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| Comartin|Work | hello, i am in need of some assistance | 15:11 |
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| Comartin|Work | let me tell you about my environment first | 15:12 |
| Comartin|Work | ubuntu 10.04, Python 2.1, Zope 2.6.1 | 15:12 |
| betabug | hmmm, oooold | 15:13 |
| betabug | and non-matching python and zope version | 15:13 |
| betabug | unless you meant python 2.4.1 | 15:13 |
| Comartin|Work | nope. its been running on 2.1 for the last 10 years | 15:13 |
| betabug | aha | 15:13 |
| Comartin|Work | then a server crashed and now im trying to get it running again for the second time | 15:14 |
| Comartin|Work | it used to run on windows server 2000 | 15:14 |
| betabug | fun project | 15:14 |
| Comartin|Work | i had it running on ubuntu for a few months then that server crashed :( | 15:14 |
| Comartin|Work | now im putting it on a virtual vmware server | 15:14 |
| Comartin|Work | my problem is mysql. | 15:15 |
| betabug | and make a few copies :-) | 15:15 |
| Comartin|Work | im trying to install mysql-python 0.9.2 from source | 15:15 |
| betabug | I agree on that, it is for most people | 15:15 |
| Comartin|Work | is there some sort of dependency i am missing? | 15:15 |
| Comartin|Work | i dont know which version of python-dev i should install on python2.1 | 15:16 |
| betabug | I would try it with python 2.4 | 15:16 |
| betabug | which is the proper python version for zope 2.6 | 15:17 |
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| Comartin|Work | well 2.1 is the version it came with in the package? | 15:18 |
| betabug | unlikely | 15:18 |
| Comartin|Work | i dont know how to point zope to a different python interpreter either | 15:18 |
| betabug | zope 2.6 goes with python 2.4 | 15:18 |
| betabug | you need to edit a few files in INSTANCE_HOME/etc and INSTANCE_HOME/bin | 15:19 |
| Comartin|Work | user@server:~/Zope-2.6.1-linux2-x86$ bin/python | 15:20 |
| Comartin|Work | Python 2.1.3 (#1, Sep 19 2002, 13:15:46) | 15:20 |
| Comartin|Work | [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)] on linux2 | 15:20 |
| Comartin|Work | Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. | 15:20 |
| Comartin|Work | >>> | 15:20 |
| * kosh beats betabug with a stick | 15:23 | |
| betabug | hey kosh... off for lunch here | 15:23 |
| kosh | have fun | 15:23 |
| kosh | make sure to bring your body armor and assault weapons | 15:23 |
| kosh | those post apocalyptic wastelands can be pretty hard to get lunch in | 15:24 |
| kosh | Comartin|Work: really too bad you can't upgrade the app to use something a little more modern | 15:25 |
| Comartin|Work | btw http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/Zope26 | 15:25 |
| Comartin|Work | it does require python 2.1.3 | 15:26 |
| kosh | it is just if you could get it running on zope 2.13 and python 2.7 it would be likely to work better long term but at this point that is likely a lot of work | 15:28 |
| Comartin|Work | this application is not going to be used much longer just as a reference. | 15:29 |
| kosh | that is good at this point | 15:29 |
| Comartin|Work | i just need it to be static information | 15:29 |
| Comartin|Work | i have a new replacement that in about 6 months to a year will replace it completely | 15:30 |
| kosh | is the system public? | 15:30 |
| Comartin|Work | no | 15:30 |
| Comartin|Work | internal only | 15:30 |
| Comartin|Work | also here is my error trying to compile python-mysql 0.9.2 http://pastebin.com/7RY3LQKW | 15:31 |
| kosh | then install on some kind of virtual server a linux dist from the time period of python 2.1 and zope 2.6 since those should still exist around | 15:31 |
| kosh | and run it on that virtual server | 15:31 |
| kosh | it will be insecure but you have to be honest that running zope 2.6, python 2.1, a version of mysql that is compatible etc is already insecure | 15:31 |
| Comartin|Work | i am trying to run it on a virtual on ubuntu 10.04, so your saying try installing it on ubuntu 6.04 | 15:31 |
| kosh | huge parts of toolchains have changed sicne that software was written and I doubt that gcc will even compile a lot of the code | 15:32 |
| kosh | yeah 6.04 is more likely but I would have to look to find exact version but that it at least in the righ direction | 15:32 |
| Comartin|Work | it worked about 4 months ago | 15:32 |
| kosh | any idea why it stopped working? | 15:32 |
| Comartin|Work | the server crashed | 15:32 |
| Comartin|Work | it wont boot up | 15:33 |
| kosh | as in hardware failure and replacing the hardware did not fix the problem? | 15:33 |
| kosh | why won't it boot up? | 15:33 |
| Comartin|Work | well the drive fried | 15:33 |
| kosh | pretty good reason not to boot up then :) | 15:33 |
| Comartin|Work | yes | 15:33 |
| kosh | did someone else set it up before to run on that system? | 15:33 |
| Comartin|Work | we just got a new AC in our server room | 15:33 |
| Comartin|Work | so hopefully thats the last of the popping drives | 15:34 |
| Comartin|Work | i set it up but it was hacky and i had an even older server to copy files from now i have nothing | 15:34 |
| kosh | yeah that is pretty much what I expected | 15:34 |
| kosh | I think your best bet is just going to be to use a virtual much older distribution version | 15:35 |
| Comartin|Work | i had copied the mysql.h file from the old server | 15:35 |
| kosh | probably because modern gcc cant' compile the older code | 15:35 |
| kosh | that is the huge downside of not keeping a system running, code essentially rots over time | 15:35 |
| Comartin|Work | could i install an older gcc on the current system? | 15:35 |
| kosh | regardless of os it is for | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | "_mysql.c:1356: error: too few arguments to function ‘mysql_shutdown’ | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | " | 15:35 |
