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| TheBrayn | hi | 17:04 |
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| TheBrayn | I'm trying to port an old zope application to the most recent version on a new server and do some cleanup however I cannot create a new instance in my virtualenv: http://codepad.org/vtCYwPRe | 17:06 |
| TheBrayn | I installed Zope2 with pip | 17:06 |
| TheBrayn | and it's version 2.13.22 with python 2.6.6 on Centos 6 | 17:07 |
| TheBrayn | I can reproduces this on osx with python 2.7 | 17:13 |
| betabug | TheBrayn: when installing zope, you need to specify a file that gives pip all the versions of packages to install, did you do that? | 17:20 |
| betabug | see here: https://github.com/zopefoundation/zope.pagetemplate/issues/1 (scroll down for the comment about pinned version) | 17:21 |
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| TheBrayn | this file is more than a year old I assume that quite a lot has changed in the meantime | 17:25 |
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| betabug | pinning to a version when installing is still needed | 17:26 |
| betabug | if you don't know that, pip will just try to get the latest version of whatever eggs it installs... that is a matter of lotterie if it could work | 17:26 |
| betabug | s/if you don't know/if you don't do/ | 17:27 |
| TheBrayn | ok | 17:28 |
| TheBrayn | well if I had a more recent version of the requirements.txt I could use it | 17:29 |
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| betabug | you can use the files from the mentioned download server | 17:30 |
| betabug | TheBrayn: also to do what you set out to do, you'll need some resilience, good luck! :-) | 17:33 |
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| TheBrayn | uhm why is that? | 17:35 |
| betabug | do you happen to know the parrot sketch from monty python? | 17:37 |
| betabug | well, zope is the parrot in that sketch | 17:38 |
| TheBrayn | yeah I know that zope is dead | 17:39 |
| betabug | good | 17:40 |
| betabug | that's why I wouldn't assume that "quite a lot has changed" within one year ;-) | 17:41 |
| TheBrayn | do you know why the project is no longer being developed? | 17:42 |
| betabug | long story... people moved on | 17:45 |
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| * sm wonders what the right short answer to that is | 20:28 | |
| sm | simpler, more mainstream tech out-evolved zope and won out ? | 20:28 |
| betabug | sometimes I think people just got bored and wanted something else | 20:44 |
| mcdonc | i think that's about it sm | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | zope 3 was a big swamp | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | we waded in and couldn't find our way out | 20:51 |
| mcdonc | well it was a good effort at a rewrite | 20:54 |
| mcdonc | but maybe too litte (too much?) too late | 20:54 |
| mcdonc | also, traversal doesnt map real well to relational dbs (or at least it seems most people aren't willing to put in the effort to make it fit) | 20:56 |
| mcdonc | zope3 should have probably been more like morepath or whatever | 20:57 |
| mcdonc | or new-bobo from jim | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | one of the problems was lack of a shared vision | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | or strong guidance | 21:01 |
| sm | all these sound valid | 21:22 |
| sm | also plone ate everybody's brain ? :) | 21:25 |
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