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| J1m | It's set when the view is created. | 01:05 |
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| srichter | mmh, ok, so browser view is broken | 01:05 |
| srichter | ok | 01:05 |
| * srichter notices how much code is not unit tested | 01:06 | |
| srichter | J1m: mmh, during initialization only the __parent__ is set | 01:06 |
| srichter | the name must be somewhere else | 01:07 |
| J1m | In hooks.py in queryview | 01:08 |
| J1m | if ILocation.providedBy(view): | 01:08 |
| J1m | locate(view, object, name) | 01:08 |
| J1m | The name really isn't important though | 01:08 |
| srichter | it is | 01:08 |
| srichter | for absolute_url ;-) | 01:09 |
| J1m | ok, how often to we compute absolute_url of a view? | 01:09 |
| srichter | in every AddingView :-) | 01:09 |
| srichter | in action() | 01:09 |
| J1m | k | 01:09 |
| srichter | where is hooks.py? | 01:10 |
| J1m | zope/app/component/hooks.py | 01:10 |
| J1m | I don't see any tests for that :( | 01:10 |
| srichter | oh, I removed that probably | 01:10 |
| srichter | ok, I have to readd it | 01:10 |
| srichter | ooh, I see | 01:11 |
| srichter | we do not have queryView anymore | 01:11 |
| srichter | darn | 01:11 |
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| srichter | this is tought | 01:11 |
| srichter | tough | 01:11 |
| J1m | yes | 01:12 |
| srichter | this was an evil trick :-) | 01:12 |
| J1m | we could do something similar for adapters | 01:12 |
| srichter | so hook into queryAdapter? | 01:14 |
| srichter | J1m: or even adapter_hook? | 01:14 |
| J1m | it has to be in zope.app | 01:15 |
| J1m | can't have zope.component or zope.interface do any of this. | 01:15 |
| srichter | right, in hooks.py | 01:15 |
| srichter | of course | 01:15 |
| srichter | oh, ok; it has to be queryMultiAdapter | 01:16 |
| srichter | and then I assume that the first object of the provided tuple is the parent :-) | 01:16 |
| srichter | this hack is just evil | 01:17 |
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| J1m | huh? | 01:19 |
| J1m | Oh | 01:20 |
| J1m | Hm. | 01:20 |
| J1m | It wasn't evil in the contexts of single-object views | 01:20 |
| srichter | right | 01:20 |
| J1m | It's not evil for single-object adapters | 01:21 |
| J1m | Maybe this is something the view factory should do | 01:21 |
| srichter | I would like this much better | 01:21 |
| J1m | hm | 01:21 |
| srichter | the factory of a page would know about its name | 01:22 |
| J1m | sure, this could be asome added value provided by the page directives | 01:23 |
| J1m | sure, this could be some added value provided by the page directives | 01:23 |
| srichter | yep | 01:23 |
| srichter | it would be really easy, since the view class is a location anyways, so I could just say: new_class.__name__ = name | 01:25 |
| srichter | zope.app.publisher.browser.viewmeta page() | 01:25 |
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| srichter | J1m: this is cumbersome too; I have to find every view directive for browser and ensure I set the name | 01:43 |
| srichter | darn | 01:43 |
| srichter | i wish there was an event subscriber | 01:44 |
| srichter | J1m: what if the traverser sets the location? | 01:45 |
| srichter | J1m: this seems to be the best approach | 01:45 |
| J1m | perhaps | 01:54 |
| J1m | There aren't that many directives | 01:56 |
| srichter | well, I just checked and it is pretty confusing | 01:56 |
| J1m | what's the big deal with letting the directives do it? | 01:56 |
| J1m | OK, I'll help | 01:56 |
| J1m | I think having the directives do this is the way to go. | 01:56 |
| srichter | well, we have the page, form and view directive | 01:56 |
| srichter | ok, then I do that | 01:57 |
| J1m | not so bad. :) | 01:57 |
| J1m | k | 01:57 |
| J1m | later | 01:57 |
| srichter | bye | 01:57 |
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| * Damascene wonders how hard it is to get a book published... ;) | 06:09 | |
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| AJC | i have a question about incremental development of a working site (i guess not technically a "production" site then ;) under what circonstances will the objects saved by Zope3 be reloadable, in the case of a code change? if the interfaces remain the same, if the implementation, or schema remains the same? | 09:02 |
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| Damascene | AJC: not sure what you mean. do you mean in what cases can you make a change and zope3 objs will see it immediately vs restarting the service? | 14:35 |
| Damascene | server | 14:35 |
| AJC | lets say i make a news item object, with summary body and headline. | 14:36 |
| AJC | it has an interface, then if i add another text field "source" to the .py schema, would all other existing objects still work? | 14:37 |
| srichter | AJC: yes, as long as your implementation sets a default value | 14:38 |
| AJC | ok, great | 14:42 |