| kosh | I doubt it even exists | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | this has *nothing* to do with gcc versions | 15:36 |
| Comartin|Work | i have the same mysql version running | 15:36 |
| mgedmin | it looks like a backwards-incompatible MySQL API change | 15:36 |
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| Comartin|Work | mysql 5.1 was running on both | 15:36 |
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| kosh | what about the version of mysql-python that was being used? | 15:38 |
| kosh | I wonder if there are other mysql libs on the system that are being found instead of what you want | 15:38 |
| Comartin|Work | it requires mysql-python 0.9.2 which is what im trying to install | 15:39 |
| Comartin|Work | its the only version that works | 15:39 |
| Comartin|Work | from what i read | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | what's the version of the mysql headers then? | 15:42 |
| Comartin|Work | :s | 15:44 |
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| kosh | mgedmin: I have just found that when dealing with old software like that on a more modern system that I would track down one bug after another | 15:51 |
| kosh | you fix one lib and the next one won't work because of another version mismatch | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | it's called bitrot :) | 15:52 |
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| kosh | what is kind of funny is you get the same thing with closed software | 15:52 |
| kosh | that is stops running or runs strangely | 15:52 |
| kosh | in the end you just virtualize a system from the time period of the software and work to replace or upgrade the software | 15:52 |
| Comartin | we are having the same problem with an old accounting software | 15:53 |
| kosh | I have some software that only runs on xp with specific versions of quicktime etc that I got as part of a textbook | 15:53 |
| Comartin | again its like 8 years old | 15:53 |
| kosh | the publisher said they won't ugprade the software ever, they will keep shipping it with new books and you just have to run xp in a vm to run it | 15:53 |
| Comartin | we have a software that is brand new that will only run on xp | 15:54 |
| Comartin | leave it to chrysler | 15:54 |
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| Comartin | it seems as though my mysql client is incompatible. | 16:10 |
| Comartin | mysql 5.1 may be too new | 16:10 |
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| Comartin | but the original server was running 5.1 | 16:11 |
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| kosh | this is why in the end I think you will save a lot of time and misery by just using a distribution from that time period and running it in a vm | 16:27 |
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| kosh | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19431643 | 16:35 |
| kosh | sorry wrong channel but still cool | 16:36 |
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| do3cc | Is there an irc channel for the zope4 sprint? | 16:46 |
| kosh | not a clue | 16:48 |
| do3cc | I am pretty late anyway I guess | 16:49 |
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| Comartin | well that was poo i guess im just gonna have to deal with missing the mysql | 17:15 |
| Comartin | i give up for now | 17:15 |
| Comartin | theres only a couple of tables the rest is in ZODB | 17:16 |
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| seppo14 | nabend... | 18:00 |
| seppo14 | frage in die runde: wo liegt der sinn von ZEO + 5 Clients auf dem selben Server? | 18:00 |
| seppo14 | ich dachte bisher immer es geht quasi um load balancing | 18:01 |
| seppo14 | ups | 18:01 |
| seppo14 | wrong group :) | 18:01 |
| seppo14 | again in english: what's the use of a ZEO + 5 clients on the same host? | 18:01 |
| seppo14 | always thought this is about load balancing... | 18:01 |
| seppo14 | or means ZEO just 1 database + x hosts hosting different stuff connecting to the same db? | 18:02 |
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| betabug | using multiple processors and cores | 18:08 |
| betabug | also makes upgrading and some other stuff easier | 18:08 |
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| seppo14 | thanks betabug | 18:49 |
| seppo14 | never had the need for that with my small projects ;) | 18:49 |
| betabug | well, even with 1 ZEO + 1 Zope it can make a bit of a difference | 18:49 |
| betabug | oh, and another reason for ZEO + multiple clients is to be able to increase the number of threads (e.g. when you have some long-running requests) | 18:50 |
| seppo14 | i currently have several sites split across 6 zope instances.. | 18:51 |
| seppo14 | would it make sense to put these all into one ZEO database? | 18:51 |
| betabug | I don't think so, unless they are small and you want to reduce your maintenance work | 18:52 |
| betabug | now they balance "per site" | 18:52 |
| betabug | if they had all one ZEO + a bunch of Zopes as clients shared between them, in theory if one of them suddenly has a lot of work, it would fare better | 18:52 |
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| deuterium | running zope instance has >100% cpu load all the time.. potential reasons? | 19:15 |
| deuterium | no ddos going on | 19:16 |
| deuterium | no web access | 19:16 |
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| benbangert | J1m: the pure python branch now passes all the tests :) | 19:22 |
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| J1m | benbangert, congrats! | 19:54 |
| benbangert | we're beefing up test coverage slowly to 100% and ensuring we catch all the errors/exceptions | 19:55 |
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| benbangert | course, since its all pure python, coverage reports are finally accurate :) | 19:55 |
| J1m | :) | 19:55 |
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