| [Arfrever] | fdrake: Because it depends on other packages (e.g. zope.i18n), whose newest versions are alphas. | 00:06 |
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| * fdrake is not a fan of stability-indicators as a part of version numbers. | 00:07 | |
| fdrake | Ok, so long as it's not because we've exhausted the budget for integers. | 00:07 |
| [Arfrever] | Incompatible changes are still allowed between e.g. zope.i18n 4.0.0a4 and zope.i18n 4.0.0. | 00:10 |
| fdrake | Yeah, well. They're allowed between 4.0.0 and 5.0.0, too. :-) | 00:12 |
| fdrake | I'm being a little facetious; I do understand the desire to say "this isn't ready yet, and can change."/ | 00:13 |
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| [Arfrever] | srichter: Do you plan to fix DeprecationWarnings and ResourceWarnings in other packages? | 04:21 |
| [Arfrever] | (I do not suggest to make new releases only with such fixes.) | 04:23 |
| srichter | if I remember it ;-) | 04:24 |
| srichter | I am more interested in adding PyPy support as we are finalizing packages | 04:24 |
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| fdrake | srichter: Do you know if there's a way to get github to send out checkin emails? | 15:59 |
| fdrake | (Directly to repo followers, instead of to a "canned" outside address.) | 16:00 |
| srichter | fdrake: no, I don't | 16:04 |
| srichter | fdrake: I would really like to turn off the default E-mail notifications and have a github event receiver send proper checkin E-mails | 16:04 |
| fdrake | It's a pity we can't migrate the email cannon to use github notifications, so our repository follows could be respected. | 16:04 |
| srichter | with diffs, etc | 16:04 |
| fdrake | Well, yeah, making the emails usable would be nice, too. :-) | 16:05 |
| fdrake | I think you've increased my mail storage in Gmail by 100MB in the last few days. :-/ | 16:06 |
| srichter | :-( | 16:07 |
| srichter | I am pretty much done with the conversions now | 16:07 |
| srichter | today's push was about moving all wineggbuilder tested packages to Github | 16:08 |
| fdrake | I doubt there's anything left to convert. :-) | 16:08 |
| srichter | fdrake: you would be surprised! :-) | 16:08 |
| srichter | there are 600 directories in the SVN root | 16:08 |
| srichter | we have 267 in GitHub now | 16:09 |
| fdrake | Heh. I know there are CVS repositories lurking in the annals of history; you can probably find another 600 dead, er, stable packages there as well. :-) | 16:09 |
| srichter | let's say 150 are junk, that still leaves 180 | 16:09 |
| fdrake | The "otrta" VCS will be released any day now; we're just going to convert again. | 16:10 |
| srichter | ;-) | 16:11 |
| srichter | I know, I cannot believe I am on my 3rd VCS already | 16:11 |
| fdrake | 3rd? Youngling. | 16:12 |
| srichter | that's enough for me | 16:13 |
| kosh | wait unti you get to 20+ over the course of your life | 16:13 |
| fdrake | More than enough. Shifting VCSs is too expensive for recreational activity. | 16:14 |
| kosh | yeah it does suck | 16:14 |
| kosh | just saying that more will come up and others will die off | 16:14 |
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| kosh | and there will be more custom VCS systems for specific applications | 16:15 |
| kosh | I can see a need for a good VCS system for large binary files that would be efficient | 16:15 |
| kosh | like doing a VCS that integrates with simulation software | 16:15 |
| srichter | maybe it is time to get out of software dev :-) | 16:15 |
| kosh | I already made that decision, I have one year left before I am a chemical and biological engineer | 16:16 |
| kosh | but I will still be doing software as part of the job (just custom simulations to get work done) | 16:16 |
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| fdrake | I'm still waiting for a really good VCS for code. We have tolerable VCSs, but we switched anyway. | 16:18 |
| fdrake | (I hear it's what the kool kats do.) | 16:18 |
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| betabug | I'm pretty happy with darcs | 17:15 |
| betabug | but I'm using "whatever" on other people's projects | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | I was always uncomfortable with lack of proper history (i.e. how did _my_ tree look at this date?) in darcs | 17:17 |
| betabug | hmm, never bothered me | 17:22 |
| betabug | we're just tagging at milestones and that's it | 17:22 |
| betabug | OTOH there are so many things that just work so well and that are a pain with other VCS's | 17:23 |
| betabug | but I'm way beyond the point where I'm willing to tell other people what to use (except in my own projects, where I'm responsible) | 17:23 |
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| fdrake | srichter: Is the current release procedure for ZF projects documented? | 17:46 |
| srichter | fdrake: no | 17:48 |
| fdrake | --sigh-- | 17:48 |
| srichter | fdrake: we have no good place for documentation :-( | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | *sigh* | 17:49 |
| srichter | fdrake: I just use zest.releaser | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | I recommend https://pypi.python.org/pypi/check-manifest with zest.releaser | 17:49 |
| fdrake | Heh. I figured the answer would be something like that. | 17:50 |
| fdrake | I'm not really sure why wiki.zope.org fell out of favor. | 17:51 |
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| srichter | fdrake: me neither, but I think it was hacked too much | 17:52 |
| fdrake | Ah, could be. | 17:53 |
| fdrake | Now it's just ignored, even though it's still where many things live. | 17:53 |
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| fdrake | (TAL/TALES/METAL specs are still useful.) | 17:54 |
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| mgedmin | these ought to be proper Sphinx-based documents maintained in git and published at readthedocs.org | 17:54 |
| fdrake | FTR, I *hate* defining the process by software implementation. | 17:54 |
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| fdrake | mgedmin: I wouldn't object. :-) | 17:55 |
