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| rocky | J1m: | 00:45 |
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| rocky | J1m: ping | 00:45 |
| J1m | I'm on the phone atm, I'll be available in a bit. | 00:47 |
| rocky | k | 00:51 |
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| J1m | rocky, what's up? | 01:13 |
| rocky | J1m: was wondering if the full foundation committer invitee list is private or not... strikes me as odd that i'm the only plone framework team member on that list ... so if the full list isn't private i'd like to knock some plone heads ;) | 01:14 |
| J1m | I'm not sure if it should or shouldn't. It would be a good questions to raise on the list. :) | 01:16 |
| rocky | hehe, ok, will do ;) | 01:16 |
| J1m | Repeat after me: "Jim is not in charge." :) | 01:16 |
| rocky | lol | 01:17 |
| J1m | btw, other plone developers were invitd to become members. | 01:17 |
| rocky | i figured there were | 01:17 |
| J1m | Basically anyone who checked in in the last year and a half were invited. | 01:17 |
| J1m | For example, Whit and Rob should have gotten invites. | 01:18 |
| J1m | Maybe you could nag them. :) | 01:18 |
| rocky | great... those were two specifically i had in mind ;) | 01:18 |
| rocky | indeed | 01:18 |
| rocky | thats exactly why i was asking | 01:18 |
| whit | hmmm.... | 01:18 |
| rocky | lol | 01:18 |
| whit | I got no invite | 01:19 |
| rocky | speak of the ... | 01:19 |
| whit | but I gotta go | 01:19 |
| J1m | whit, hm.... now that you mention it. I don't see your name on the list. | 01:20 |
| J1m | I think there was some confusion about your account though. | 01:20 |
| J1m | whit, please get with me when you have time so we can sort it out. | 01:20 |
| rocky | whit's account isn't the only thing confusing about him :) | 01:20 |
| J1m | BTW, it would make a lot of sense for the Plone Foundation to Join as a Strategic Developer. | 01:21 |
| J1m | imo | 01:21 |
| rocky | i need to re-read things to figure out exactly what a strategic developer actually is | 01:21 |
| rocky | but the 26pgs of foundation by-laws kind of made me put off reading things again for a bit ;) | 01:22 |
| * rocky needs the condensed version :) | 01:22 | |
| J1m | There are only 3 pages of bylaws | 01:22 |
| rocky | um, what did i download? | 01:23 |
| rocky | "Zope Foundation By Laws" | 01:23 |
| rocky | http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Foundation/ZopeFoundationByLaws.pdf ... my pdf reader puts it at 26 pgs | 01:23 |
| J1m | oops | 01:23 |
| J1m | sorry I was looking at the contrib | 01:24 |
| J1m | clicked on the wrong link. :) | 01:24 |
| rocky | lol | 01:24 |
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| rocky | J1m: the bylaws state "Strategic Developer Members shall be entities that meet the requirements of a Strategic Developer Member as set forth under the heading “Strategic Developer Members” in the Membership Agreement, as amended from time to time in accordance with any and all requirements of these Bylaws set forth herein." | 01:28 |
| rocky | but i can't seem to find anything on "Strategic Developer Members" in my membership agreement | 01:29 |
| rocky | i assume there's another strategic developer membership agreement someplace i haven't seen? | 01:29 |
| J1m | You mean the committer agreement? | 01:29 |
| rocky | well, i don't know what i meant... just that i can't find where its described what a strategic developer member is ;) | 01:29 |
| rocky | sorry if i'm being a pest, but i'd prefer to understand that part a bit more before i present it to the plone foundation ;) | 01:30 |
| J1m | I'm not aware that there is a membership agreement for any members but committers, who arte not stregic developers. :) | 01:30 |
| J1m | Of course | 01:30 |
| J1m | Just a sec | 01:30 |
| J1m | Oh, there's another doc. :) | 01:32 |
| J1m | Just a minute, I'll post it. | 01:32 |
| J1m | Rob is working on posting some docs too. | 01:32 |
| rocky | kk | 01:33 |
| J1m | Crap, we all need to sign this agreement too. Waaaaa. | 01:35 |
| rocky | lol | 01:36 |
| J1m | http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Foundation/ZopeFoundationMembershipAgreement.pdf | 01:40 |
| J1m | 11 pages. Sigh. | 01:40 |
| J1m | Hm, maybe strategic developer makes no sense | 01:42 |
| rocky | oh, hm... don't think plone foundation has hired two full time developers | 01:42 |
| rocky | well, plone foundation wouldn't qualify | 01:42 |
| J1m | Does the PF even have employees? | 01:43 |
| rocky | don't believe so | 01:43 |
| J1m | Perhaps strategic consumer would make sense. | 01:43 |
| J1m | Assuming that the PF signed up 3 contributors, the cost would be $10,000 | 01:44 |
| J1m | But then you could appoint a Board member. | 01:44 |
| rocky | interesting | 01:44 |
| J1m | which would be a good thing imo. | 01:44 |
| rocky | we shouldn't have any problem getting 3 contributors with commit access signed up | 01:45 |
| J1m | Yup | 01:45 |
| rocky | i'm sure even on the plone framework team alone there are at least 3 people with zope committ writes | 01:45 |
| rocky | *rights | 01:45 |
| * philiKON is a PF member | 01:46 | |
| philiKON | ;) | 01:46 |
| J1m | I need to make sure it is clear how to submit this thing. | 01:46 |
| J1m | It looks like there are 3 pages that need to be written on. | 01:48 |