| AJC | thanks | 14:42 |
| AJC | and a question about turn-around times. when i have a new .css resource (or anything) or a new interface, i have to restart the server right? | 14:43 |
| * VladDrac is about to import his zope3 photostuff into svn.zope.org | 14:44 | |
| VladDrac | what would be best... separate photo / photoslide folders? | 14:45 |
| VladDrac | i.e. /repos/main/photo and /repos/main/photoslide, or /repos/main/photo/photo + photoslide? | 14:46 |
| VladDrac | each of them with their own trunk | 14:46 |
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| srichter | VladDrac: why would you want to do this? | 15:00 |
| srichter | VladDrac: does it make sense to use photoslide without photo? | 15:00 |
| VladDrac | not really. it might make sense to use photo without slide | 15:09 |
| VladDrac | also, it's the way it was in the original cvs | 15:09 |
| * VladDrac prefers bundling the two as well | 15:09 | |
| srichter | I think putting them in the same pacakge will be better | 15:11 |
| Damascene | AJC: i think you do need to restart since resources are in the zcml | 15:12 |
| srichter | Having many top level packages is annoying | 15:12 |
| srichter | no, PAge Templates and resource files are updated without restart | 15:12 |
| VladDrac | srichter: so, /repos/main/photo/photoslide/trunk and /repos/main/photo/photo/trunk? | 15:13 |
| srichter | no, /repos/main/photo/trunk/photo and /repos/main/photo/trunk/photoslide | 15:13 |
| srichter | this way you can check out one trunk and get both | 15:14 |
| Damascene | srichter: wait, i can just add a <resource> zcml and it will re-read it on the fly? or you mean if i replace the same <resource> declared in the zcml itself? | 15:14 |
| Damascene | add a new <resource> zcml i mean | 15:14 |
| srichter | no, the resource file itself will be updated | 15:15 |
| srichter | any change in ZCML requires a restart | 15:15 |
| Damascene | k | 15:15 |
| AJC | thanks | 15:16 |
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| VladDrac | srichter ok makes sense | 15:30 |
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| srichter | J1m: are you there? | 18:20 |
| J1m | yes | 18:20 |
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| srichter | J1m: there is this nifty function absoluteURL(ob, request) in zope.app.traversing.browser.absoluteurl | 18:20 |
| srichter | I would like to add it to zapi | 18:20 |
| srichter | is that ok? | 18:20 |
| J1m | k | 18:21 |
| srichter | cool | 18:21 |
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| mgedmin | huh? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | I thought it was already in zapi | 18:32 |
| srichter | not that I could see | 18:33 |
| srichter | and all over the place it used getView(ob, 'absolute_url', req) | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | I was surprised by the discovery myself | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | and surprised that almost no code used it | 18:33 |
| srichter | I think someone forgot to add it | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | src/zope/app/zapi/__init__.py:35:from zope.app.traversing.browser.absoluteurl import absoluteURL | 18:34 |
| srichter | yeah, I think a big find and replace would be good | 18:34 |
| J1m | absoluteURL is already there | 18:34 |
| srichter | :-( | 18:34 |
| srichter | why did I not see it? eeek | 18:34 |
| srichter | all set then | 18:35 |
| srichter | cool | 18:35 |
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| alga | I've to a problem with PAU | 21:44 |
| J1m | what's that? | 21:44 |
| alga | It claims to implement IAuthenticationUtility, but does not have a getPrincipals method | 21:44 |
| J1m | ah | 21:44 |
| alga | should that method not be on that interface, or should it be implemented? | 21:44 |
| J1m | It should not be in that interface. | 21:45 |
| J1m | pau has no good way to implement it. | 21:45 |
| alga | it's a pity | 21:45 |
| J1m | what's a pity? | 21:45 |
| alga | that there's no good way to list all principals | 21:46 |
| alga | that the search interface is so lax | 21:46 |
| SteveA | I don't implement getPrincipals in my utility | 21:46 |
| SteveA | i raise NotImplementedError | 21:46 |
| J1m | The problem is that we want to support user databases so large that it's not practical to list them. | 21:46 |
| SteveA | there could be another interface for inspecting / searching principals | 21:46 |
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| SteveA | but that's probably a different role in the system, not an authentication role | 21:47 |
| SteveA | but a "database of people" role | 21:47 |
| J1m | right | 21:47 |
| J1m | when we want to search for users, we have to get a search view | 21:47 |
| alga | but PAU is a database of people as well, isn't it? | 21:47 |
| SteveA | why? | 21:47 |
| SteveA | who is to say how principals map onto people? | 21:48 |
| J1m | no | 21:48 |
