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| mejo | hey | 12:54 |
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| mejo | do you plan to release zope 2.12.21 and 2.13.11 with fixed vulnerability anytime soon? | 12:55 |
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| zopeplanetbot | Security vulnerability announcement: 20110928 - Arbitrary Code Execution (Plone News) http://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/20110928 | 13:08 |
| zopeplanetbot | Security vulnerabiity 20110928: Arbitrary CodeExecution (pre-announcement) (gmane.comp.web.zope.announce) http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.announce/1509 | 13:08 |
| zopeplanetbot | PyCon DE 2011 - Three Keynotes: From the Outside, From the Inside, and Scientific (The PyCon blog) http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/09/pycon-de-2011-three-keynotes-from.html | 13:08 |
| zopeplanetbot | Great Training Options Still Available on the Eve of Plone Conference 2011 in San Francisco (Plone News) http://plone.org/news/still-time-for-training | 13:08 |
| betabug | what's it with all those security vulns popping up in the *new* zope versions lately? | 13:10 |
| lewellyn | no one targets the old ones anymore ;) | 13:10 |
| lewellyn | moral of the story: never upgrade! | 13:10 |
| betabug | lewellyn: well, they obviously tested if the problem is around in old ones | 13:10 |
| betabug | lewellyn: not always an option | 13:11 |
| lewellyn | yeah, but the "bad guys" aren't poking at the old things which likely have unpatched/unpatchable bugs as they're a smaller surface area of the internet | 13:11 |
| betabug | but a review of the new code changes would probably be a good thing | 13:11 |
| betabug | lewellyn: I don't think so, there are spammers targetting old coreblog installs for example | 13:12 |
| lewellyn | spam's easy. security vulns is not as easy. | 13:12 |
| d2m | betabug: is the zopeplanetbot new? | 13:13 |
| betabug | anyway, that announcement got stuck somewhere in the planetzope/irc bot pipeline for a while | 13:13 |
| betabug | d2m: dunno, I don't see joins/leaves | 13:13 |
| d2m | whasn't it called planetzopebot before? | 13:13 |
| d2m | ok, will check with sm | 13:13 |
| betabug | d2m: btw, what would it take to continue running the planet? | 13:14 |
| d2m | nerves like steel ;) | 13:14 |
| betabug | hahaha, it's that messy? | 13:14 |
| d2m | no, its unattended, works without problems | 13:15 |
| mejo | no plans to release fixed zope2.12 and 2.13 yet? | 13:15 |
| betabug | how about hardware / bandwidth? | 13:15 |
| d2m | no, its just the content that makes me sad, people stopped blogging | 13:17 |
| d2m | zope people at least | 13:17 |
| betabug | mejo: I haven't seen any release date mentioned, I guess the answer is "when they are ready", as was mentioned in the security announcement | 13:17 |
| betabug | d2m: yeah | 13:17 |
| betabug | well, in my case it will pick up again, maybe not to what it was, but I plan to write a bit more | 13:18 |
| mejo | betabug: interestingly, the fix is already commited to zope2.12 svn branch at least. | 13:18 |
| betabug | gotta get some PR for my new business :-D | 13:18 |
| d2m | betabug: whats your next business? | 13:18 |
| betabug | I created a company, I'll do freelancing basically, working together with others if projects are big | 13:19 |
| d2m | same here ;) | 13:19 |
| betabug | new projects, maintaining old stuff, whatever | 13:19 |
| betabug | great! | 13:19 |
| betabug | so I'd like to help keep the planet around | 13:19 |
| d2m | so, basically planetzope.org has some 50 requests a day, won't even pay its share through google adsense | 13:20 |
| betabug | I can imagine | 13:20 |
| d2m | yes, its that bad - really | 13:20 |
| betabug | so how can I support you there? or you prefer to pass on running the planet to someone else? | 13:22 |
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| d2m | betabug: nice idea | 13:31 |
| betabug | which one? :-) | 13:31 |
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| zopeplanetbot | #planetzope Just changed the filter at planetzope.org to ['zope', 'zope2', (Michael Haubenwallner - Google+ User Feed) https://plus.google.com/108931164613660994654/posts/V8PJttKLeew | 15:09 |
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| kosh | betabug: hail evil creature! | 15:29 |
| betabug | hey kosh | 15:30 |
| kosh | it is pretty strange we have so many security problems recently | 15:30 |
| betabug | indeed | 15:30 |
| kosh | especially since none of the recent ones I have read of work on older versions | 15:30 |
| betabug | yupp | 15:31 |
| betabug | looks like some people did some changes to code that was ok for a long time | 15:31 |
| kosh | and those changing the code I don't think really care much about zope anymore | 15:32 |
| kosh | it is not cool enough anymore | 15:32 |
| kosh | one major thing I have seen is that there seems to be a general view against anything reliable and stable in technology for web stuff right now | 15:36 |
| kosh | everything is burn down and start over regardless of if the new system is actually better | 15:36 |
| kosh | it is just important to constantly be burning down and starting over | 15:36 |
| betabug | yes, "a rewrite will get rid of all the bugs" -> but then there will be new bugs | 15:37 |
| kosh | people completely switch frameworks every year or so, so no point in learning how the framework works so you can use it effectively | 15:37 |
| kosh | a rewrite tends to reintroduce a lot of old fixed bugs :) | 15:37 |
| betabug | that too | 15:38 |
| kosh | the new systems are usually massive security holes, slow, lose data but that does not matter they are cool and that is all that matters | 15:38 |
| kosh | web 2.0 distributed systems with ajax everywhere and nosql databases even for tiny systems that have no need of scaling and constantly screw up | 15:39 |
