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| fgs | zope.contenttypes could use an update | 02:55 |
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| fgs | hi btw | 02:55 |
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| mgedmin | what sort of an update? | 03:07 |
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| fgs | pps has the wrong type | 03:17 |
| fgs | and lots of other common formats are missing | 03:18 |
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| mgedmin | I'm sure people will thank you if you make those updates ;) | 03:38 |
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| fgs | good try ;) | 03:51 |
| fgs | i might submit a diff later for at least pps | 03:51 |
| fgs | as we got bitten by it this week | 03:52 |
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| thevishy | I am trying to hack a python code to Zope | 07:18 |
| thevishy | sorry PHP* | 07:18 |
| thevishy | /$textinputs = $_POST['textinputs']; # array is the variable | 07:18 |
| thevishy | in Zope however I dont see this as a variable I see .... | 07:18 |
| thevishy | request['textinputs[]'] | 07:19 |
| thevishy | '%3Cp%3E%0A%09This%20is%20some%20%3Cstrong%3Esample%20text%3C%2Fstrong%3E.%20You%20are%20using%20%3Ca%20href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fckeditor.com%2F%22%3ECKEditor%3C%2Fa%3E.%3C%2Fp%3E%0A' | 07:19 |
| thevishy | I see textinputs[] .... as a string and not an array as PHP would have it | 07:19 |
| kosh | turn your array into a text string that you can turn back into an array | 07:23 |
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| thevishy | but u mean a simple array ? | 07:35 |
| thevishy | in PHP code , this is how they use it | 07:35 |
| thevishy | foreach( $textinputs as $key=>$val ) { | 07:36 |
| kosh | php arrays are not like what other languages call arrays | 07:37 |
| kosh | and you can't just post a data structure to another server | 07:37 |
| kosh | posts are strings | 07:37 |
| kosh | so encode your data as some kind of string that you can then convert back | 07:37 |
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| thevishy | kosh its a urlencoded HTML string | 07:53 |
| thevishy | so I am wondering in Python how would I do the equivalent of PHP's foreach( $textinputs as $key=>$val ) { echo "textinputs[$key] = decodeURIComponent(\"" . $val . "\");\n"; | 07:53 |
| thevishy | for one , I see a big string basically | 07:54 |
| thevishy | in the request - cant understand whays key value pair here | 07:54 |
| kosh | it is a single string and would have to be parsed, I don't have a clue how php works | 08:00 |
| kosh | normally what I would do is have each one a seperate variable since that makes it far far simpler to deal with | 08:01 |
| kosh | good luck I am heading out | 08:02 |
| thevishy | thanks | 08:13 |
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| davetoo | Why am I having such a hard time finding info/docs about OFS? | 09:22 |
| davetoo | :) | 09:22 |
| betabug | likely because docs are a mess | 09:22 |
| betabug | davetoo: what are you looking for? | 09:23 |
| davetoo | I'm working with a (big) app based on zope 2.13.8 ... trying to understand the workigns, | 09:23 |
| davetoo | and in particular... how to walk down the object tree from the top ... | 09:24 |
| davetoo | ..with filters... to try to create a graph to visualize in Gephi | 09:24 |
| betabug | hu? that's the simplest thing ever (or else I don't get you) | 09:24 |
| davetoo | I'm still trying to orient myself | 09:25 |
| betabug | get the root object, then use objectIds() or objectValues() to get the subobjects | 09:25 |
| davetoo | 'k | 09:25 |
| betabug | (objectValues gets, the objects - so it's more expensive) | 09:25 |
| davetoo | what is the purpose of OFS? | 09:25 |
| davetoo | I can't even find a README under that folder :(: | 09:25 |
| betabug | you can give them a list of meta_types if you want only certain type of objects | 09:25 |
| betabug | it's just a bunch of stuff | 09:26 |
| davetoo | 'k | 09:26 |
| betabug | read the Zope 2 book, read the "Zope 2 Secrets", maybe read the "Zope 2 dev guide" | 09:26 |
| betabug | worry about the zope code only if you get stuck after that :-) | 09:26 |
| davetoo | thing is... I know I've seen some docs about OFS before but can't find it again | 09:26 |
| davetoo | Secrets is one I've not heard of before; I'll look for that. | 09:26 |
| betabug | consider OFS simply like a namespace in the code | 09:27 |
| davetoo | ok, | 09:27 |
| davetoo | not really a separate Product | 09:27 |
| betabug | http://docs.zope.org/ -> "Zope secrets" | 09:27 |
| davetoo | heh.. there's so much, and yet so little, out there :) Easy to go around in circles (and dead links) trying to find this stuff. | 09:28 |
| betabug | indeed | 09:28 |
| betabug | and some of it is for stuff that's outdated by 5 or even 10 years | 09:28 |
| davetoo | yeah, and hopefully I won't need to know it, but .. in supporting this app I at least need to know where to look if I do get stuck. | 09:29 |
| betabug | right, I know the feeling :-) | 09:29 |
