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| rocky | hm, there aren't any sensible date widgets available in zope core? | 14:37 |
| ignas | rocky: no | 14:38 |
| rocky | is this by design or just that no one has gotten around to doing one? | 14:38 |
| ignas | i think the second one | 14:39 |
| rocky | hm, what is the default widget that a Bool uses called? | 14:40 |
| ignas | don't know really | 14:41 |
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| ignas | anyone who had worked on zope.index.text.queryparser ? | 14:42 |
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| volvox | rocky, zc.datetimewidget contains the LGPL dynarch widget, maybe it is intended to go in zope core? | 15:05 |
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| rocky | volvox: oh, thanks for pointing that one out | 15:10 |
| volvox | rocky: it needs some patch to make it work with xhtml and avoid innerHTML, let me know if you need it | 15:11 |
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| rocky | oh, ick ;) | 15:11 |
| rocky | as we try pushing Plone away from Archetypes widgets and towards zope3 widgets we will need a rich set of widgets to choose from to compensate (AT has some really nice widgets but the architecture is simply not compatible with z3) | 15:12 |
| rocky | we have a common repository location for people contributing widgets | 15:12 |
| rocky | so my plan/hope is that as we build these widgets for plone that can be used in regular zope3 as well | 15:13 |
| volvox | i tell you: widgets are something I would like to contribute | 15:14 |
| volvox | and I've mated with javascript before | 15:14 |
| volvox | but at the moment I'm still getting confidence with the framework | 15:14 |
| rocky | right | 15:14 |
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| flox | good afternoon | 15:23 |
| flox | an easy question... | 15:23 |
| flox | by default Zope3 instance is running on 'localhost' | 15:24 |
| flox | how i make it available to all network interfaces? | 15:24 |
| flox | i guess this is the <server> tag in 'zope.conf'.... but no documentation | 15:24 |
| rocky | flox: by default zope listens on all network interfaces | 15:25 |
| flox | nope | 15:25 |
| rocky | i could have swore | 15:25 |
| rocky | oh well | 15:25 |
| flox | zope 3.3.0beta1 ==> this is not the case | 15:25 |
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| flox | i install on 2 windows PC | 15:26 |
| rocky | that's never an issue for me as i *always* run zope behind apache in production where i might have these interfaces | 15:26 |
| flox | and i check the same | 15:26 |
| flox | first line in the log: | 15:26 |
| flox | 2006-06-23T01:37:07 INFO root -- HTTP:localhost:333 Server started. | 15:26 |
| J1m | flox is running on Windows | 15:27 |
| rocky | and i make apache listen on the devices as i need them to (by default apache2 listens on all devices, i know that for certain) | 15:27 |
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| flox | and there's no clue of "localhost" in the zope.conf | 15:27 |
| J1m | On Unix, omitting the hostname from the address causes all addresses to be listed on. | 15:27 |
| J1m | On Windows, only localhost. | 15:27 |
| flox | i see... | 15:28 |
| flox | but i do not have any fix... | 15:28 |
| flox | i can put address '*:8080' | 15:28 |
| J1m | In the address option, include the IP address you want to listen on. | 15:28 |
| flox | or '0.0.0.0:8080' ... maybe | 15:28 |
| J1m | foo:8080 | 15:28 |
| J1m | I don't know if there is a way to spell all interfaces. | 15:29 |
| J1m | Ask someone who uses windows. :) | 15:29 |
| J1m | But you can use the ip address or hostname explicitly. | 15:29 |
| flox | i will check by myself, if nobody use Windows | 15:29 |
| rocky | there are people that actually use windows? :) | 15:29 |
| J1m | Do you really *need* to listed to all interfaces? | 15:30 |
| flox | i need a 'portable' zope.conf, which can be use on any PC.. | 15:30 |
| flox | to build a custom installer for our project | 15:31 |
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| flox | i will experiment... | 15:32 |
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| J1m | If you are building a custom installer, perhaps the installer could determine the local ip address and provide it in the config. | 15:34 |
| flox | done | 15:40 |
| flox | this line works: | 15:40 |