| J1m | The plugins may be databases of people, or they may not | 21:48 |
| J1m | It is often some external system, like ldap | 21:48 |
| SteveA | in launchpad, we use IPerson(request.principal), for example | 21:48 |
| SteveA | to get a Person for the principal. a person is a content object | 21:48 |
| alga | this is all well for the complex use case | 21:50 |
| alga | but what if I just want to list all users in my user folder? | 21:50 |
| SteveA | make your user folder provide an interface to do so | 21:50 |
| J1m | You can do that in an indirect way | 21:50 |
| J1m | Look at how the granting ui works | 21:50 |
| J1m | and as Steve said, the plugin can provide any ui it wants to | 21:51 |
| alga | Yes | 21:52 |
| alga | there's a view for the global auth service that provides ISourceQueryView | 21:53 |
| alga | but there is not adapter for it to ISourceQueriables ... | 21:53 |
| J1m | Right | 21:53 |
| alga | so, even though the global service works fine in the granting view, | 21:54 |
| alga | my application has to distinguish between the global and the local one | 21:54 |
| alga | I think it's a wart | 21:55 |
| J1m | There's a point at which, if we can't get an adapter to ISourceQueriables, then we use a list containing just the auth service as the queryables. | 21:55 |
| J1m | no, it doesn't | 21:55 |
| alga | ah | 21:56 |
| alga | OK | 21:56 |
| alga | so, what about getPrincipals? | 21:58 |
| J1m | It's a problem. | 21:58 |
| J1m | A loose end that I forgot to tie up. | 21:58 |
| SteveA | what about no verifyObject test for PUA? | 21:58 |
| J1m | That's probably a problem too. | 21:59 |
| alga | can we remove it and move it so some interface that just the global principal registry implements? | 21:59 |
| J1m | I think we should deprecate it. | 22:00 |
| J1m | and provide a crappy warning implementation in pau | 22:01 |
| J1m | I'm not sure the best way to do this though. | 22:01 |
| alga | so, the interface is frozen? | 22:02 |
| J1m | interfaces are always supposed to be frozen. | 22:02 |
| J1m | I think we should define an IAuthentication interface without this methos. | 22:03 |
| J1m | I think we should define an IAuthentication interface without this method. | 22:03 |
| J1m | I think then that IAutenticationUtility should extend this interface and, itself, be deprecated. | 22:03 |
| J1m | Then, eventually, we'll do away with IAuthenticationUtility. | 22:04 |
| J1m | I'll take a crack at this. | 22:05 |
| alga | ok, thanks | 22:05 |
| alga | oh | 22:07 |
| alga | zope3-checkins-owner refused my checkin message | 22:07 |
| alga | does it mean that my checkins won't appear on the checkins list? | 22:07 |
| alga | The idea is that the checkins list only gets the checkins of the people who are subscribed to it seems somewhat weird | 22:17 |
| J1m | It is. | 22:20 |
| J1m | It's to try to avoid spam | 22:20 |
| J1m | I guess I could change it to hold mail from non subscribers, which I could then approve. :( | 22:21 |
| J1m | I suppose that's better than the current situation. | 22:21 |
| J1m | I really really hate spammers | 22:22 |
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| Damascene | J1m: well you certainly are not alone. ;) | 22:24 |
| J1m | alga, don't subscribe yet | 22:25 |
| J1m | I've changed the setup. | 22:25 |
| J1m | Please try to commit something and let me know when you do. | 22:25 |
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| mgedmin | two of my checkin messages bounced on december 29 | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | I just subscribed, disabled email delivery and forgot about it | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | I should have raised the issue here or on the mailing list | 22:29 |
| alga | J1m: if you can get a list of emails of the committers off your LDAP directory, you can set that as Privacy->Sender Filters->Accept these nonmembers | 22:45 |
| alga | the problem is that it should be updated when a new person gets the commit privileges | 22:46 |
| J1m | yes | 22:46 |
| alga | then you could reject the rest | 22:46 |
| J1m | If I get the mail held, which is the setting change I just made, I can add names as the need arises. | 22:47 |
| alga | but you'll need to clean up every now and then | 22:47 |
| J1m | yes | 22:48 |
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| mgedmin | bookmarklet! | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | very useful for cleaning up mailman admin queues full of spam | 22:59 |
| tvon | ooh | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | you go through email titles, notice which ones are non-spam, approve them | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | then you click on a bookmarklet and discard the rest in one go | 22:59 |
| * mgedmin wonders if mailman can be configured to accept all messages that have SVN: in the subject line | 23:00 | |
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