| fdrake | Maybe I'll look at zest.releaser the afternoon. | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | I believe it more or less follows http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Sandbox/philikon/foundation/releasing-software.txt | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | I'm not sure it checks long_description for ReST errors | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | also, there was this version number PEP that made zest.releaser switch from versions like 1.2.3dev to versions like 1.2.3.dev0 | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | PEP-386 perhaps | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | we need a working wiki :( | 17:58 |
| fdrake | mgedmin: That we do. | 17:59 |
| fdrake | Especially for those of us who just pop in from time to time these days. | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | +1 | 18:00 |
| fdrake | The state of wikis, though, is pretty egregious. | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | plus duplicate auth etc | 18:01 |
| fdrake | Yep. | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | readthedocs + 'edit this file on github' in the sidebar + github's ACE editor and RST previewing features = we almost have a wiki, if we automate sphinxification somehow | 18:02 |
| fdrake | Ok, time for a sandwich.... | 18:03 |
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| fdrake | srichter: I'm making a zope.publisher 4.0.0a4, so we'll see if my git-fu is strong enough. | 19:26 |
| srichter | fdrake: ;-) | 19:29 |
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| srichter | easy_install zest.releaser | 19:29 |
| srichter | cd /path/zope.publisher | 19:29 |
| srichter | fullrelease | 19:29 |
| srichter | that should be it! :-) | 19:29 |
| fdrake | srichter: The zest.releaser docs didn't leave me confident; maybe after playing with it on a test repo, but.... | 19:30 |
| fdrake | Maybe once I've some confidence I know what's *supposed* to happen! | 19:31 |
| fdrake | Ok, found how to tell if my tag made it. | 19:31 |
| srichter | fdrake: I made about 300 releases int he last couple of week with zest.releaser ;-) | 19:32 |
| srichter | well, maybe 100, since my conversions did not do a release | 19:33 |
| fdrake | Goody. I still need to play with something like that. | 19:33 |
| fdrake | Anything that says it updates text for me requires careful play. | 19:33 |
| fdrake | For now, I want a release. | 19:33 |
| srichter | zest.releaser is nice at telling you the changes before it commits | 19:34 |
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| fdrake | Rest assured, after dealing with this once, I'll probably never do it manually again. | 19:38 |
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| fdrake | srichter: Since there wasn't a "dev" marker in the version number, I'm presuming we're not continuing with that silliness. | 19:44 |
| fdrake | Anyway, I think I'm done. | 19:44 |
| srichter | fdrake: there should have been .dev0 at the end | 19:49 |
| srichter | in the trunk | 19:49 |
| srichter | but it does not really matter | 19:49 |
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| fdrake | Hmm. It wasn't there before. So... somebody else's problem. | 19:50 |
| fdrake | I'd rather see us use version="0" for non-versions. | 19:51 |
| fdrake | (Or omit it completely, if distutils allows that.) | 19:51 |
| srichter | fdrake: but that's a problem with zest.releaser, since it then does not know which version number to suggest ;-) I have fixed the version="0" everywhere. He he. | 19:57 |
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| fdrake | Sounded to me like zest.releaser took the version number (possibly on the command line). | 20:07 |
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| fdrake | srichter: Do you remember why zope.publisher needs zope.security >= 4.0.0a1 ? | 20:45 |
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| fdrake | --sigh-- | 20:53 |
| fdrake | git's such a blight. | 20:54 |
| srichter | fdrake: only for Py3 support | 20:55 |
| srichter | fdrake: I would not have put that requirement into the setup.py file | 20:55 |
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| fdrake | I guess I can remove it from the installed egg to test if I can use zope.publisher 4.0.0a4 for my app. :-( | 20:56 |
| srichter | eek, feel free to do another release without the requirement | 20:57 |
| srichter | fdrake: I wonder whether it would be better in your case to do another 3.x release | 20:57 |
| fdrake | Yeah, playing with that idea now. | 20:57 |
| fdrake | Sooo.... git. | 21:02 |
| fdrake | Is the right workflow for this: checkout branch, cherry-pick the patch, push, then tag / release from the branch? | 21:02 |
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| * fdrake hopes someone is writing "git: The Good Parts". | 21:10 | |
| J1m | I think the postal service is issuing a stamp | 21:11 |
| fdrake | Which means the octocat has been dead for at least 5 years. Yay! | 21:12 |
| fdrake | Can we move back to a real VCS now? | 21:12 |
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| J1m | You need you some code review luv | 21:13 |
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| fdrake | J1m: Yeah... I tried submitting a pull request for zc.recipe.deployment, but you've been too busy to get to it. :-) | 21:16 |
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| J1m | fdrake, that wasn't a pull request. You committed to svn trunk. | 21:18 |
| fdrake | Yeah, but you wanted to review, so I haven't made a release. :-) | 21:19 |
| fdrake | I probably should have used a branch. | 21:19 |
| J1m | You should have converted to github and made a pull request ;) | 21:19 |
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| * fdrake would still like a response to his workflow question: | 21:46 | |
| fdrake | Is the right workflow for this: checkout branch, cherry-pick the patch, push, then tag / release from the branch? | 21:46 |
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| fdrake | srichter: ^^ | 21:54 |
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| fdrake | Python packaging deserves a special place in hell | 22:22 |
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| fdrake | Managed zope.publisher-3.13.2 using zest.releaser; nice! | 22:35 |
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