| kosh | one reason I am glad to be moving away from this | 15:41 |
| kosh | people even talk about making their sites faster by moving to this tech but that does not work | 15:41 |
| kosh | meanwhile I have a method that works on any web tech to speed a site up a HUGE ammount that is easy to do and people just don't care because it is not a cool method for doing it, it is just one that works in all cases | 15:42 |
| benji | kosh: care to elucidate? | 16:03 |
| kosh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Rfm6bwWnc I made a video on it for one of my classes | 16:05 |
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| kosh | it is use Cache-Control, Expires, and permanent urls | 16:05 |
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| sm | d2m: yes the bot got renamed to as part of a cleanup on my end | 16:46 |
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| d2m | sm, fine - just asking because the bot picked up older entries | 17:55 |
| sm | d2m: ack, I'll investigate. I've recently worked on it to prevent exactly that | 17:57 |
| sm | d2m: which was an old entry ? | 18:00 |
| sm | oh I see | 18:02 |
| d2m | sm, maybe the issue was caused by me | 18:05 |
| betabug | hey sm! how's life? | 18:05 |
| d2m | i removed 'plone' from the filter, thus some entries disappeared | 18:05 |
| d2m | sm, i suppose you use a queue for storing rss items and checking for new ones | 18:07 |
| sm | hey guys | 18:07 |
| sm | yeah let's see if rss2irc did the right thing.. here's the change: https://gist.github.com/81e033ee3b533e65d2b3 | 18:08 |
| sm | current strategy is (should be) "take all new items appearing anywhere in the feed" where "new" means "pub date more recent that previous top item's" and "id not matching the last 200 items seen" | 18:09 |
| d2m | sm, everything ok, was just a transient issue | 18:10 |
| sm | so there has actually only been one security announcement in recent months, hopefully | 18:12 |
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| sm | rss2irc not behaving as intended here, it should have rejected those since they had older dates. Good to know | 18:12 |
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| kosh | see you freaks later | 18:18 |
| sm | later kosh | 18:18 |
| kosh | and watch my video if you want to learn about how to make websites much much faster via simple caching | 18:19 |
| kosh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Rfm6bwWnc | 18:19 |
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| betabug | rss tools often misbehave when you remove stuff, it's a common oversight | 18:31 |
| sm | yeah I'm trying hard to make it always do something sensible right now | 18:34 |
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| sm | should be fixed! | 18:54 |
| sm | d2m: please feel free to change your feed often, it's quite helpful :) | 18:54 |
| d2m | sm ;) | 18:55 |
| sm | testing this stuff is quite tricky/tedious | 18:55 |
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| sm | so have y'all seen runyaga's announcement of ptah on the plone list ? probably not ? sounds interesting! | 18:56 |
| sm | should show up in the feed soon I expect | 18:58 |
| sm | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/28159 | 18:58 |
| * sm breakfasts | 18:59 | |
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| betabug | interesting | 19:43 |
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| kosh | betabug: oh that video I linked to is my revised video, it is much faster paced then before with some additional information including where a zope product is to accomplish the same task along with the headers needed in the video description | 20:32 |
| kosh | betabug: so thanks for the feedback on my earlier version it helped a lot | 20:32 |
| betabug | kosh: great! you're welcome | 20:33 |
| kosh | now if only I could get others to actually adopt the stuff in that video | 20:33 |
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| kosh | betabug: out of curiosity do you have excel 2010 and want to see a 3d terrain simulator in it? ;) | 20:33 |
| betabug | nope, no excel here | 20:34 |
| kosh | I just have a class on engineering with excel | 20:35 |
| kosh | so I went WAY WAY overboard and created a 3d terrain generator | 20:35 |
| betabug | hahaha | 20:36 |
| kosh | the project that won last year was a 2d graphic calculator that was very slow and only did simple functions | 20:36 |
| kosh | I can generate rivers, ridges, lakes, mountains, and change ground level all with it being randomly generated now I just have to get rotation working :) | 20:36 |
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| kosh | betabug: I really realy badly abused excel :) | 20:39 |
| betabug | looks like :-) | 20:39 |
| kosh | the professor and TAs have looked at the project and say they can't help me with it at all since it has gone beyond everything they know how to do with excel | 20:40 |
| betabug | har har | 20:41 |
| betabug | do you get your money back for the course? | 20:41 |
| kosh | no | 20:42 |
| kosh | they would not even let me test out of it | 20:43 |
| kosh | but someone suggested I actually submit the program to microsoft and some professional engineers have even asked to look at it so who knows it might help in the future | 20:43 |
| lewellyn | "this is what happens when you don't allow testing out of courses: the students get bored. next semester, i'm going to simulate nuclear explosions at the school." | 20:53 |
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| repr | hi | 21:03 |
| repr | Is it possible to download the xsl files for ide's completion? | 21:04 |
| kosh | lewellyn: yeah I was very bored and have gone so far beyond what the class wants it is not even funny | 21:27 |
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