IRC log of #zope for Thursday, 2016-07-14

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oferw_hi all what happand to silva?16:19
oferw_infrae is still working?16:19
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betabugall of these things are probably dead or nearly dead16:44
betabugnot much life in the zope world16:45
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benjiI, for one, am only slightly dead16:47
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J1mbetabug, there's more life than you think.  This IRC channel is pretty inactive.17:23
J1mI wish I knew how to get rid of roq_.17:24
betabugJ1m: glad to hear it!17:24
betabugwho or what is roq_?17:24
J1mYeah, everone wants to get rid of roq_17:24
betabugno idea what/who that is17:25
betabugdoesn't seem to be on this channel17:25
J1mInteresting, I see it entering and leaving every couple of minutes.17:25
betabugah, I hide joins/quits etc17:26
J1mHm...17:26
betabug /ignore -channels #channelname * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS <- that's the ticket17:26
betabugunless you really want to see in a channel when someone shows up17:27
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J1mStill, even if I don't see them anymore, this is likely to drive others away.17:31
J1mI'd really rather just ban them.17:31
betabugdoes the ip change?17:31
betabugalso maybe freenode staff could help17:31
J1mno.17:32
betabugif the ip stays the same, and if you have channel ops, should be easy17:32
J1mNo one has channel ops.17:32
betabugoh?17:32
J1maccording to xchat.17:32
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betabugin that case freenode staff could help17:32
J1mhow do you get their help?17:33
betabugwell, to have channel op, you go through chanserv17:33
J1m(If you know off hand, not asking you to google :) )17:33
betabugso you would not see who has channel op17:33
betabugehmm, was what it? #freenode?17:33
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betabugit seems there is no channel founder for #zope, so definitely a case to ask freenode staff17:35
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J1mYeah. I think I found out how to reach stadd.17:35
aclark63we need to change the topic in here too … was just thinking about that (to remove public wave)17:35
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aclark63wtf17:36
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J1mbetabug, staff tells me you're an operator.17:42
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betabugI am?17:43
betabuglet's see17:43
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betabugoh!17:43
betabugI am!17:43
betabugdidn't remember that17:43
J1mcoulr you ban roq_ and make aclark and me operators too?17:44
J1mcould17:44
betabugyes17:45
betabugthat's what I'm just looking up17:45
betabugroq_ [~Icedove@200-168-7-175.dsl.telesp.net.br]17:45
betabugthat's the guy?17:45
J1myes17:45
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J1mactually aclark6317:46
betabugspoke the /ban, let's see if I got the mask right17:47
mniipbetabug can't change the ACL17:47
mniipno +f flag17:47
betabugwhich ACL? to make them ops?17:47
*** betabug changes topic to "http://zope.org http://wiki.zope.org/zope2 http://wiki.zope.org/zope3 please paste your error traceback at http://paste.lisp.org/new/zope please mention zope version when asking questions"17:50
betabuggoodbye wave17:50
betabugJ1m: anything else for the topic, while I figure out the op stuff?17:51
betabugoh, wiki.zope.org is dead it seems17:51
J1mI was hoping that aclark63 would think of that. :)17:52
mniipsee /msg ChanServ access #zope list17:52
mniipthe only person who can add/remove flags is tav17:53
betabugwiki.zope.org points to http://hetzner03-1.zopefoundation.org/ - which doesn't exist17:53
betabugmniip: yeah but INFO says that freenode staff took it over17:53
aclark63betabug: aclark is fine, not aclark6317:53
aclark63Thx17:53
mniipno?17:53
J1mYeah, maybe just drop mention of the wiki. It's dead.17:54
mniipthat's only the successor17:54
mniipit's the default successor on all # channels17:54
betabugaha17:55
betabugyou know more than me17:55
aclark63(assuming you figure out flags)17:55
mniipsee /cs help flags17:55
betabugpaste site seems to be out of whack too17:55
betabugtav seems to be online17:56
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tavhey17:57
mniipbetabug, is roq_ just repeatedly joining and parting?17:58
mniipwas, rather17:58
J1myes17:58
mniipwell then you'd want to update the ban to a redirect to ##fix_your_connection17:59
betabugtav: we would like to give op powers to J1m and to aclark18:00
betabugthese guys are very active in the project still, so it makes sense18:01
betabugI'm not working on the project, but I'm a long time regular here18:01
betabugmniip: any hint how to do that (the redirect)?18:02
mniipadd $##fix_your_connection at the end18:03
betabugdunno if that worked, he doesn't seem to be in the flags listing any more18:05
tavcool18:06
tavJ1m and aclark, you guys okay with that?18:06
mniipbetabug, you need to lift the ban first18:07
J1mtav, yes please18:08
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betabugnot in the flags list, maybe it's treated specially?18:09
betabugI /unbanned and /banned again18:09
betabugif he doesn't come back, I'd guess it worked18:09
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betabughttp://zope.org - please paste your error traceback to a pastebord - please mention zope version when asking questions - patience! this is not a busy channel18:10
betabugI guess this should do for now for the /topic18:11
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tavooops18:13
mniipum18:13
mniipnot +b18:13
betabugit might be an ooops, but it sure was fun :-)18:14
tavlol18:14
tavanyone know how to unban? ;p18:15
tavi removed the -b from flags but he still can't join18:16
betabugtav: /unban18:16
tavit's been years since i set chanserv flags18:16
tavnot having any effect.. sure that's not a client-side feature?18:16
betabugcould be18:16
betabughe's not on the /ban list any more though18:17
mniip /mode -b18:17
mniipor /unban18:17
mniipdepends on your client18:17
betabugflags list has J1m with +Vortv now18:18
mniipyou have to unban them still though18:19
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betabugJ1m is not on the ban list as I see it18:20
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betabugoh, his address is18:20
mniipnot anymore18:20
tavwoo!18:20
tavsorry about that J1m18:20
J1mnp18:21
betabug:-)18:21
betabugJ1m: we could pretend it's an intiation ritual on #zope ;-)18:21
betabuginitiation18:21
tavlol18:21
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J1m:)18:22
betabuganyway, seems I'm not needed to be op any more right now?18:23
tavwe'll save aclark the fun since he seems to be away ;p18:23
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tavwelcome aboard guys, and best of luck! and thanks betabug for getting me here.18:23
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betabugtav: thanks for helping!18:24
tavanytime18:25
tavand damn i feel old — been 15yrs since starting this channel18:25
mniipJ1m, I assume the issues have been addressed?18:26
J1mYes. Thanks!18:26
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betabughehe, oldy stuff18:27
betabugmniip: thanks! ... already gone18:27
tavhow is everything in the world of zope btw?18:28
tavis it still being developed?18:29
betabugthat was the topic of discussion that brought all this up :-)18:29
betabugJ1m said it was much more alive than it seemed18:29
J1mNot much happening in Zope itself.  Satelites are alive and active: Plone, Pyramid, ERP, ZODB, various smaller projects.18:29
J1mPeople are working on a Python 3 port, or at least threatening to.18:30
tavoooh18:30
J1mI would say the ecosystem is still fairly alive, although not as healthy as it once was, obviously.18:30
tavwhat's ERP?18:31
J1mNexedi's application based on Zope.18:31
tavah18:32
tavthanks for the update J1m18:33
J1myw18:33
benjithere's a lot of "dark zope" out there; for example, I work on a piece of software that is over 200KLOC and uses quite a bit of zope 318:37
tavwow18:39
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aclarkcool i have a voice …20:05
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aclarkcool thanks betabug, J1m22:17
J1mThanks for thinking this is cool. :)22:19
aclarkHeh23:06
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