| davetoo | The best thing I've ever done in the time I've been working with this app is to find IPython | 09:29 |
| betabug | dunno, never used that | 09:30 |
| davetoo | I know it's got some quirks but .. it makes exploration so easy | 09:30 |
| betabug | I've only recently started to use the debugger really :-) | 09:30 |
| davetoo | iot | 09:30 |
| davetoo | it's many things, but I mostly use it as an interactive python shell. It's got great tab completion, introspection, | 09:30 |
| davetoo | lots of cool stuff. it's worth looking into. | 09:31 |
| betabug | nice | 09:31 |
| davetoo | so objectIds is recursive? | 09:32 |
| davetoo | oh, it's not. | 09:32 |
| betabug | no, it's basically like ls in the shell | 09:32 |
| betabug | it gets you the ids of the objects contained | 09:33 |
| betabug | objectValues will get you the child objects themselves - which can be expensive in terms of RAM and DB caches | 09:33 |
| davetoo | I always use .__dict__ :) ipython has has a magic directive, so %page obj.__dict__ is easy | 09:33 |
| betabug | depending on what you need really | 09:33 |
| davetoo | yeah, I do have to be careful about memory here. | 09:33 |
| betabug | well, .__dict__ will get you all kind of stuff, objectIds will get you Zope child objects | 09:34 |
| davetoo | I had used objectMap() to poke around, in the past | 09:35 |
| betabug | never seen that one | 09:35 |
| davetoo | oh, | 09:36 |
| davetoo | oh, nevermind, | 09:36 |
| davetoo | I'm tired. | 09:36 |
| davetoo | but then again.. it is actually tehre | 09:37 |
| davetoo | return tuple(map(lambda dict: dict.copy(), self._objects)) | 09:37 |
| davetoo | ObjectManager.objectMap | 09:37 |
| davetoo | shows the object ID and metatype | 09:38 |
| betabug | aha | 09:40 |
| betabug | just never needed that | 09:40 |
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| textjunky | hi just locked everyone out of a friends zope without making a backup, by disabling 'basic auth' imagining that cookie auth would suddenly start working :\ | 15:02 |
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| textjunky | any help appreciated | 15:02 |
| textjunky | tells me the following things don't exist: http://127.0.0.1:8080/acl_users/credentials_basic_auth/login_form | 15:03 |
| textjunky | http://127.0.0.1:8080/acl_users/credentials_cookie_auth/login_form | 15:04 |
| textjunky | the second one is what is not found when trying to login | 15:04 |
| textjunky | the first is a permutation i made manually | 15:04 |
| textjunky | this is zope 2.6 | 15:05 |
| textjunky | is the situation recoverable? | 15:05 |
| textjunky | can i migrate a zope db to a new instance? | 15:05 |
| textjunky | if i make an emergency user, will it be able to log in, despite my having disabled basic auth? | 15:06 |
| textjunky | site is still running, just nothing that needs auth is working afaict | 15:06 |
| textjunky | can i hexedit the zope db? | 15:06 |
| textjunky | <textjunky> i guess i am an idiot | 15:09 |
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| betabug | disable basic auth? how would one do that? | 17:02 |
| textjunky | maybe better not to ask ;-) | 17:09 |
| betabug | why not? if I undestood what you did, maybe I could offer an idea how to fix it | 17:10 |
| betabug | s/undest/underst/ | 17:10 |
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| kosh | probably have to repair zope from the cli | 17:30 |
| kosh | being able to access zope from interactive python if running zeo is GREAT for fixing stuff | 17:31 |
| kosh | too bad he left | 17:31 |
| kosh | betabug: so how are you doing today? | 17:31 |
| * lewellyn hands kosh a spare flamethrower in case textjunky returns | 17:31 | |
| kosh | you realy think that I would EVER need a spare flamethrower? | 17:32 |
| lewellyn | spare to me. "seeking a better home" | 17:33 |
| kosh | hehe | 17:34 |
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| kosh | hail J1m have you come to see if betabug's homeland has finally walked into the light by going after their bankers? :) | 17:36 |
| J1m | Heh, are you responding to my facebook post on the NYT article? | 17:40 |
| kosh | nope I have not looked at that | 17:41 |
| kosh | it is just a joke I make with betabug a lot so I wanted to know if you had come to watch | 17:41 |
| J1m | heh, no | 17:41 |
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| kosh | some of the huge currency traders have really screwed over some countries and at the same time those traders publically have said how what they did really helped the country long term | 17:42 |
| J1m | Very interesting article in the New York Times today about how the geniuses in the US Fed missed the coming troubles in '06. | 17:42 |
| kosh | surprised those countries have not sent out people to "help" the currency traders | 17:42 |
| J1m | I've had similar thoughts about all of the local governments around the world that got screwed by clueless financial advisers and got left holding the bag. | 17:43 |
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| kosh | in some cases local governments bought AAA bonds which they are required to by law (guess you paid for that law) and those bonds where not really AAA and the banks knew it | 17:44 |
