be even lower without the load from all those get requests that get 304 each time | 16:47 |
| kosh | it is something I tried to bring up as a change but technical suggestions where not wanted | 16:48 |
| kosh | it is something that annoys me about web frameworks, they still won't do stuff the right way | 16:48 |
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| kosh | something is generating urls with a cache key so the url does look like it is unique to the resource | 16:49 |
| kosh | but the caching headers don't allow it to actually be cached without a roundtrip to the server for each validation | 16:50 |
| kosh | and it looks like a roundtrip to the server to check adds .3 seconds to the time with some in parallel | 16:50 |
| kosh | if they would be set to cache without needing to revalidate it would lower server load and also increase page speed for visitors | 16:50 |
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| RichardBarrell | kosh: we have used Varnish to solve that kind of issue before. | 17:23 |
| RichardBarrell | You can write a somewhat-frightening VCL file that munges headers according to regexes applied against incoming HTTP headers in order to replace the caching information that Zope is serving with information that is correct for your specific application. | 17:25 |
| RichardBarrell | It's pretty hairy but Varnish deals with it just fine and at high throughput. And as a bonus, you get to use Varnish's caching infrastructure along the way, which is hot-diggity-damn fast. | 17:26 |
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| kosh | RichardBarrell: heh varnish, yesterday two major sites I use both where dead many times with varnish errors | 17:28 |
| kosh | however the point is that if you generate a unique url for a resource then the browser should NEVER check back | 17:28 |
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| kosh | expires and cache-control headers should be set to some ridiculous number like 30 years or so | 17:29 |
| RichardBarrell | Yeah, Varnish is quite visible when it falls over. | 17:29 |
| kosh | the browser should not be checking back and getting a 304 over and over again | 17:29 |
| RichardBarrell | But from out experience when Varnish "falls over" and starts serving error messages it's invariably the backend servers behind it that have gone down. | 17:29 |
| kosh | since it does not matter how fast the server responds you are still slowing the entire system down by requiring a lot of additional connects | 17:29 |
| RichardBarrell | Yyyyyes. You can use VCL to rewrite the response headers so that Varnish will add the 30-year expiry and cache-control headers for you. That's what I was suggesting. :) | 17:30 |
| kosh | I had some pages that where made up of about 80 requests which is fairly low now and on a low latency link it was about 3 seconds to grab the page, by setting unique and permanent caching for all urls other then the actual html page the time went to .5 seconds | 17:31 |
| kosh | ah I see what you mean | 17:31 |
| RichardBarrell | I think that what you actually see on the 'net is not a large number of flaky failure-prone Varnish servers, but a large number of sites with flaky failure-prone backends that are being propped up by putting Varnish in front of them. | 17:31 |
| kosh | I actually solved that problem in zope since it only took me about an hour or so | 17:31 |
| RichardBarrell | Yeah, sorry I didn't explain it clearly enough. | 17:32 |
| kosh | I just don't get why frameworks don't do that by default now | 17:32 |
| kosh | it makes such a huge difference and lowers load by such an extreme ammount | 17:32 |
| kosh | and plone is obviously generating unique keys for most of that stuff | 17:33 |
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| kosh | having a unique key but requiring revalidation just seem insane | 17:33 |
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| RichardBarrell | Yes. | 17:46 |
| RichardBarrell | Yes it is. I presume that Plone's devs would welcome patches. | 17:46 |
| kosh | I doubt it | 17:47 |
| kosh | I have brought up some of the ideas before and had no interest on it | 17:48 |
| kosh | last time I tried to do anything with the plone community I found it was pretty hostile towards changes | 17:48 |
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| sm__ | g'day all | 18:12 |
| sm__ | I have made the zope3 wiki's skin consistent with the others, leaving that pond design for sole use of the foundation site | 18:13 |
| sm__ | and updated the intro blurb at http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/Zope3Wiki - corrections welcome | 18:13 |
| sm__ | if you see the old stylesheet you'll need to shift reload | 18:18 |
| kosh | give the new stylesheet a new url so that you don't need to do that :) | 18:19 |
| kosh | work with the browsers not against them | 18:19 |
| kosh | if the css changes it should have a new url and that url should be permanently cacheable | 18:19 |
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| sm__ | kosh: sorry, zwiki's skin isn't that smart. I'm hoping something will expire soon | 18:38 |
| sm__ | or jens will hear of this and flush the right cache | 18:39 |
| sm__ | I suppose I'd better mention it on list | 18:40 |
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| planetzopebot | www.zope.org relaunched (Site - Blog of Andreas Jung) http://www.zopyx.com/blog/www.zope.org-relaunched | 22:08 |
| planetzopebot | www.zope.org relaunched (gmane.comp.web.zope.announce) http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.announce/1505 | 22:08 |
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