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| ChrisW | does Zope 2.9 use Zope 3's test.py? | 15:31 |
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| ChrisW | if so, why does it ignore the module filter I pass in? | 15:31 |
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| srichter | yes | 15:36 |
| ChrisW | Usage: test.py [options] [MODULE] [TEST] | 15:36 |
| srichter | you have to ask Jim about the module filer | 15:37 |
| srichter | I commonly just do this: test.py -vpu1 -s some.path | 15:37 |
| ChrisW | right, so if I do "C:\Zope\2.9.1\bin\python.exe C:\Zope\2.9.1\bin\test.py --config-file C:\Zope\inst\etc\zope.conf --keepbytecode Products.MailTemplates" I'd expect to only run that products tests, right? | 15:37 |
| srichter | sometimes: test.py -vpu1 -s some.path test_something mydoc.txt | 15:37 |
| * ChrisW shrugs, I'll chuck it in the collector | 15:38 | |
| srichter | I would say so, yes | 15:38 |
| ChrisW | shoudl I assign it to Jim or will that piss him off? | 15:38 |
| srichter | I dunno... shoot a mail to the list too; maybe you get a quicker response there | 15:39 |
| ChrisW | k, will stick the issue in the tracker and send a mail to the list | 15:40 |
| ChrisW | ugh | 15:40 |
| ChrisW | but which list | 15:40 |
| srichter | send it to both | 15:40 |
| ChrisW | damn, I wish we could just get on and mail zope3-dev and zope-dev@zope.org | 15:40 |
| ChrisW | mail -> merge | 15:40 |
| ChrisW | wow, zope.org is nippy today ;-) | 15:42 |
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| J1m | Does anybody know where there is readable (non Tex) ZConfig documentation? | 17:07 |
| srichter | I thought a compiled PDF version is in the source; obviously I am wrong | 17:09 |
| srichter | J1m: btw, what's the state of the adapter-branch? | 17:09 |
| J1m | Local configuration work needs to be finished with backward compatibility. | 17:10 |
| srichter | ok | 17:11 |
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| J1m | There is a pdf. Unfortunately, emacs considers pdfs uninteresting. I really need to fix that. | 17:20 |
| srichter | he he | 17:21 |
| J1m | I find the ZConfig schema documentation to be impenetrable. | 17:29 |
| srichter | I agree | 17:31 |
| J1m | I give up trying to do anything with ZConfig without Fred. | 17:48 |
| J1m | We really need to untangle our servers. | 17:48 |
| J1m | They are a real mess. | 17:48 |
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| joshz | what is the best way to get started with zope3? | 21:27 |
| pcardune | depending on your past programming experience, I'd say either the Zope3 developer's handbook, or "Web Component Development with Zope 3" | 21:28 |
| srichter | joshz: there are several quick start tutorials | 21:28 |
| srichter | and then read the books as Paul suggests | 21:28 |
| pcardune | srichter: beat you to it | 21:28 |
| srichter | :-) | 21:28 |
| joshz | ive used zope 2 quite a bit | 21:28 |
| joshz | should I start with Boring product? | 21:29 |
| pcardune | step one: remove all memory of zope 2. (don't quote me on that) | 21:29 |
| joshz | i figured that out already | 21:29 |
| pcardune | that's a good place to start | 21:29 |
| joshz | what do you use for a dev environment? | 21:29 |
| joshz | also: I followed instructions in Zope book and it didnt work properly | 21:30 |
| joshz | has the api changed? | 21:31 |
| joshz | for MessageBoard product that is | 21:31 |
| pcardune | joshz: a changing api is a major problem with learning out of zope books | 21:33 |
| joshz | also: one more concern is capacity, can Zope run a Really Big Site? | 21:33 |
| joshz | pcardune: i see | 21:33 |
| pcardune | some of the code from the books will give you deprecation warnings (although it should all still run) | 21:33 |
| joshz | MessageBoard does not register properly | 21:33 |
