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| nederhoed | hello? | 00:04 |
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| nederhoed | wazza | 00:17 |
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| nederhoed | hello | 00:27 |
| srichter | hi | 00:33 |
| nederhoed | i not very experienced with irc, hence my questions | 00:34 |
| nederhoed | I bought your book (at work), nice job | 00:34 |
| srichter | thanks :-) | 00:34 |
| nederhoed | first printed some of the online pdfs | 00:35 |
| nederhoed | is there a zope3-user channel too maybe? | 00:35 |
| nederhoed | I'm not really a z3 developer | 00:35 |
| srichter | no, this channel is it for now | 00:36 |
| nederhoed | ok | 00:36 |
| srichter | just ask your questions here | 00:36 |
| nederhoed | ok, no questions at the moment. Came here to feel the buzz :) | 00:37 |
| srichter | not much of a buzz here ;-) this channel is very conservative about chatting noise | 00:38 |
| srichter | (iow, no off-topic chatting) | 00:38 |
| nederhoed | as it should be (?) | 00:38 |
| srichter | well, many rooms have a lot of dumb chatting going on | 00:38 |
| _projekt01 | nederhoed, Hi are you good in CSS? | 00:43 |
| nederhoed | not particularly | 00:44 |
| nederhoed | experiencing css problems? | 00:44 |
| _projekt01 | Do you know a good resource for nested menus? (menu or toolbar) | 00:45 |
| nederhoed | no, sorry, can't help you with that | 00:46 |
| _projekt01 | That's Ok, I google for it, see you next time | 00:46 |
| nederhoed | i found this page on the logs: | 00:47 |
| nederhoed | http://www.kundenprojekt.ch/demo/index.html | 00:47 |
| _projekt01 | Yes, that was me | 00:47 |
| nederhoed | bye | 00:47 |
| nederhoed | haha, ok | 00:47 |
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| J1m | srichter, ayt? | 15:56 |
| srichter | yep | 15:59 |
| J1m | I wonder if we should include wsgi | 15:59 |
| J1m | I wonder if it is really ready | 16:00 |
| J1m | has anyone used it in production? | 16:00 |
| philiKON | well, no, but modzope uses it | 16:00 |
| philiKON | pretty successfully | 16:00 |
| J1m | BTW, does your twisted integration use the wsgi framework for http? | 16:00 |
| J1m | philiKON, That is great news | 16:00 |
| philiKON | i only have a (thread-related) bug when using ZEO | 16:00 |
| philiKON | i need to bug tim about this :) | 16:01 |
| J1m | so you'e used the zope.app.wsgi to integrate w mod_python? | 16:01 |
| philiKON | yup | 16:01 |
| J1m | That's great | 16:01 |
| srichter | J1m: of course | 16:01 |
| philiKON | http://codespeak.net/svn/z3/modzope/trunk/src/modzope/ | 16:01 |
| J1m | wow | 16:02 |
| J1m | It would be great to highlight this in the 3.1 release. | 16:02 |
| philiKON | i'd done a 1.0 release of modzope if this bug weren't there | 16:02 |
| philiKON | maybe i should make a .9 | 16:02 |
| J1m | It would be great if we could arrange it so it is straightforward for someone to use twisted or mod_python with z3.1. | 16:03 |
| J1m | at least for http | 16:03 |
| srichter | this would seriously take some time | 16:03 |
| J1m | srichter, why? | 16:03 |
| philiKON | is http://codespeak.net/svn/z3/modzope/trunk/INSTALL.txt not straight forward? | 16:03 |
| philiKON | (see last 2 paragraphs) | 16:04 |
| srichter | I think it would take some time to get it right | 16:04 |
| philiKON | twisted is probably more complicated than modzope | 16:04 |
| srichter | personally I do not care if the release is delayed | 16:05 |
| srichter | but my gut feeling is that is would cause a 1 month delay | 16:05 |
| srichter | unless someone works on it next week with some effort | 16:06 |
| philiKON | release early and often :) | 16:06 |
| J1m | philiKON, I'm a little confused. I would think that if apache was configured to use multiple processes, that it would send many requests to each process, so that the zope startup cost would be amortized over many requests. | 16:06 |
| philiKON | well, multiple process == multiple zope instances | 16:07 |
| J1m | srichter, I thought you already had this working | 16:07 |
| philiKON | that's not what i want | 16:07 |
| srichter | ok, Claudia got up; time for me to start the morning boot sequence | 16:07 |
| srichter | J1m: on the branch | 16:07 |
| srichter | which would need merging | 16:07 |
| philiKON | i want one zope instance and multiple apache threads connecting to it | 16:07 |
| J1m | philiKON, That's what I want. Then apache should load-balence | 16:07 |
| philiKON | ah | 16:07 |
| philiKON | it's not that easy | 16:07 |
| philiKON | apache kills a process when it doesn't need it anymore | 16:07 |