| J1m | (sufficient levels of cluelessness are indistinguishable from evil) | 17:44 |
| kosh | they used a law to get local governments to buy their stuff knowing that was going to fail | 17:44 |
| J1m | I suspect a lot of banks didn't know it. Almost no one knew what was really happening. | 17:45 |
| kosh | and a major lesson you learn is don't write down paper or email memos about this stuff if you do it | 17:45 |
| J1m | which doesn't excuse them imo | 17:45 |
| J1m | We're not nearly as smart as we think we are | 17:45 |
| J1m | ok, back to work | 17:46 |
| kosh | goldman sachs had some internal memos get out where they knew that what they where selling was going to fail and not even close to AAA so they sold it to places like school disticts which by law had to put money being saved for new buildings etc into AAA bond stuff | 17:46 |
| kosh | have fun | 17:46 |
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| J1m | mcdonc, have you given any consideration to trace logs in waitress? | 21:42 |
| mcdonc | i haven't, but repoze.debug generates output similar to that of zope's trace log: http://docs.repoze.org/debug/responselogger.html#trace-log | 21:43 |
| J1m | Yeah, that's the right spirit. but not enough for me. :) | 21:45 |
| J1m | For example, I often wanna know how long a request is queues waiting for a thread. (In servers w thread pools.) | 21:46 |
| J1m | I assume waitress still has a thread pool. | 21:46 |
| J1m | I sometimes (much less often) wanna know how long the server spends receiving input (for servers that buffer) or sending output (zope.server conspires against this). | 21:47 |
| J1m | zc.zservertracelog was a quick hack (that's lived on as these things do) that I want to replace with something more general. | 21:48 |
| J1m | But I need the collaboration of the server. | 21:48 |
| mcdonc | right | 21:48 |
| mcdonc | i can do that | 21:49 |
| J1m | Here are somethoughts. | 21:50 |
| J1m | I'd like to defer as much to middleware as possible. | 21:50 |
| J1m | I was thinking that the server could put something in the environment that middleware could optionally interact with. | 21:51 |
| J1m | But not sure exactly what. | 21:51 |
| J1m | Some of what I want is specific to servers with thread pools. | 21:52 |
| J1m | Not sure how common those are. | 21:52 |
| mcdonc | pretty common i think | 21:54 |
| mcdonc | paste.httpserver has an (optional) threadpool, the cherrypy server has one | 21:54 |
| mcdonc | waitress, zope.server | 21:54 |
| J1m | so, what if there was an object in the environment with addrs: | 21:55 |
| mcdonc | in any case i can add logging statements to waitress to log to a specific logger when a task is added to the task list | 21:55 |
| J1m | start-time -- the time the request started | 21:56 |
| mcdonc | then when it's started, and when it finishes | 21:56 |
| J1m | oops start_time | 21:56 |
| J1m | queue_time -- the time the request is queued | 21:56 |
| J1m | end_callback(f) -- specify a callback to be called at end. | 21:56 |
| J1m | this would be an alternative to logging. | 21:56 |
| J1m | OK, we have 2 approaches on the table. :) | 21:57 |
| J1m | for logging, you'd need to log 3 events: start, queue and end. | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | during one of the EuroPythons there was a talk about monitoring web servers by some Googler | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | one thing stuck with me: every request gets a unique id | 21:58 |
| J1m | The server and middlware would need to conspire on the logger name. | 21:58 |
| J1m | Yup | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | then there are log messages for start, stop, errors etc. that mention that ID | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | ever since then I wanted to have a detailed log and pretty visual graphs of this kind of data | 21:58 |
| mcdonc | is there also a way to get the length of the tcp listen queue hmm | 21:58 |
| J1m | which means the middware and apps need that id too. | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | zc.zservertracelog gives me the first part | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | I haven't got around to the visual bits... | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | so, a unique request ID might be a nice addition to the spec, perhaps | 21:59 |
| J1m | We've done some nice visual graphs using rrd driven by tracelogs. | 21:59 |
| J1m | so, I think we need to stuff something in the environment in any case. | 22:00 |
| J1m | Dang, sorry, I've got a meeting. | 22:00 |
| J1m | I'll send you an email. | 22:00 |
| mcdonc | i'll just make some lame event system and publish accepted, queued, finished events and also log | 22:00 |
| mcdonc | then we can do whatever the needful is i think | 22:00 |
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| J1m | mcdonc, sorry for the drive by. I sent an email. | 23:23 |
| mcdonc | J1m: np.. i'll respond in a while, thanks for sending | 23:23 |
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