| joshz | secondly does not say where to put messageboard-configure.zcml | 21:34 |
| joshz | if you are running from SVN | 21:34 |
| pcardune | search for a package-includes folder, it should go in there | 21:34 |
| joshz | in zope-skel i think | 21:34 |
| pcardune | I would recommend working with zope instance if you aren't already | 21:35 |
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| joshz | i put it in there and it deregistered everything else | 21:35 |
| joshz | how do I make a zope instance from the SVN? | 21:35 |
| pcardune | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LearningZope3 | 21:36 |
| joshz | thanks | 21:39 |
| joshz | im running kubuntu myself | 21:39 |
| joshz | z3 is very intimidating for newcomers | 21:40 |
| pcardune | joshz: you should take a look at http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/pyBiblio/courses/zope3class/ | 21:40 |
| joshz | has anyone thought of making demo movies like RoR has? | 21:41 |
| joshz | pcardune: thanks | 21:41 |
| joshz | btw- does anyone know anything about Zope + Google? are they using it there? | 21:42 |
| pcardune | i dont know anything about RoR... although they're slogan is tantalizing "web development that doesn't hurt" | 21:43 |
| pcardune | wow... that was a bad typo i meant their, not they're | 21:43 |
| joshz | how many RoR programmers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? | 21:43 |
| srichter | joshz: no, zope is not used at google | 21:43 |
| joshz | srichter: did they look at it? | 21:44 |
| joshz | btw Answer to Joke: its already done for you all you have to do is screw it in. | 21:46 |
| pcardune | joshz: that's funny | 21:47 |
| joshz | pcardune: if youve used ruby is really funny | 21:47 |
| rockyburt | lol, just realized with all of the small commits i make because of svk, i'm going to flood zope-cvs-checkins or whatever that mailing list is ;) | 21:47 |
| pcardune | i haven't even looked at it (yet) | 21:48 |
| joshz | what concerns me about ruby is that the biggest site is from the people who developed RoR | 21:48 |
| joshz | there is a lot of talk about RoR and much less DO | 21:48 |
| joshz | as usual Zope falls short only in its PR | 21:49 |
| pcardune | i'll have to look into ruby one of these days | 21:50 |
| joshz | pcardune: its not as structured as zope | 21:51 |
| joshz | pcardune: not as much facilities | 21:51 |
| joshz | pcardune: that edubuntu tutorial is incomplete | 21:58 |
| pcardune | joshz: which part? | 21:59 |
| joshz | pcardune: it does not make a full working component | 22:01 |
| joshz | pcardune: jsut some interfaces and test | 22:01 |
| joshz | another general q: can I add users through the ZMI? | 22:01 |
| pcardune | I think so, but i don't know how | 22:02 |
| joshz | pcardune: how long have you been using Z3? | 22:02 |
| pcardune | 9 months or so | 22:02 |
| pcardune | I started learning it about 9 months ago | 22:02 |
| pcardune | i'm still learning :) | 22:03 |
| pcardune | but I haven't been using it heavily during all that 9 months, not like programming 8 hours a day (as nice as that would be) | 22:03 |
| kamalgill | joshz: would you be interested in attending a 4-day Z3 training session? | 22:07 |
| joshz | kamalgill: what is the price? | 22:07 |
| kamalgill | $3k | 22:07 |
| kamalgill | http://www.adaptivewave.com/training/training-sessions/zope-3-training | 22:08 |
| joshz | kamalgill: that is a bit high | 22:08 |
| kamalgill | joshz: it might seem a bit high, but Stephan Richter is an *excellent* instructor | 22:09 |
| joshz | kamalgill: im sure he is | 22:10 |
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| joshz | kamalgill: is it with Zope corporation? | 22:11 |
| kamalgill | joshz: no, it's in San Francisco | 22:12 |
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| joshz | im in Phoenix | 22:13 |
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