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| bradb | projekt01: sorry, wasn't paying attention to IRC, but yes, i was just looking at what happens when the /@@absolute_url view is called on an object, and I can see why ILocation and IContainer are the path to enlightenment | 00:16 |
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| runyaga | he guys | 00:20 |
| runyaga | hey | 00:20 |
| projekt01 | Hi, what's up in the plone world? | 00:22 |
| projekt01 | Are you going to the paris sprint? | 00:23 |
| runyaga | i am trying to get to paris sprint | 00:24 |
| runyaga | we are planning to - yes | 00:24 |
| tarek | cool that would be great | 00:25 |
| projekt01 | Cool, perhaps we see us again. | 00:28 |
| tarek | projekt01: are you coming too ? | 00:29 |
| projekt01 | If we can make a project break. It depends on our customer. We have a bigger project with test customers right now. btw I like to see Paris. | 00:33 |
| tarek | were are you located ? | 00:34 |
| projekt01 | Switzerland, and you | 00:37 |
| tarek | i'm from Dijon/france and I work at Nuxeo, i will participate to the sprint also | 00:38 |
| projekt01 | Cool, Florent invite me, but I told him that didn't have time to come. I meet next week our project manager, perhaps we can make a deal with him and show up. | 00:39 |
| projekt01 | Btw, if you are interrested take a look at http://svn.tiks.org, we developed a huge library the last two years for z3 | 00:41 |
| tarek | that would be cool / the more we will be... | 00:41 |
| projekt01 | There are components like wysiwyg editors and other usefull cms tools in the repository | 00:42 |
| srichter | projekt01: do you have a demo running? | 00:42 |
| tarek | very interesting, is http://www.tiks.org/ on z3 ? | 00:43 |
| projekt01 | Just checkout and use it. | 00:43 |
| projekt01 | Place the tiks package in zope/src and the site-package into the right place and start zope3 | 00:44 |
| projekt01 | You mean based on Zope 3? | 00:44 |
| tarek | yes i mean based on your lib | 00:44 |
| projekt01 | Yes, all packages are python/zope3 packages. | 00:45 |
| tarek | i'll try out thanks for the link | 00:46 |
| srichter | projekt01: does www.tiks.org use Tiks or Plone? | 00:46 |
| projekt01 | srichter, Tiks is only written for z3. | 00:47 |
| tarek | that was my question indeed ;) but i think it's a plone | 00:47 |
| projekt01 | Tiks is just a collection of packages for z3 right now. We build our projects with this packages | 00:48 |
| tarek | projekt01: do you have a default portal package included in it ? like a CMFPlone or CPSDefault ? | 00:50 |
| projekt01 | Tiks has more then 40 useful z3 packages and over 25 skin relevant packages. | 00:51 |
| projekt01 | Right now we are 4 developers developing on it and have acctualy two bigger projects with a intranet, internet, extranet and... | 00:52 |
| srichter | wow, cool | 00:52 |
| projekt01 | A automation solution for industrial sytems | 00:52 |
| projekt01 | Stefan, that's something for you | 00:52 |
| tarek | wow | 00:52 |
| srichter | :-) how so? | 00:53 |
| tarek | like a kind of erp ? | 00:53 |
| projekt01 | We replace a zope2 solution which builds a quality process system communicating with SAP | 00:54 |
| srichter | cool! | 00:54 |
| projekt01 | stefan, our customers like z3 and your book, really they see the difference between Zope2 or other solutions. | 00:57 |
| srichter | awesome! did you get them some paper copies? | 00:59 |
| projekt01 | Not right now, Dominik ordered some copies at amazon for our customers as a givaway. We used some PDF's for teaching them. | 01:01 |
| projekt01 | Where did checkin the bforest in z3? | 01:01 |
| srichter | you mean who? | 01:02 |
| srichter | I think it was Gary | 01:03 |
| srichter | (Poster) | 01:03 |
| tarek | are you people using the catalog in zope 3 ? | 01:04 |
| srichter | no | 01:04 |
| tarek | i have a zcatalog in my five product and i was wondering if it worth a try at this time... | 01:05 |
| philiKON | tarek, i would continue using the z2 catalog for now | 01:05 |
| tarek | to switch to zope.app.catalog | 01:05 |
| tarek | philiKON: ok thanks for the tip, i was wondering | 01:06 |
| projekt01 | Yes how, 4 functional tests are broken in bforest.txt | 01:08 |