| philiKON | and it starts up new ones unde rload | 16:07 |
| philiKON | that means instances constantly get started and killed | 16:08 |
| philiKON | unless you configure min_servers = max_servers = N | 16:08 |
| J1m | srichter, I would hope that if one just wanted HTTP, there could be a separate package, or even a separate set of instructions that let people use z3,1's wsgi support to integrate with twisted. | 16:08 |
| J1m | philiKON, right, so configure min_servers and max servers | 16:09 |
| srichter | I note that the twisted.web2 code has not yet been released either | 16:09 |
| philiKON | J1m, it's something i'll have to play with | 16:09 |
| srichter | and yeah, it is possible | 16:09 |
| philiKON | J1m, my goal wasn't so much the load balacing | 16:09 |
| srichter | I would say that about 2-3 days of work would bring everything into a stable condition | 16:10 |
| J1m | If the wsgi stuff works, I think this is a major feature of 3.1. | 16:10 |
| srichter | well, so do we want to live with the delay | 16:10 |
| philiKON | ready or not, i'm against a delay | 16:11 |
| J1m | srichter, I would say that, independent of (ie after) the 3.1 release, it would be great to provide twisted http support as an add on. | 16:11 |
| srichter | right, but then we have to merge some bug fixes | 16:11 |
| J1m | I'm against a delay too | 16:11 |
| srichter | I did not keep track of all the things I fixed to make twisted work correctly | 16:11 |
| J1m | so are you saying the wsgi stuff is broken? | 16:12 |
| srichter | it might or might not be just this one bodyFile bug | 16:12 |
| J1m | srichter, would this affect the wsgi stuff? | 16:12 |
| srichter | not the WSGI stuff, but some other components might | 16:12 |
| srichter | ah, I also did some improvements to zope.app.wsgi | 16:12 |
| srichter | something about header values | 16:13 |
| J1m | I think there would be a significant benefit in allowing other servers to be used for HTTP via wsgi *independent* of the 3.1 release. | 16:13 |
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| J1m | That is, I think that it would be super great if 3.1 would support using other servers via wsgi without including these others servers in the release. | 16:13 |
| philiKON | all modzope needs is the trunk's wsgi module | 16:14 |
| J1m | OK | 16:14 |
| J1m | So we sould definately include the wsgi code in 3.1. | 16:15 |
| srichter | I would do it | 16:15 |
| srichter | nothing major was wrong with it | 16:15 |
| J1m | Perhaps we'll need a 3.1.1 to get the twisted/wsgi integration working. | 16:15 |
| srichter | or a quick 3.2 | 16:15 |
| J1m | For that matter, we could get srichter's fixes in in a later beta. | 16:15 |
| srichter | that too | 16:16 |
| J1m | I think we should try to get the first beta out as soon as we can. | 16:16 |
| srichter | I am in general for getting all this to work nicely, I'll just note that I am totally booked till July 12 | 16:16 |
| srichter | till July 1 I teach and do the ST work and then my parents want to come and lurk around ;-) | 16:17 |
| J1m | I think we should try to get 3.1 out as soon as we can. | 16:17 |
| srichter | ok | 16:17 |
| J1m | I would not want the twisted/wsgi to delay it. | 16:17 |
| J1m | If that means a later 3.1.1 (or 3.2) then so be it. | 16:18 |
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| srichter | ok | 16:18 |
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| J1m | srichter, the current release definition is incomplete. | 16:23 |
| J1m | It, at least, does not include the catalog support. | 16:24 |
| J1m | Does anyone know if zope.app.externaleditor works? | 16:31 |
| J1m | Does anyone know if dav got fixed? | 16:31 |
| srichter | it got fixed | 16:37 |
| srichter | that was one of the show-stoppers | 16:37 |
| srichter | externaleditor dunno | 16:37 |
| J1m | It mostly works | 16:39 |
| J1m | Needs locking | 16:39 |
| J1m | would be nice to include. | 16:40 |
| srichter | mmh, I think we can do that | 16:40 |
| J1m | Brian implemented a locking api | 16:40 |
| J1m | Need someone to do the webdav side. | 16:41 |
| J1m | do you know which fixed the dav stuff we had? | 16:41 |
| J1m | do you know who fixed the dav stuff we had? | 16:41 |
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| srichter | I forgot | 17:00 |
| srichter | but I think it was hdima | 17:00 |
| J1m | k | 17:00 |
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| projekt01 | J1m, I used the external editor and it works without locking | 17:30 |
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