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| davetoo | textarea ==> list vs textarea ==> single string? | 01:12 |
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| davetoo | (yeah, I think I just answered my own question there. must be.) | 01:12 |
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| Brace | I've inherited an old zope/plone website, unfortunately the server crashed yesterday and it seems to have killed zope and the website won't come back up | 18:00 |
| betabug | how did you try to start it up? | 18:00 |
| Brace | when I run zopectl fg, I get messages such as ERROR root Exception while rendering an error message and AttributeError: main_template | 18:00 |
| Brace | and the website is at www.legulcerforums.org (for the error message there if you want to look at that) | 18:01 |
| betabug | Brace: can you put the output on a pastebin? | 18:01 |
| betabug | the output of zopectl fg | 18:01 |
| Brace | zopectl in the zope instance bin/ dir, there is also a init.d script for zope which I've tried | 18:02 |
| Brace | ok willdo | 18:02 |
| Brace | http://pastebin.com/bhBp7AXf | 18:03 |
| Brace | and it's legulcerforum.org (no 's' sorry) | 18:04 |
| Brace | I've tried completely restoring the whole instance from backups, but that doesn't seem to make any difference | 18:04 |
| betabug | doesn't look like a broken db | 18:05 |
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| betabug | actually this doesn't look like errors you'd get when your zope doesn't want to start up | 18:10 |
| Brace | sorry, should be more explict, zope will start, but then doesn't display a site, the error message starts 'Site Error: An error was encountered while publishing this resource. ' | 18:11 |
| Brace | if you go to http://www.legulcerforum.org/ you should see the error message | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | Brace, can you log into the ZMI? | 18:12 |
| betabug | I avoid going to unknown sites that people give me on IRC :-) | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | https://.../manage_main | 18:12 |
| Brace | betabug: fair enough :D | 18:12 |
| Brace | I'll pastebin it for you | 18:12 |
| Brace | http://pastebin.com/xGE7d8im | 18:13 |
| Brace | mgedmin: yes, that does work | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | Brace, if you go to the error log there, you should see a better traceback | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | it should tell you which page template expression failed | 18:15 |
| Brace | 'No exceptions logged' in the error_log | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | have you restarted zope after you last got that error? | 18:16 |
| Brace | but when I go to 'legulcerforums.org/manage_addProduct/SiteErrorLog/manage_addErrorLog' I get a site error | 18:16 |
| Brace | well currently zope is running as 'zopectl fg' in a screen window | 18:17 |
| Brace | I guess I should start it properly? | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | no, that's fine | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | I don't remember if the error log gets wiped on restart, but it sounds plausible | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | http://www.legulcerforum.org/ says "http://www.legulcerforum.org/news/folder_listing" | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | and "(Also, the following error occurred while attempting to render the standard error message, please see the event log for full details: main_template)" | 18:18 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 18:19 | |
| mgedmin | you need to debug this | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | (or restore from backups, if you're not up for debugging) | 18:19 |
| Brace | part of the site is working - www.legulcerforum.org/imagebanks which uses ZPhotoSlides (I wouldn't visit that URL as Leg Ulcers are really horrible to look at) | 18:19 |
| Brace | sadly, these are the backups :( | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | ah! and here I was assuming "legulcer" was a french word or something | 18:20 |
| Brace | I've tried two different backup sets already | 18:20 |
| Brace | nope, it's not, it's a rather grim medical thing | 18:21 |
| Brace | ok well thanks for your help, I'll start looking at the debugging section of the website | 18:22 |
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| Brace | is there any mileage in installing a more recent version of zope and trying that? as the version on this server is *very* old? | 18:23 |
| betabug | you need the version of zope that matches with your version of plone | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | upgrading zope usually leads to more errors, not less | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | as you find your products are incompatible etc. | 18:24 |
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| Brace | mgedmin: betabug: fair enough I had a feeling you'd say something like that | 18:42 |
| Brace | how possible is it to recover the text and stuff from the site and put it all on another server? | 18:44 |
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| mgedmin | definitely possible | 18:44 |
| Brace | i.e. is there a database viewer for the data.fs file? | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | ooh ooh ohh! | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zodbbrowser | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | I've never tried it on Zope 2 files | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | it'll probably fail | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | but it might work ;) | 18:48 |
| Brace | I'll give it a try, thanks :D | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | I've also a set of tools for converting Zope 2 sites to static sites that parse the .zexp format produced when you import the site from the ZMI | 18:49 |
| * mgedmin migrated his personal website from zope 2 to blogofile a couple of weeks ago and freed 1 gig of RAM on his server | 18:50 | |
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| Brace | never heard of blogofile, but looks a bit like the old Greymatter software | 18:56 |
| Brace | which I thought was really rather good | 18:56 |
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| sm | hey congrats mgedmin | 19:23 |
| sm | I've been meaning to do that forever | 19:23 |
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| sm | though mine is only using a couple of hundred M, but I can use those | 19:25 |
| sm | I'll snapshot zwiki.org with wget, I think | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | that's what I did for out internal company zwiki | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | *our | 19:25 |
| * mgedmin checks his /root/Changelog | 19:26 | |
| mgedmin | ah, we wanted to upgrade that server to ubuntu 10.04, and discovered that zope2.10 and zope-zwiki were removed from the archive | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | so I set up python-moinmoin instead and spidered the old wiki with wget | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | (oh that was a fun upgrade...) | 19:30 |
| sm | booo moinmoin! sssssss! | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | :) | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | I briefly considered ikiwiki | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | but wasn't sure I wanted to hack perl if I needed something nonstandard | 19:32 |
| sm | exactly... | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | moin was... painful | 19:32 |
| sm | still using it ? | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | for som evalues of using | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | 10 edits since july 2011 | 19:33 |
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| mlechner | zope2. is it possible to store files (images, audio, video) in a session? any documentation? | 21:29 |
| mlechner | anybody out there? | 21:37 |
| * mgedmin is here, doesn't know the answer | 21:40 | |
| mlechner | mgedmin: thank you. now I can be sure my question has been posted. ;-) | 21:42 |
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| betabug | storing images in a session? baaaaad idea | 22:18 |
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| J1m | betabug, why do you think storing images in sessions is a bad idea? We do it all the time. Works great. | 22:46 |
| betabug | really? | 22:46 |
| J1m | Yes | 22:46 |
| betabug | I learned long ago that session storage should be kept as small as possible | 22:46 |
| betabug | though I don't remember where I got it from | 22:46 |
| J1m | I suspect we have different contexts and assumptions. | 22:47 |
| J1m | The way people generalize about sessions is frustrating. | 22:47 |
| J1m | We use ZODB-backed sessions with blobs. | 22:47 |
| betabug | well, the guy asked about "zope2" | 22:47 |
| J1m | We also keep the session store in the database where we'll end up storing the images, so we don't have to copy. | 22:47 |
| J1m | I assume some version of Zope 2 can work that way. | 22:48 |
| J1m | Gotta go | 22:48 |
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| betabug | thanx, hf! | 22:51 |
| betabug | well, probably back in the days storing big stuff in the "standard" session wasn't a good idea | 22:52 |
| betabug | but ofcoz, back then blobs were unheard of either :-) | 22:52 |
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