| projekt01 | Right? Or just on my windows? | 01:08 |
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| srichter | projekt01: mmh, send gary a mail | 01:13 |
| projekt01 | Ok, I will | 01:14 |
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| zagy | moin | 09:06 |
| SteveA | moinmoin | 09:14 |
| zagy | hi SteveA :) | 09:21 |
| zagy | how's life? :) | 09:21 |
| SteveA | i'm well. currently in cape town at a company meeting. | 09:27 |
| zagy | wuah :) | 09:27 |
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| VladDrac | has anyone given versioning under zope3 any thought? | 12:46 |
| regebro | Evidently not. ;) | 12:48 |
| regebro | I can say that I have had some success in making a proxy-type storage, similar to what CPS3 uses for version handling. | 12:49 |
| regebro | If that is gonna be useful or not, I can't say at this stage. | 12:49 |
| SteveA | versioning meaning what? | 12:50 |
| SteveA | if you mean handling different deployed versions of source code classes, then look at generations | 12:52 |
| SteveA | if you mean versioning of content in your application, then nothing in particular has been done | 12:52 |
| SteveA | there was talk at the castle sprint | 12:53 |
| VladDrac | I mean versioned content, yes | 12:56 |
| VladDrac | I wonder how fundamental it is, in relation to security and workflow | 12:58 |
| VladDrac | it's too fundamental to ever be properly implemented in zope2 / cmf I guess | 12:58 |
| regebro | VladDrac: Not at all. CPS has implemented it, it works just fine. | 13:10 |
| regebro | I'd say it is about as "fundamental" as workflow, meaning that it is much, much less fundamental than security. | 13:11 |
| regebro | Zope2s problem was that they tried to make fundamental versioning. The "versions" of zope2 wan't useful. | 13:11 |
| VladDrac | I'm not familiar with the cps solution actually - I might look into it | 13:11 |
| regebro | It works fine. Although I'm not 100% sure it's the right solution for Zope3 yet. | 13:12 |
| VladDrac | is the cps solution archetype based? | 13:14 |
| VladDrac | (or will it work with archetypes?) | 13:15 |
| regebro | It's completely independant of what the documents are. | 13:15 |
| regebro | Although the skins must know that it's using the solution. | 13:16 |
| regebro | I know Plone-people have discussed it, maybe somebody has done wome work on it already. | 13:16 |
| SteveA | it is not fundamental to zope3 | 13:16 |
| SteveA | we have interfaces and utilities. this ought to be an add-on | 13:16 |
| regebro | I don't have a clear picture of where the "split" is, but I guess this would go wherever the workflow goes. "Goldegg"? | 13:18 |
| SteveA | sure | 13:18 |
| srichter | regebro: there is a versioning package in Zope 3 and at the Munich sprint in October there was a group working on it as well | 13:42 |
| regebro | Alright. Cool. | 13:42 |
| srichter | regebro: the checked in version does not support branching and such, but it could be added | 13:43 |
| srichter | I think Jim is looking for an owner | 13:43 |
| regebro | No me! :) | 13:43 |
| regebro | Not me! :) I mean. | 13:43 |
| srichter | :-) | 13:43 |
| srichter | I still do not understand why you are using proxies to do versioning | 13:44 |
| srichter | proxies are evil, just sometimes necessary | 13:44 |
| regebro | Because you want to be able to switch version without switching the URL. HOw would you do that without some sort of proxying? | 13:46 |
| srichter | I would probably write a custom traverser for this object | 13:47 |
| srichter | I am not sure how the version code in the repos does it; I would need to check it out | 13:48 |
| regebro | But wouldn't you then necessarily end up with /path/to/object/man_version instead of /path/to/object or something? | 13:48 |
| regebro | And: Itsn't that just a type of proxying in any case, if you have a "version" object that returns the correct *real* version object instead of itself? | 13:50 |
| VladDrac | it'll be alot like proxying anyway | 14:00 |
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| VladDrac | I want to define a schema with a 'class' attribute (in zcml) but I can't name my schema attribute 'class' (keyword) - how do I work around this? | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | I think you just need to use 'class_' | 18:21 |