| flox | address 0.0.0.0:$ZOPE_HTTPSERVER_PORT | 15:40 |
| flox | maybe we could add this to some usefull place, for future Windows users | 15:41 |
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| J1m | If nothing else, a comment in zope.conf.in woould be a good start. | 16:05 |
| J1m | I wonder how z2 handles this. | 16:05 |
| J1m | I suppose too that the zconfig handler could do this too. | 16:06 |
| J1m | If it detects that the platform is windows. | 16:06 |
| J1m | flox, are you a contributor? :) | 16:06 |
| flox | Zope2.8.6 broadcast on all network interfaces | 16:06 |
| flox | on Windows | 16:06 |
| J1m | You mean listens. | 16:07 |
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| J1m | I wonder how *it* accomplishes that. | 16:07 |
| flox | s/broadcast/listen/ | 16:07 |
| flox | J1m: u're right... but i'm not a contributor AFAIK | 16:07 |
| flox | J1M: maybe in the future | 16:07 |
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| J1m | afaik? You don't know if you submitter a contributor agreement? :) | 16:08 |
| flox | J1m: today, i am learning the component architecture of Z3... | 16:08 |
| flox | J1m: not a contributor at all... | 16:09 |
| flox | J1m: to become a contributor, i hv to submit a paper agreement? | 16:09 |
| J1m | yes, which you can also submit by gax or by emailing a scanned copy to me. | 16:10 |
| flox | i guess i hv to visit dev.zope.org for further information | 16:10 |
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| J1m | http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Subversion/Contributor.pdf | 16:13 |
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| mgedmin | the zconfig handler is responsible for making 'listen 8080' bind only to localhost on Windows, iirc | 16:16 |
| flox | J1m: thks | 16:16 |
| J1m | mgedmin, I assume that that is by omission, rather than intent. | 16:17 |
| J1m | There's actually a collector issue on this topic, so I think there is interest in a fix, if not much energy. | 16:17 |
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| mgedmin | it explicitly checks os.platform and sets the hostname part to 'localhost' on windows, but leaves it as an empty string on linux | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | well, everywhere else, not just linux | 16:23 |
| * mgedmin has no idea why it does that | 16:23 | |
| mgedmin | see src/ZConfig/datatypes.py | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | if sys.platform[:3] == "win": | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | DEFAULT_HOST = "localhost" | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | else: | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | DEFAULT_HOST = "" | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't look to be an omission to me | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | unless "" would not work on windows | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | hm... then it does inet_address = InetAddress(DEFAULT_HOST) and inet_binding_address = InetAddress("") | 16:24 |
| * mgedmin does not understand that code | 16:24 | |
| mgedmin | there's a datatype "inet-address" that uses DEFAULT_HOST, and a different datatype "inet-binding-address" that always binds to all interfaces | 16:24 |
| J1m | OK, I have no idea what's going on thre then. :( | 16:25 |
| rocky | does anyone here happen to know the CVSROOT for accessing cvs content from plope.com ? (chris mcdonough's cvs repo) | 16:25 |
| J1m | Who does svn credit for this code? | 16:25 |
| rocky | i can't for the life of me track this down | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | if the 'address' directive in zope.conf used the 'inet-binding-address' type, then I think it would work the same way on Windows as on other platforms | 16:27 |
| flox | IMO, to set it in on 'localhost' by default is a good thing | 16:28 |
| flox | bec at first, the zope.conf is configured for "development" | 16:28 |
| flox | hence the 'devmode on' at the end of the zope.conf | 16:29 |
| flox | to add a comment assuming this is for "security reason" that server is bind to localhost is enough | 16:30 |
| flox | then a line to explain how to bind it to all interfaces | 16:30 |
| flox | since a lot of users are "newbies" when they install Zope for the first time, it is good thing to let the default configuration "as-is" (ie: on 127.0.0.1) | 16:33 |
