IRC log of #zope for Friday, 2016-10-28

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mejoHey again12:48
mejoWe run ancient zope2.10 with python2.4 inside a Debian Lenny chroot. I know that this is evil, but the reality is that a lot of the small projects hosted on the Zope2.10 instance either never will be touched again, or they are huge and porting them would cost too much. It's not my decision and I cannot do anything about it, I just have to deal with it ;(12:49
mejoNow one of these projects needs access to the Apple Push Notification Service and we need to run a apns script that depends heavily on python >= 2.6. My idea is to run this script as a standalone script that takes arguments outside the chroot and write an external method that invokes the script over 'ssh localhost -c apdns_script.py ...'. I just wanted to ask whether you have an idea for a smarter (and less hackish) approach :)12:51
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sallnermejo: have you tried compiling python2.6? maybe that still works even with the other libraries in lenny17:05
mejosallner: might be an option. but then still zope2.10 has to run with python2.4, so at least it's not possible to run an external method with python2.6, right? Also, I've convinced the developers to try to backport the script to python2.4 first.17:12
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sallnermejo: at least you would not have to 'ssh localhost' if you would have compiled py26 somewhere on your system.18:55
mejothat's true. Thanks for the idea. I'll take it into consideration if the backporting fails .)18:56
sallnermejo: backporting _to_ py24 really seems like the wrong investment of paid time o.O https://pythonclock.org/18:56
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sallnerjust out of curiosity: what livetime do you estimate/expect for the systems?18:57
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sallnerwe are currently trying to bring Zope to python 3 so I find it interesting that there are still such old systems in use18:59
sallnermejo: or is it one of the cases, where the business logic is irretrievable burrowed somewhere?19:03
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mejoa bit like that19:06
mejoseveral hundreds of applications on zope 2.10, most of them not beeing developed anymore.19:07
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mejobut at least one is still actively developed and I just got the order to setup a zope2.13 instance and clone the project to this instance so that the developers can start with the migration work.19:19
mejobut I fear that this will be a lot of work19:19
mejosallner: so you mean that you plan to port zope2 to python3? because zope 3 is a completely different story and already python3 anyway, no?19:21
mejoregarding the livetime: I expect at least 5-10 years from now19:23
sallnermejo: mhm I feel sorry for you. Do you have experienced developers for that endeavour?19:38
mejonot really. in the past I ended up coding myself in those occasions and I'm really not an experienced python/zope coder :-/19:40
sallnermejo: There is a plan to release a Zope 4 which will be a reduced set compared to Zope 2.13 and then a Zope 5 which would be the same with python 3 support. The main blocker is RestrictedPython at the moment19:41
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mejook, so you remove ancient/obsolete features from zope2 and clean up the codebase?19:41
mejoanyway, I have to leave now. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll be back here in the next days, maybe we can continue this conversation then?19:42
mejoWould be really interested in the details of your plans for zope2 (zope4, zope5, ...)19:43
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