| VladDrac | yeah | 18:22 |
| VladDrac | just figured that out | 18:22 |
| VladDrac | seems rather implicit | 18:22 |
| VladDrac | specifying an explicit (alternative) id to a Field would seem more logical | 18:22 |
| * mgedmin suddenly wonders | 18:23 | |
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| srichter | VladDrac: nope, there is no implicty in it | 19:22 |
| srichter | all Python keywords simply have a '_' appended | 19:22 |
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| mgedmin | I want to propose a Timedelta field for zope.schema | 20:14 |
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| srichter | mgedmin: ok, go for it :-) | 20:19 |
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| mgedmin | oops :-) | 20:22 |
| srichter | he he | 20:25 |
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| mgedmin | what's zope/app/schema/fields.zcml? | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | zope.schema.Datetime has a <content> declaration there, but zope.schema.Date doesn't | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | I don't know if I should add one for zope.schema.Timedelta | 21:00 |
| J1m | Yes, you should | 21:01 |
| J1m | You wil need security declarations | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | should I add missing security declarations for zope.schema.Date as well? | 21:04 |
| J1m | Probably | 21:06 |
| J1m | ah wait | 21:06 |
| J1m | I'm being dense | 21:07 |
| J1m | why did we need security declarations for DateTime I wonder | 21:07 |
| J1m | Ignore my other answer | 21:07 |
| J1m | It's not clear to me why this was needed. | 21:07 |
| J1m | It's all a question of why fields would get security proxied. | 21:08 |
| J1m | do we have declarations for things like Text? | 21:08 |
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| * mgedmin checks | 21:10 | |
| mgedmin | yes | 21:11 |
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| mgedmin | svn claims that I now have 32 "modified" files in my sandbox | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | svn diff shows $Id:$ versus $Id$ | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | svn revert does nothing to them | 21:40 |
| philiKON | svn doesn't pick up anything if you put in $Id:$ | 21:41 |
| philiKON | it needs to read $Id$ | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | I did not do *anything* | 21:43 |
| philiKON | ah, ok | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | well, I did 'svn up' | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | for some reason those files in .svn/text-base/ contain "$Id:$" rather than just "$Id$" | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | subversion replaces "$Id: ... whatever$" in the file with just $Id$ and then compares it with the base version | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | how did that : get into the base version, I wonder? | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | someone used a different version of the subversion client when committing? | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | looks like http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1823 | 21:47 |
| philiKON | just remember that somebody used $Id:$ once or twice in checkins I saw on zope3-checkins | 21:49 |
| philiKON | s/just/I just/ | 21:49 |
| philiKON | but i figured they'd realize that on their own | 21:49 |
| philiKON | not sure if that's an explanation for your symptoms | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | according to that bug, if someone commits a $Id:$ and then later sets svn:keywords, then everyone will see the file as spuriously modified | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | although srichter said he didn't see any spuriously modified files when I last complained about this | 21:53 |
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| philiKON | mgedmin, i guess the fix is to remove svn:keywords, Put it in $Id$ and reset svn:keywords | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | probably | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | still, I'm surprised that I seem to be the only one who gets these symptoms | 21:55 |
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