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| ignas | is there a way to deal with MessageID objects in Data.fs ? | 16:43 |
| ignas | i can't do anything with evolution scripts as they fail while loading the object | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | flox: +1, but then zope should bind to localhost on all platforms by default, not just Windows | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | I'm +1 for changing zope.conf.in to explicitly spell out 'localhost:' | 16:48 |
| flox | mgedmin: some other well-known packages do the same... to bind on 127.0.0.1 by default | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | I'm also +0.5 for getting rid of platform specific behaviour when the network interface is not explicitly specified | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | what's the issue number in the tracker? | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | ignas: is the problem that MessageID cannot be imported because it no longer exists? | 16:50 |
| flox | mgedmin: for example EasyPHP, a LAMP installer for windows | 16:51 |
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| ignas | mgedmin: indeed, guess it was BBB back then and we can't support evolution from revisions too old for Zope3 to handle | 16:52 |
| mgedmin | ignas: I suggest monkey-patching for the duration of the evolution script | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | flox: I think it is a very good idea to bind to 127.0.0.1 for production servers, and then have apache in front handling ssl/virtual hosting | 16:53 |
| ignas | mgedmin: not sure that we do care about migration from 0.10 to 2006 ;) there were like 4 releases after 0.10 if someone managed to skip them - it's his fault ;) | 16:56 |
| flox | mgedmin: we use Zope on intranet, no Apache. i will consider installing Apache... | 16:59 |
| flox | mgedmin: moreover, the VHM is dropped in Zope3... another reason to use Apache | 17:00 |
| edgordon | how is that another reason to use apache? isn't vhm for use w/ apache? | 17:03 |
| flox | u can use vhm without apache in Zope2... | 17:05 |
| flox | this is weird... | 17:06 |
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| MacYET | morning | 17:06 |
| flox | for example u serve /subproject/ folder when u call http://mysite/ and u serve the root / when u call by IP address... | 17:07 |
| edgordon | what does z3 replace vhm w/? | 17:08 |
| philiKON | moin MacYET | 17:08 |
| flox | edgordon: u can do virtual hosting in Zope3, but support for VHM is dropped | 17:09 |
| flox | edgordon: in Zope3 u hv to install Apache to use Virtual Hosting | 17:10 |
| flox | mgedmin: factly, Zope3 does 'url rewriting'. Apache does ''virtual hoting' | 17:12 |
| flox | last remark was targeted to edgordon... sorry | 17:13 |
| edgordon | virtual hoting sounds awesome | 17:15 |
| edgordon | j/k | 17:15 |
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| MacYET | moin | 17:16 |
| MacYET | any news from the zope 3.3b2 front? | 17:17 |
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| flox | edgordon: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/Zope3Book/virtualhosting.html | 17:18 |
| edgordon | thanks, i was just about to ask for some docs | 17:18 |
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| flox | np | 17:19 |
| benji | MacYET, don't know, but the bug day (and days thereafter) were very productive, so I'd assume b2 is forthcoming | 17:26 |
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| ignas | i am all for intelligent design over any kind of evolution scripts! | 17:59 |
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| philiKON | MacYET, we should have a zope 2.10b2 shortly after 3.3b2 (or together with it) | 18:04 |
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| MacYET | sure :) | 18:09 |
| MacYET | that's why an grouching :) | 18:09 |
| MacYET | why i am .. | 18:10 |
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| MacYET | two and i'll stop | 18:10 |
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| philiKON | give 'em your little finger and they want the whole hand... | 18:10 |
| MacYET | typical troll behavior | 18:11 |
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| benji | nice, MacYET has been cryogenically preserved until b2 is released, he'll be so happy | 18:46 |
| MacYET | evil world | 18:46 |
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