| J1m | I'm not gonna tell people about this until tomorrow. :) | 01:49 |
| rocky | hehe | 01:51 |
| philiKON | g'night | 01:58 |
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| eins | hi | 08:06 |
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| volvox | am I the only one to receive a bunch of messages in zope3-users that is one month old? | 13:55 |
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| rocky | hm, what pkg/setup do i use on zope 3.2 to get events running for tests ? (i know on zope 3.3 its zope.component.eventtesting.setUp) | 14:18 |
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| hannosch | can somebody point me to the right contributer agreement to get svn write access? I couldn't find the one from Zope Foundation or do I still have to sign the old one? | 15:21 |
| srichter | hannosch: this is a question for J1m, I think :-) I am not sure. | 15:22 |
| J1m | You have to sign the old one for now. | 15:22 |
| hannosch | thx, I heard some people already got the new one sent to them, that's why I was wondering ;) | 15:23 |
| J1m | Although I expect it will turn out that we'll start having people sign the new one soon. | 15:23 |
| J1m | Those people were invited to become ZF committer members based on their past contributions. | 15:23 |
| hannosch | ok. I'll get the old one :) | 15:24 |
| hannosch | srichter: did you see my mail about my i18n enhancement plans? I've seen that the TODO comment in INegotiator about the lack of using IAvailableLanguages was written by you and was wondering if you had already some ideas about how to solve that one? | 15:27 |
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| srichter | hannosch: no, I have not read your mail yet; actually, I just deleted this discussion, since I did not want to get involved. I have no ideas about I18n at this point | 15:28 |
| hannosch | srichter: ok, fine, so phili is the one I should talk to? | 15:29 |
| srichter | I only know two things: (a) micro-domains are better than monolithc ones, and (b) We need to be able to register multiple mo files for the same domain, so that we can do translation merging and overriding | 15:29 |
| srichter | you can talk to me to, but you need to make sure I am listening ;-) | 15:30 |
| srichter | Is there a Python implementation of a PO to MO converter? | 15:32 |
| hannosch | srichter: no problem, I have some experience in annoying people, as I'm managing the plone bug tracker for some time ;) we agree on a). | 15:32 |
| srichter | If not automatic generation of MO files will be hard | 15:32 |
| hannosch | srichter: there is, PTS currently does this | 15:32 |
| srichter | ok, but I would like to see a proposal | 15:33 |
| srichter | I think that detecting changes in the PO files would be cool | 15:33 |
| srichter | like APT works now | 15:33 |
| srichter | I am not too thrilled about the "tracker mode" as I think it is pointless | 15:34 |
| hannosch | srichter: sure, I'll write proposals, right now I'm trying to figure out what people think should go into Zope3 core and what should live in add-ons | 15:34 |
| srichter | we have i18nextract whcih gets us all strings from all the sources | 15:34 |
| srichter | all strings that are not translated in the PO files are thus strings that are not available | 15:34 |
| srichter | hannosch: btw, you can feel free to call me; this is a too low bandwidth channel for me | 15:35 |
| hannosch | oh that's interesting, I put it on my list after talking to philiKON. Personally I'm not much of a fan of this either. /me lives in Germany and prefers mailing lists and IRC ;) | 15:36 |
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| srichter | so what, it costs me about $0.06 per minute to call and I think with the 01024 number it costs you about 0.03 Euros per minute | 15:37 |
| hannosch | hum, havn't done any international calls in a while, but my current provider doesn't allow me to use any special prefix numbers | 15:39 |
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| fdrake | Theuni: have an AIM id? | 16:46 |
| Theuni | sure. i pinged you on aim | 16:47 |
| fdrake | thanks | 16:47 |
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| J1m | Can anyone here lookup, ping, or otherwise see bubblenet.be? | 17:40 |
| hannosch | nope | 17:42 |
| J1m | Thanks | 17:43 |
| J1m | If anyone here sees Godefroid, ask him wtf with his email address. :) | 17:44 |
| J1m | (That's short for "what the fudge".) | 17:44 |
| benji | mmm, fudge | 17:45 |
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| faassen | gotcha@bubblenet.be should be his email address. | 18:15 |
| hannosch | I just talked to him, he's currently switching over to a new hosting provider | 18:16 |
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| Aiste | Godefroid's email is borken at the moment | 18:40 |
| Aiste | he can be reached by gotcha@swing.be | 18:40 |
| Aiste | currently | 18:40 |
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| roym` | If I set dc.title on an object, I can then access it as context/zope:title | 23:30 |
| roym` | However, I cannot seem to get the same results with | 23:31 |
| roym` | dc.creators = ["name1"] and context/zope:creators | 23:31 |
| roym` | What am I missing? | 23:31 |
| roym` | (dc is the IWriteZopeDublinCore adapter) | 23:31 |
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