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| brunni | hi all. I switched to easy_install with Zope 2.13.20. Is this not supported any more in 2.13.22? | 12:50 |
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| brunni | How is it supposed to be installed anyway? bootstrap.py mentioned in INSTALL.rst is missing | 12:54 |
| brunni | hmm.. there is a bootstrap.py in the git repository | 13:04 |
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| brunni | Can nobody help me with 2.13.22? | 13:29 |
| brunni | This is so depressing | 13:31 |
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| betabug | last time I tried, I managed quite well with easy_install | 14:39 |
| betabug | looks like he already left | 14:39 |
| betabug | no patience these days | 14:39 |
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| brunni | betabug: back again :-) | 15:39 |
| betabug | aha :-) | 15:39 |
| betabug | brunni: solved your problem with easy_install? | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | easy_install Zope is not supported by Zope (which is Bad, but then Zope is Bad, for values of Bad == This Is Hard Work And Nobody Is Stepping Up To Do It) | 15:40 |
| brunni | betabug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1301344 https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/issues/10 | 15:40 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1301344: Zope2 2.13.22 not installable <Zope 2:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301344> | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | last I checked you were supposed to use buildout + a versions.cfg file matching a particular Zope2 version | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | (but it was a long time ago) | 15:40 |
| brunni | mgedmin: easy_install worked for 2.13.20 | 15:41 |
| betabug | dunno, I followed the install instructions, and there was no mention of buildout | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | that might've been a lucky alignment of planets^H^H^H^H dependencies on pypi | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | ahh, I see https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Zope2#installation still refers to a 'doc/INSTALL.rst' without linking to a web-linkable version | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | way to show the hate Zope has for its unfortunate users | 15:42 |
| brunni | mgedmin: so where should I fetch the needed bootstrap.py? | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | http://downloads.buildout.org/1/bootstrap.py probably | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | there's also http://downloads.buildout.org/2/bootstrap.py | 15:44 |
| mgedmin | I don't know which version Zope2 supports | 15:44 |
| mgedmin | does the buildout.cfg you found use zc.recipe.egg (in which case use /2/) or z3c.recipe.scripts (in which case use /1/)? | 15:44 |
| brunni | mgedmin: There is no buildout.cfg in Zope2-2.13.22.zip from https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Zope2/ | 15:45 |
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| mgedmin | so https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/blob/master/doc/INSTALL.rst lies? | 15:46 |
| brunni | mgedmin: yes | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | there is a buildout.cfg in git: https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/blob/master/buildout.cfg | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | there's a bootstrap.py in git (but it's not in a subdirectory) | 15:47 |
| brunni | mgedmin: sources.cfg also seems to be needed | 15:49 |
| brunni | and versions.cfg... | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | I think the latest release is just broken | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/blob/master/MANIFEST.in is definitely incomplete | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | welp | 15:49 |
| brunni | Generated script '/home/zope/Zope2-2.13.22/bin/buildout'. | 15:50 |
| brunni | Error: Picked: Products.MIMETools = 2.13.0 | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | buildout is a bundle of joy | 15:51 |
| brunni | mgedmin: would it be possible to "install" zope with buildout? (in my case into a virtualenv) | 15:52 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 15:54 |
| brunni | mgedmin: So I'll wait if someone reacts to the bug/issue I have opened? | 15:56 |
| * mgedmin sighs | 15:56 | |
| * brunni thinks that easy_install would work with http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.13.22/ - if it was there | 15:57 | |
| mgedmin | you could try the install instructions from a git clone of the current master | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | oh, right! the custom indexes | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | yeah, they used to work at some point | 15:57 |
| brunni | mgedmin: 2.13.21 does exist but not 2.13.22 | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | git clone https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope && cd Zope && virtualenv env && env/bin/python bootstrap.py && bin/buildout && bin/mkzopeinstance just worked for me | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | hm, is zope 2 shipping without a standard index_html these days? | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | also the skin looks weird, not like the zmi of old | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | really weird | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | but no 404 errors in my console | 16:00 |
| brunni | mgedmin: What is the version? | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | Zope Version | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | (4.0a1.dev, python 2.7.5, linux2) | 16:00 |
| brunni | mgedmin: A bit too high :-) | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | let me try git checkout 2.3.22 && bin/buildout && bin/mkzopeinstance | 16:01 |
| brunni | mgedmin: Or does anybody actually recommend migrating to 4 now? | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | my personal recommendation would be: migrate from zope to something sane ASAP | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | it was nice for its time, but it lacks the volunteer manpower to be adequately maintained these days | 16:04 |
| brunni | mgedmin: I know. You said that last time too :-) http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs-zope/%23zope.2013-06-06.log.html | 16:04 |
| brunni | mgedmin: I have so many websites running Zope2. The migration would be even more painful than this | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | I have pangs of conscience when I say things like that -- after all zope2 was my intro to python | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | but I don't want to deceive users about the level of support they'll get | 16:05 |
| brunni | mgedmin: webapp2 would be my favourite for new stuff | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | never heard of it | 16:06 |
| brunni | http://webapp-improved.appspot.com/ | 16:07 |
| * brunni is trying "Creating a buildout-based Zope instance" from INSTALL.rst | 16:09 | |
| * mgedmin just fixed some URLs in it | 16:10 | |
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| brunni | mgedmin: But somebody seems to be working towards Zope 4. You think this would lack the manpower too? What about Plone? | 16:13 |
| brunni | Generated interpreter '/home/zope/bla/bin/py'. | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | I know little about Plone, but it seems healthier | 16:13 |
| brunni | mgedmin: The "buildout-based Zope instance" seems to work. I will migrate to this form of installation if nothing comes up on the tickets I opened. | 16:18 |
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| brunni | mgedmin: thanks for helping, bye! | 16:27 |
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