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| benbangert | J1m: the ZPL is incompatible with the MPL and AL2 | 19:48 |
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| benbangert | J1m: so any code from it will have to be relicensed by the appropriate copyright holders for inclusion | 19:48 |
| benbangert | since most of the other ZK libs are Apache Licensed, I got permission from Mozilla to contribute under the Apache License as well | 19:48 |
| kosh | hail freaks! | 19:49 |
| J1m | kosh, well said | 19:49 |
| J1m | whimper | 19:49 |
| kosh | so how is life going? | 19:49 |
| kosh | I finished my first year back at college at least and ended up with very good grades | 19:49 |
| J1m | atm, I'm in a licensing discussion, so not so good. ;) | 19:49 |
| kosh | once I finish I won't do web stuff anymore and instead do nanotech and biotech to fix humans | 19:50 |
| J1m | congratulations | 19:50 |
| J1m | cool | 19:50 |
| kosh | yeah licensing discussions are not good | 19:50 |
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| benbangert | they're a pain | 19:51 |
| kosh | at least I will be able to do things like work on permanent cures for humans and eventually augmentation | 19:51 |
| benbangert | kosh: I'm sure most any of that will have more patents strewn about than just software dev ;) | 19:51 |
| J1m | me wonders how the ZPL is incompatible with AL2 and MPL. ZPL is as open as we could possibly make it. | 19:51 |
| benbangert | J1m: yea, ZPL is BSD style, AL2 and MPL are copyleft | 19:52 |
| kosh | benbangert: probably true but also the stuff is changing very quickly and fundamentally so many patents are on things that are obsolete | 19:52 |
| J1m | Really? I'm surprized. | 19:52 |
| benbangert | AL2 and MPL are also incompatible with each other as they both want the rest of the code in the file to be under their own license | 19:52 |
| benbangert | AL2 and MPL state that other code added/modified in the file must be under their own respective license too | 19:52 |
| benbangert | ZPL doesn't give permission to relicense it, thus, incompatible | 19:53 |
| kosh | benbangert: so you need the one license of power :) | 19:53 |
| benbangert | J1m: yea, ZPL is very open with regards to its use of the whole. this gets messy when combining parts in the same file | 19:54 |
| betabug | one license to bind them, and in the darkness blind them | 19:54 |
| kosh | betabug: hehe yup | 19:54 |
| benbangert | yea, apparently most universities nowadays are using either MIT license, or more commonly Apache License | 19:54 |
| benbangert | thankfully the GPL trend is dying down | 19:55 |
| betabug | isn't MIT pretty close to BSD? | 19:55 |
| benbangert | betabug: yea, which is also incompatible with combining into a single file with AL2/MPL | 19:55 |
| benbangert | due to the copyleft clauses | 19:55 |
| betabug | what a nice and happy family :-) | 19:55 |
| benbangert | I mean, its trivial to include entire ZPL/MIT/BSD files in a package where the rest of the code is Apache Licensed... its just when combining the code in a single file that it gets messy | 19:56 |
| benbangert | yea, pain in the butt, talked to Mozilla lawyer more than I thought I would in my first year on the job :) | 19:57 |
| J1m | ZPL was certified compatible w GPL even. | 19:58 |
| J1m | I don't see anything in the ZPL that says you can't reclicense. | 19:59 |
| J1m | but IANAL | 19:59 |
| benbangert | only copyright holders can relicense afaik | 20:00 |
| J1m | I'm not interested in getting mired in licensing. What do you want me to do? :) | 20:02 |
| J1m | what do you propose? | 20:02 |
| J1m | really, life is short | 20:02 |
| benbangert | anything that gets included gets licensed under Apache Licence, I'll add a contributers file to the repo that we each push our 'signature' to | 20:02 |
| benbangert | which indicates we permit it to be licensed under that, etc. | 20:02 |
| benbangert | we have a file like that in all the pylons/pyramid stuff, https://github.com/Pylons/pyramid/blob/master/CONTRIBUTORS.txt | 20:03 |
| benbangert | I'll run that by our lawyer and make sure he's happy with that. sigh | 20:04 |
| benbangert | and proceed full steam ahead | 20:04 |
| J1m | ok | 20:04 |
| J1m | +1 | 20:04 |
| benbangert | J1m: oh, the lawyer said it can't be included "without the copyright holders permission", so if you give permission, than I think thats sufficient, having a CONTRIBUTORS with the git push request verifying you added it should be sufficient | 20:05 |
| J1m | k | 20:05 |
| J1m | benbangert, thanks for dealing with this. | 20:08 |
| benbangert | np | 20:12 |
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| kosh | betabug: so how is your country doing? have you stocked up on your post apocalyptic supplies? | 21:46 |
| betabug | me? sure! | 21:49 |
| kosh | just make sure to get the bankers | 21:54 |
| teix | kosh: what about suggesting betabug open another bank account out of Greece and then transfer all money? :P | 22:10 |
| kosh | why would I do that? | 22:12 |
| teix | kosh: instead of getting the bankers just play with them :) | 22:17 |
| betabug | teix: the bank I'm at is owned by a .pt bank, so my money is completely safe ;-) | 22:32 |
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| teix | betabug: are you really sure? :) | 22:35 |
| teix | betabug: well you can feel safer if you transfer all of it to my account. btw there are no transfers commissions charged between .pt banks... :) | 22:37 |
| betabug | haha, I can imagine | 22:37 |
| teix | betabug: I'll send you my nib, ok? | 22:38 |
| betabug | suuuuuure! | 22:38 |
| teix | eheh | 22:38 |
| teix | betabug: time to go... so don't forget about it! | 22:40 |
| * teix feels that he'll be richer on Monday | 22:40 | |
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| betabug | hf teix ... even without my money ;-) | 22:44 |
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| kosh | I still support you putting the bankers against the wall | 22:53 |
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