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| andkore | is there any way to do the equivalent of <?php echo $var ?> | 10:43 |
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| andkore | with TAL* | 10:44 |
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| agroszer | andkore, you will probably want view/?var | 10:57 |
| andkore | agroszer: I like the idea that TAL is multi-language, but its syntax is a little odd | 10:59 |
| agroszer | well it is | 10:59 |
| agroszer | http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/TALSpecification14 | 10:59 |
| agroszer | just in case | 10:59 |
| andkore | just seems odd to have stuff embedded in the html | 11:00 |
| andkore | like <p tal= ... or whatever it is | 11:00 |
| agroszer | don't start that flame, yeah? | 11:00 |
| andkore | huh? | 11:00 |
| andkore | I'm not trying to flame | 11:01 |
| agroszer | nm | 11:01 |
| agroszer | every framework has it's pros and cons and those depend on it's users too | 11:02 |
| andkore | I'm actually using laravel | 11:02 |
| andkore | I'm just trying to decide which template engine to use | 11:02 |
| andkore | I'm in the PHP owrld | 11:03 |
| andkore | world* | 11:03 |
| agroszer | well I'm not into PHP | 11:03 |
| andkore | I'm just using it because I'm poor and I want to be able to deploy to shitty servers that don't support other languages | 11:04 |
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| andkore | anyway, thanks for the info | 11:04 |
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| agroszer | for low budget hosting there's like digitalocean | 11:04 |
| agroszer | welcome | 11:05 |
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| regebro | More crazy ideas: FoundationDB backend for ZODB. :-) | 12:22 |
| regebro | To compliment the JSON-client idea. :-) | 12:23 |
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| agroszer | regebro: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mongopersist | 12:40 |
| regebro | agroszer: Will it get the acid transactions on top of mongo? Because then I guess that's good enough. :-) | 13:04 |
| agroszer | naah | 13:04 |
| agroszer | and it's not ZODB if you look closer | 13:04 |
| regebro | agroszer: Ah. OK, so then irrelevant. :-) | 13:04 |
| agroszer | irrelevant... ehhh | 13:05 |
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| MatthewWilkes | that monopersist thing is……………………… odd | 15:22 |
| MatthewWilkes | It looks so safe and familiar | 15:23 |
| RichyB | regebro: FoundationDB would not be a bad idea in theory AIUI, both it and ZODB target the same feature set and consistency+isolation guarantees. | 15:27 |
| RichyB | Though FoundationDB's website claims that they actually target serialisable isolation, which is better than the repeatable-read isolation that ZODB provides. | 15:28 |
| RichyB | (By "better" in that sentence I meant "easier to program in, harder to implement") | 15:29 |
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| MatthewWilkes | RichyB: Just because you're the only person I know who has ever had a transaction bug caused by repeatable read… | 16:32 |
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| RichyB | MatthewWilkes: no, the transaction bug wasn't caused by repeatable read; that's documented behaviour! The bug was caused by my failure to notice the note in the documentation. ;) | 16:44 |
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| regebro | RichyB: The question is if you can get a benefit from FoundationDB in shardable writes etc. | 18:06 |
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| RichyB | regebro: eh, you can play the shardable-writes game all day; there are various violent ways to get zope apps to scale. | 18:25 |
| RichyB | What I find more interesting is the idea of getting *resilience* out of FoundationDB. | 18:26 |
| RichyB | I mean lower-chance-of-data-loss by having many copies of data on many machines+disks, not higher availability. | 18:27 |
| RichyB | It makes me sad that you kind of need an expensive multi-site synchronously-replicated SAN in order to proof your data against, say, a carbomb blowing up next to your DC. ☺ | 18:28 |
| * RichyB might be paranoid. >_> | 18:30 | |
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| regebro | RichyB: well, recilient performance is the interesting bit. Performance with no reliability might be fun but not helpful. :-) | 18:36 |
| RichyB | I think that they're both interesting vertexes of a gigantic polyhedron of desired features. ☺ | 18:37 |
| RichyB | Like, takes something like travis-ci. They want a reliable DB to save results to at the end of every build… but they don't actually need any data reliability *during* the builds themselves. | 18:38 |
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| regebro | Replication is in any case useful, but I think perhaps not as hard as getting write performance. | 18:38 |
| RichyB | If a machine dies in some way during a unit-test or software compilation run and it loses all the files, it doesn't matter - you just blow it all away re-start the build again from scratch. | 18:39 |
| RichyB | Result of that is, I'd be happy to use tmpfs or some other RAM/swap backed filesystem for backing the working area for a CI server. | 18:40 |
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