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| planetzopebot | Plone Conference Earlybird Rate Deadline Extended by One Day - TODAY! (Plone News) http://plone.org/news/one-more-day-for-earlybird-tickets | 14:08 |
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| planetzopebot | August 19th Plone Tune-Up Focuses on Improving Plone's Accessibility (Plone News) http://plone.org/news/august2011accessibilitytuneup | 14:08 |
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| Solgema | hello! | 15:16 |
| Solgema | could you help me with that? | 15:16 |
| Solgema | http://pastie.org/2308741 | 15:16 |
| Solgema | I'm trying to delete a broken object from my zodb... :( | 15:16 |
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| Solgema | no idea? | 15:46 |
| Solgema | :( | 15:46 |
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| benji | Solgema: do you know what object(s) have a reference to the broken object? If so, you might be able to remove those links (assign None if it's an attribute, del it if it is in a container) | 15:51 |
| Solgema | benji thank you for your answer. what do you mean by " have a reference to the broken object" ? | 15:54 |
| Solgema | that object does not appear when I iterate through my zodb. | 15:55 |
| benji | Solgema: if you know which object(s) have a reference to the broken object, then you can remove those references and then the bad object won't affect anything any more (and you can pack it away) | 15:56 |
| Solgema | benji but how do I find that object(s) ? do you know a procedure? | 15:57 |
| benji | I'm afraid I don't. But I'm suprised you don't know at least one, normally broken objects cause problems when you reference them from another object. Why is this one causing you a problem? | 15:58 |
| Solgema | benji when I export my plone site and the reimport the zexp file, it throws me that error. | 15:59 |
| Solgema | and then. | 15:59 |
| benji | hmm, the only thing I can think of is that there are some scripts somewhere (ZODB3 project maybe) that will build an in-memory object graph that you can use to see which objects reference that one | 16:01 |
| benji | the other possibility is that the data is fine and you're hitting a bug in the export or import proceeses | 16:01 |
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| Solgema | No there is a problem in the zodb because I can load that object from storage. | 16:03 |
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| planetzopebot | How to search for ZCatalog object names (active questions tagged zope - Stack Overflow) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6912241/how-to-search-for-zcatalog-object-names | 17:08 |
| RaceCondition | are there any down-to-earth possible-to-understand tutorials/guides for http://pypi.python.org/pypi/z3c.form ? | 17:22 |
| RaceCondition | /pypi/z3c.form seems like rocket science if all you want to do is parse and validate HTTP POST requests (or similar) | 17:23 |
| kosh | hail freaks! | 17:23 |
| kosh | Solgema: actually the object could be broken in storage and probably is, you are probably loading the parent object | 17:25 |
| kosh | Solgema: it is likely that only one of the children of some visible object you are using is damaged | 17:25 |
| kosh | RaceCondition: sorry I have never used z3c.form | 17:26 |
| RaceCondition | kosh: looks like the same is gonna happen to me as well, as of now :P | 17:26 |
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| kosh | Solgema: what I would look for is to see if Products.CacheSetup is still installed on your system you are exporting from and importing to | 17:27 |
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| planetzopebot | WSGI: Bringing web frameworks closer together (Python Secret Weblog) http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2011/08/02/0 | 19:08 |
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| RaceCondition_ | let me reformulate my previous question: | 19:29 |
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| RaceCondition | I have a bunch for persistent classes for each of which there exists a schema; I'd like to be able to take a dict of raw values (from a request, or elsewhere, like command input) and have it generically/automatically parsed and validated according/against a schema | 19:30 |
| RaceCondition | what's the simplest way to achieving it? z3c.form seems like an order of magnitude more complicated and powerful than what I need | 19:30 |
| kosh | sorry that is just not how I have designed any of my systems and I wish I could help you but I need to get other stuff done right now, I hate moving :) | 19:44 |
| kosh | if you stick around though someone might be able to help you later or you could ask on the zope list | 19:44 |
| * kosh kicks betabug in the head to wake him up | 19:44 | |
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| RaceCondition | kosh: thanks, no hurry :) I'm just quite new to all the zope stuff, but like it nevertheless | 20:44 |
| RaceCondition | zope.schema provides everything we need, except raw data parsing | 20:44 |
| RaceCondition | although I could just write a simple generic implementation myself | 20:45 |
| RaceCondition | schema introspection and simple casting to appropriate Python types | 20:45 |
| RaceCondition | like Text* -> unicode, Bytes* -> str, Int -> int, Float -> float, etc... should be quite easy I assume | 20:47 |
| RaceCondition | schema.TypeName._type[0](raw_value) should even do it | 20:49 |
| kosh | I have never used any of those parts of zope | 20:51 |
| RaceCondition | you haven't used zope.schema? | 20:54 |
| kosh | nope | 20:54 |
| kosh | I have never seen a reason to | 20:54 |
| RaceCondition | yeah, I've never used Zope :) | 20:55 |
| kosh | I have been writing zope apps since zope 2.0 or so | 20:55 |
| kosh | so I wrote custom datatypes long ago for what I needed | 20:55 |
| RaceCondition | I'm sure I'd choose Grok/Plone for building a serious CMS, but for this type of project, ZCA, zope.schema and zope.security will suffice | 20:55 |
| RaceCondition | and ZODB | 20:55 |
| kosh | I have not used any of those directly except for ZODB | 20:56 |
| kosh | also I would not use Grok | 20:56 |
| kosh | I detest what they did with security | 20:56 |
| kosh | plone is a better choice then grok | 20:56 |
| kosh | groke is default allow, plone is default deny, zope 2 is default deny | 20:56 |
| RaceCondition | well, Grok is easier to, well, grok :) | 20:56 |
| kosh | I HATE default allow | 20:56 |
| RaceCondition | I'm sure it's easy to change Grok to deny by default | 20:57 |
| kosh | it is beyond idiotic and probably 99% of web frameworks are designed that way | 20:57 |
| kosh | I did not see a setting for that | 20:57 |
| kosh | but all web frameworks should be default deny | 20:57 |
| RaceCondition | yeah, but it's consitutes about 1% of what I'd base my decision on :P | 20:57 |
| RaceCondition | anyway, gtg | 20:57 |
| kosh | default allow is why we have so many security problems | 20:57 |
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